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On February 23 2011 06:24 CoR wrote:20-25$ for a season ? a gsl season cost like 9,99 ? i think it should be like max 19.99$  then all fine  (as long as it includes high quality vods because i wont be able to watch it live)
there will be a restream for europe. so if you are lucky you could actually watch it live, which means
not live but for free :p
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On February 23 2011 06:20 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 06:18 stephiso wrote:On February 23 2011 03:29 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On February 23 2011 03:27 stephiso wrote:
I'm curious to know why IdrA forfeitted for the GSL March since NASL only starts on April 11th? Any body knows why?
He didn't forfeit in the GSL because of a conflict with the NASL. He forfeited because he's leaving Korea. Why doesn't he leave Korea later? NASL only starts on April 11th, that's what I'm asking. He is already qualified in code S anyways, might as well give it a shot (yesterday he was supposed to play)...and go home if he did not make it through It's pretty unprofessional not to appear too.
To be fair, he notified GOMtv far in advance that he wasn't going to be participating in this season's GSL. They wanted his spot to remain anyway. Listen to that week's SOTG if you're unclear on the details.
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pretty excited for this league. Love the idea of offline finals and the groupstage plays. I guess they'll keep on announcing more details regarding prize distribution, sponsors, format, confirmed players, etc. This could be quite a hassle as you need to verify you would need to be able to get US Visa.. I know that some players always get screwed over due to visa issues in WCGs. I think Brat_OK is a prime example (forgive me if he has a US Visa..)
The title "North American Star League" is slightly misleading though as it seems it's more like NA-EU starleague with some Koreans. (Basically global).
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On February 23 2011 06:20 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 06:18 stephiso wrote:On February 23 2011 03:29 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On February 23 2011 03:27 stephiso wrote:
I'm curious to know why IdrA forfeitted for the GSL March since NASL only starts on April 11th? Any body knows why?
He didn't forfeit in the GSL because of a conflict with the NASL. He forfeited because he's leaving Korea. Why doesn't he leave Korea later? NASL only starts on April 11th, that's what I'm asking. He is already qualified in code S anyways, might as well give it a shot (yesterday he was supposed to play)...and go home if he did not make it through It's pretty unprofessional not to appear too.
he told them a while ago that he wasn't participating. He is playing in the IEM World Championship starting on March 1.
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Excited for this!
Also, wow @ number of votes already! TLO has 12k as of now.
This can and should be really awesome!
(please hire graphic designers to up the graphical design (and put in the in-game timer and health bars))
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This is an awesome start to eSports. I would like to see it eventually grow to where you can compete in the qualifiers somewhere close to home and then travel somewhere for the finals.
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I love the fact that this is a live cast!!! It makes the games better (imo), and I like the casters, will tune in to see.
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On February 23 2011 06:18 goldengold wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 06:14 Keitzer wrote:
What is considered a team?
Like... what are the requirements to be a "team"?
for example, can i get a few of my buddies to say "ya, we are a part of blah-blah-blah, and wish to apply for NASL?"
or is it something like getting a team manager, sponsor, etc? I'm pretty sure a 'team' needs to have players that have regularly participated in tournaments, online and offline, and obviously shown some sort of good results.
hmm
i think i'll have to PM iNcontroL, Diggity, Gretorp, etc, to ask "what is a team" because if it's easy to make one, i'm signing up...
because that's the main difference between GSL and NASL (besides money) is that you can't just freely sign up
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On February 23 2011 06:27 aderum wrote:
Again, the price is for 10 weeks, the gsl is 4 weeks. You guys who complaine do the math.
AGAIN, those of us who complain don't give a shit how many games there are, or for how long it goes on. It's about charging to see players that are dog shit compared to Code S participants. There might be many more games, but nobody cares to watch the battle for 6th place in a group stage among players that couldn't qualify for code B in Korea.
If you want an e-sport to grow, this is by far the worst way to go about it. The only people who will pay for this are TL fanboys. Enjoy your tournament, losers! I'm sure you're going to love your $20 investment as you're watching people 1a-click armies into each other.
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On February 22 2011 10:48 Karthane wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 10:46 Brad wrote:On February 22 2011 10:42 Karthane wrote:
I'm still a little baffled. Where the hell are they getting 400,000 dollars?? The owner of Coaching, Russ, he is the mastermind. This is his baby. He partnered with a USC law school graduate named Duncan who's kind of an eSports newbie, he saw a nice business venture and he's excited and learning more about eSports and they backed it and created it. So basically these guys has 400k sitting around to drop on a Starcraft 2 tournament?
Sounds like it to me. Want to open a store? Go to bank, get a loan, hope you don't fuck up and make it back and then some. Replace store with league. Seems kind of overkill considering it's not that hard to get the best players to play in your tournament. Even then it's on an invite basis, right? I guess they want to build up prestige/reputation for their league. This is the prize pool this doesn't even count their own expenses in doing this.
It's an awful lot of content. I have difficulty following GSL, I often just view certain match ups or players up until the semis. I think it would be helpful to focus the attention of the casual viewer with like hightlights or something.
One thing I think would be cool in the future is put the VODs up for download on iTunes or something. I don't want a streaming app for a phone. I don't have or want anything like that. I guess their are issues with piracy if you can DL it like the issue with replays. Perhaps make them available after the seasons over like an archive feature? I dunno. I sure would like an easier way to put SC2 matches on my media player when I'm at the gym just grinding away on a treadmill or something.
On February 23 2011 06:33 stalife wrote:
pretty excited for this league. Love the idea of offline finals and the groupstage plays. I guess they'll keep on announcing more details regarding prize distribution, sponsors, format, confirmed players, etc. This could be quite a hassle as you need to verify you would need to be able to get US Visa.. I know that some players always get screwed over due to visa issues in WCGs. I think Brat_OK is a prime example (forgive me if he has a US Visa..)
The title "North American Star League" is slightly misleading though as it seems it's more like NA-EU starleague with some Koreans. (Basically global).
Kind of. One of the requirements is that it's played on the NA server and finals played in NA.
I mean look at GSL. They call themselves global, but it's difficult to stay out there for non-Koreans especially with the lack of financial security. At least IEM holds local tournaments for each region and then has the top finishers from those go to a big global final. I think e-sports tournaments are wanting to grow too big too fast. Even physical sports don't hold worldwide tournaments that often (or at all) because it's really unfeasible for the players and the organization. Sure, it's online, with 1 live event, but lag is still an issue (as well as cheating). And a lot players go to these events at a loss.
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On February 22 2011 10:32 tok wrote:
I hope it's not another GSL. I will admit I am looking forward to it, mlg has been real boring lately and GSTL was a bit of a snoozefest.
I have one question for you. Did you watch the same GSTL the rest of us did?
On another note this is massive news for e-sports in NA and in general. Thanks for putting all this info together OP.
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I feel like anyone who is complaining about the $20 cost who is either a) still in high school or b) in undergrad and has no income. I totally understand what it's like when you don't have a job, but if you're in these categories why are you even talking about money/the lack of value you're getting for $20?
Anyone who has any actual income and has any spare money isn't going to complain about how $20 every 3 months is breaking the bank and not giving them value for their money. It's extremely inexpensive to support the biggest thing ever in western E-sports.
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On February 23 2011 07:46 PJA wrote:
I feel like anyone who is complaining about the $20 cost who is either a) still in high school or b) in undergrad and has no income. I totally understand what it's like when you don't have a job, but if you're in these categories why are you even talking about money/the lack of value you're getting for $20?
Anyone who has any actual income and has any spare money isn't going to complain about how $20 every 3 months is breaking the bank and not giving them value for their money. It's extremely inexpensive to support the biggest thing ever in western E-sports.
Or C: They are being very frugal with their $ after a worldwide economic recession, call them crazy...
Of course I am buying a NASL ticket, but I understand the concerns, especially after last night's disaster.
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On February 23 2011 06:29 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 06:20 infinity2k9 wrote:On February 23 2011 06:18 stephiso wrote:On February 23 2011 03:29 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On February 23 2011 03:27 stephiso wrote:
I'm curious to know why IdrA forfeitted for the GSL March since NASL only starts on April 11th? Any body knows why?
He didn't forfeit in the GSL because of a conflict with the NASL. He forfeited because he's leaving Korea. Why doesn't he leave Korea later? NASL only starts on April 11th, that's what I'm asking. He is already qualified in code S anyways, might as well give it a shot (yesterday he was supposed to play)...and go home if he did not make it through It's pretty unprofessional not to appear too. To be fair, he notified GOMtv far in advance that he wasn't going to be participating in this season's GSL. They wanted his spot to remain anyway. Listen to that week's SOTG if you're unclear on the details.
And they just didn't fill the slot? Weird.
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On February 23 2011 07:49 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 07:46 PJA wrote:
I feel like anyone who is complaining about the $20 cost who is either a) still in high school or b) in undergrad and has no income. I totally understand what it's like when you don't have a job, but if you're in these categories why are you even talking about money/the lack of value you're getting for $20?
Anyone who has any actual income and has any spare money isn't going to complain about how $20 every 3 months is breaking the bank and not giving them value for their money. It's extremely inexpensive to support the biggest thing ever in western E-sports. Or C: They are being very frugal with their $ after a worldwide economic recession, call them crazy... Of course I am buying a NASL ticket, but I understand the concerns, especially after last night's disaster.
Okay, so eat a peanut butter sandwich for lunch for 2 weeks instead of buying deli meat. Problem solved. If people claim to support e-sports but are crying about $20 every 3 months they're being facetious about their support at best.
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On February 23 2011 07:52 PJA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 07:49 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On February 23 2011 07:46 PJA wrote:
I feel like anyone who is complaining about the $20 cost who is either a) still in high school or b) in undergrad and has no income. I totally understand what it's like when you don't have a job, but if you're in these categories why are you even talking about money/the lack of value you're getting for $20?
Anyone who has any actual income and has any spare money isn't going to complain about how $20 every 3 months is breaking the bank and not giving them value for their money. It's extremely inexpensive to support the biggest thing ever in western E-sports. Or C: They are being very frugal with their $ after a worldwide economic recession, call them crazy... Of course I am buying a NASL ticket, but I understand the concerns, especially after last night's disaster. Okay, so eat a peanut butter sandwich for lunch for 2 weeks instead of buying deli meat. Problem solved. If people claim to support e-sports but are crying about $20 every 3 months they're being facetious about their support at best.
I know if it came between supporting esports by buying premium tickets, or changing my lifestyle, esports would be gone SO fast as would be the same with most people. People should not just buy shit because they are "supporting esports" but because it's something they want and they feel it is worth the $.
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On February 23 2011 07:49 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 07:46 PJA wrote:
I feel like anyone who is complaining about the $20 cost who is either a) still in high school or b) in undergrad and has no income. I totally understand what it's like when you don't have a job, but if you're in these categories why are you even talking about money/the lack of value you're getting for $20?
Anyone who has any actual income and has any spare money isn't going to complain about how $20 every 3 months is breaking the bank and not giving them value for their money. It's extremely inexpensive to support the biggest thing ever in western E-sports. Or C: They are being very frugal with their $ after a worldwide economic recession, call them crazy... Of course I am buying a NASL ticket, but I understand the concerns, especially after last night's disaster.
I understand the concerns after last night - obviously that cast was not up to pay-for-it quality standards. That, though, is easily dealt with by the free stream. I for one will certainly be watching that once or twice before paying for anything to see what the quality really is.
I don't understand the people complaining that $20 is too high even if it's done well. It's extremely low for the amount of content. I assume some of these people sometimes go to a movie...
I might not pay for it, but only because the free stream is better as an alternative than GOM's because of the more convenient time. The idea that $20 is a ripoff is just insane.
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On February 23 2011 07:52 PJA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 07:49 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On February 23 2011 07:46 PJA wrote:
I feel like anyone who is complaining about the $20 cost who is either a) still in high school or b) in undergrad and has no income. I totally understand what it's like when you don't have a job, but if you're in these categories why are you even talking about money/the lack of value you're getting for $20?
Anyone who has any actual income and has any spare money isn't going to complain about how $20 every 3 months is breaking the bank and not giving them value for their money. It's extremely inexpensive to support the biggest thing ever in western E-sports. Or C: They are being very frugal with their $ after a worldwide economic recession, call them crazy... Of course I am buying a NASL ticket, but I understand the concerns, especially after last night's disaster. Okay, so eat a peanut butter sandwich for lunch for 2 weeks instead of buying deli meat. Problem solved. If people claim to support e-sports but are crying about $20 every 3 months they're being facetious about their support at best.
The thing is, surely the goal of this is to make SC2 in NA bigger, but with a subscription it's really only going to appeal to people already interested in eSports. You can say it's only $20 but that's a lot to most people to simply watch people play videogames. Bit different from BW which was people just changing to a channel on TV or having the ability to go to the venue live for free.
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On February 23 2011 07:57 aristarchus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 07:49 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On February 23 2011 07:46 PJA wrote:
I feel like anyone who is complaining about the $20 cost who is either a) still in high school or b) in undergrad and has no income. I totally understand what it's like when you don't have a job, but if you're in these categories why are you even talking about money/the lack of value you're getting for $20?
Anyone who has any actual income and has any spare money isn't going to complain about how $20 every 3 months is breaking the bank and not giving them value for their money. It's extremely inexpensive to support the biggest thing ever in western E-sports. Or C: They are being very frugal with their $ after a worldwide economic recession, call them crazy... Of course I am buying a NASL ticket, but I understand the concerns, especially after last night's disaster. I understand the concerns after last night - obviously that cast was not up to pay-for-it quality standards. That, though, is easily dealt with by the free stream. I for one will certainly be watching that once or twice before paying for anything to see what the quality really is. I don't understand the people complaining that $20 is too high even if it's done well. It's extremely low for the amount of content. I assume some of these people sometimes go to a movie... I might not pay for it, but only because the free stream is better as an alternative than GOM's because of the more convenient time. The idea that $20 is a ripoff is just insane.
It's for sure NOT a rip off, but for people on a limited budget (ie: most people) $20 is not somethign they can just throw out, also you have to consider that this is not the only pay SC2 stream.
Now if you get every paid stream for 2011 you will pay:
9 Months of GSL with ads: $90
9 Months of NASL: $60
6 MLG Streams: $60
6 or so IEM streams: $60
So you are talking $270 to support all of these streams. That's actually a lot of $ for most people, even if the content/$ ratio is very high. I know I only will end up buying GOM, MLG, and NASL streams, should I also buy the IEM streams to "support espots" even though I have little interest in most of the IEM's or just catch the free stream?
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On February 23 2011 07:52 PJA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 07:49 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On February 23 2011 07:46 PJA wrote:
I feel like anyone who is complaining about the $20 cost who is either a) still in high school or b) in undergrad and has no income. I totally understand what it's like when you don't have a job, but if you're in these categories why are you even talking about money/the lack of value you're getting for $20?
Anyone who has any actual income and has any spare money isn't going to complain about how $20 every 3 months is breaking the bank and not giving them value for their money. It's extremely inexpensive to support the biggest thing ever in western E-sports. Or C: They are being very frugal with their $ after a worldwide economic recession, call them crazy... Of course I am buying a NASL ticket, but I understand the concerns, especially after last night's disaster. Okay, so eat a peanut butter sandwich for lunch for 2 weeks instead of buying deli meat. Problem solved. If people claim to support e-sports but are crying about $20 every 3 months they're being facetious about their support at best.
see, thats the thing that pisses me off.
Why do ppl always compare it with food?
Lets say i use those 20euro/dollar on buying a game i will play for more then 100hour.
You can even get more with stuff like steam deals.
The thing is, we don't know how good it will be hence why quite a few ppl will prolly watch the first season or month for free and THEN buy.
To start complaining about ppl not wanting to use money on something we don't know if its worth only screams biassed as hell in my ears.
Note, i am not saying it will not be worth it, but some ppl are cautious.
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