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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
February 22 2011 23:19 GMT
#801
Another valid reason for not buying the ticket (probably will, but w/e) is that your internet can't support the higher quality stream, as may or may not be true for me. If SQ is 480p, that's the max my web can handle, so no reason to get premium.
ZeroPageX
Profile Joined January 2011
United States12 Posts
February 22 2011 23:20 GMT
#802
I'm super excited! The prize pool is sure to attract any player they invite. Geoff has shown he can cast very well, and Gretorp works really well with him. I like making the players accountable. Being late to games seems like the norm right now. It seems like a ton of thought went into this league. I'm really looking forward to it! Although with all the games being broadcast, I will have to be pickier about what I watch.

I do worry about Justin.tv bandwidth though. I have never not had problems with HD streaming sites even with my 20 mbps cable connection and a beastly computer. I even missed out on the Blizzcon HD stream, because they couldn't handle the load. I hope the A/V syncing issue is resolved soon too. The showmatch, the last few EG Master's Cups, and the recent Kings of Tin shows all had it.

I do believe they are taking the NASL seriously as there is a lot of money, passion, and hair whipping being invested, so I have faith. Good luck guys! I'll be tuning in!
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 23:22:43
February 22 2011 23:22 GMT
#803
On February 23 2011 08:19 Froadac wrote:
Another valid reason for not buying the ticket (probably will, but w/e) is that your internet can't support the higher quality stream, as may or may not be true for me. If SQ is 480p, that's the max my web can handle, so no reason to get premium.


Wow good point I did not think about this, I can't watch Justin in anything over 480p and I'm in the US with a 20 meg download internet. Hmhmhmhmhm. might not be worth my $20 if I can't use the HQ and I won't need the VOD's. Move me from the "buying a ticket for sure" to the "maybe if i can get Justin to work I'll buy it" category with that.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 23:25:57
February 22 2011 23:24 GMT
#804
It's been brought up a number of times in the thread already, but I as well have to voice my dislike of the 5 players per team rule.

It literally means NASL will select worse players over better players, which is a weird decision to make considering their ambitions and money that's put into it.

Jinro, Huk, Tyler, Ret, TLO, Haypro - assuming for the sake of argument that they would all want to participate, remove just one name from the list and you will have a worse tournament lineup than you would have otherwise. Why?
Desti
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany138 Posts
February 22 2011 23:25 GMT
#805
On February 23 2011 08:02 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 07:57 aristarchus wrote:
On February 23 2011 07:49 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
On February 23 2011 07:46 PJA wrote:
I feel like anyone who is complaining about the $20 cost who is either a) still in high school or b) in undergrad and has no income. I totally understand what it's like when you don't have a job, but if you're in these categories why are you even talking about money/the lack of value you're getting for $20?

Anyone who has any actual income and has any spare money isn't going to complain about how $20 every 3 months is breaking the bank and not giving them value for their money. It's extremely inexpensive to support the biggest thing ever in western E-sports.


Or C: They are being very frugal with their $ after a worldwide economic recession, call them crazy...

Of course I am buying a NASL ticket, but I understand the concerns, especially after last night's disaster.


I understand the concerns after last night - obviously that cast was not up to pay-for-it quality standards. That, though, is easily dealt with by the free stream. I for one will certainly be watching that once or twice before paying for anything to see what the quality really is.

I don't understand the people complaining that $20 is too high even if it's done well. It's extremely low for the amount of content. I assume some of these people sometimes go to a movie...

I might not pay for it, but only because the free stream is better as an alternative than GOM's because of the more convenient time. The idea that $20 is a ripoff is just insane.


It's for sure NOT a rip off, but for people on a limited budget (ie: most people) $20 is not somethign they can just throw out, also you have to consider that this is not the only pay SC2 stream.

Now if you get every paid stream for 2011 you will pay:

9 Months of GSL with ads: $90
9 Months of NASL: $60
6 MLG Streams: $60
6 or so IEM streams: $60

So you are talking $270 to support all of these streams. That's actually a lot of $ for most people, even if the content/$ ratio is very high. I know I only will end up buying GOM, MLG, and NASL streams, should I also buy the IEM streams to "support espots" even though I have little interest in most of the IEM's or just catch the free stream?


There is ESLTV Premium for 30€/year too ~ (+additional fees for special events like the upcoming CEBIT tournaments)
iSTime
Profile Joined November 2006
1579 Posts
February 22 2011 23:29 GMT
#806
On February 23 2011 08:18 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 07:52 PJA wrote:
On February 23 2011 07:49 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
On February 23 2011 07:46 PJA wrote:
I feel like anyone who is complaining about the $20 cost who is either a) still in high school or b) in undergrad and has no income. I totally understand what it's like when you don't have a job, but if you're in these categories why are you even talking about money/the lack of value you're getting for $20?

Anyone who has any actual income and has any spare money isn't going to complain about how $20 every 3 months is breaking the bank and not giving them value for their money. It's extremely inexpensive to support the biggest thing ever in western E-sports.


Or C: They are being very frugal with their $ after a worldwide economic recession, call them crazy...

Of course I am buying a NASL ticket, but I understand the concerns, especially after last night's disaster.


Okay, so eat a peanut butter sandwich for lunch for 2 weeks instead of buying deli meat. Problem solved. If people claim to support e-sports but are crying about $20 every 3 months they're being facetious about their support at best.

see, thats the thing that pisses me off.
Why do ppl always compare it with food?
Lets say i use those 20euro/dollar on buying a game i will play for more then 100hour.
You can even get more with stuff like steam deals.
The thing is, we don't know how good it will be hence why quite a few ppl will prolly watch the first season or month for free and THEN buy.
To start complaining about ppl not wanting to use money on something we don't know if its worth only screams biassed as hell in my ears.
Note, i am not saying it will not be worth it, but some ppl are cautious.


I'm not comparing it with food per se. I'm saying that there are probably at least 10-20 ways for someone to cut $20 over 3 months out of their budget without it being a big deal. I was merely giving one example. If you really value your lunch so much, you can just not go to a bar once. That will probably cover 3-6 months of this by itself.

Clearly there are plenty of reasons not to pay for the stream, and I'm not saying everyone should go buy the stream, as you seem to think I am saying. I'm just saying that people complaining about $20 are being ridiculous.
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Keitzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2509 Posts
February 22 2011 23:31 GMT
#807
On February 23 2011 08:22 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 08:19 Froadac wrote:
Another valid reason for not buying the ticket (probably will, but w/e) is that your internet can't support the higher quality stream, as may or may not be true for me. If SQ is 480p, that's the max my web can handle, so no reason to get premium.


Wow good point I did not think about this, I can't watch Justin in anything over 480p and I'm in the US with a 20 meg download internet. Hmhmhmhmhm. might not be worth my $20 if I can't use the HQ and I won't need the VOD's. Move me from the "buying a ticket for sure" to the "maybe if i can get Justin to work I'll buy it" category with that.


what?

i can view 720p in NA just fine, and i have less than that in DL (i think it's around 15mb)
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Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
February 22 2011 23:33 GMT
#808
On February 23 2011 08:31 Keitzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 08:22 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
On February 23 2011 08:19 Froadac wrote:
Another valid reason for not buying the ticket (probably will, but w/e) is that your internet can't support the higher quality stream, as may or may not be true for me. If SQ is 480p, that's the max my web can handle, so no reason to get premium.


Wow good point I did not think about this, I can't watch Justin in anything over 480p and I'm in the US with a 20 meg download internet. Hmhmhmhmhm. might not be worth my $20 if I can't use the HQ and I won't need the VOD's. Move me from the "buying a ticket for sure" to the "maybe if i can get Justin to work I'll buy it" category with that.


what?

i can view 720p in NA just fine, and i have less than that in DL (i think it's around 15mb)


I cannot and almost never have been able to. Yet I can watch streams on Livestream, Ustream, GOM, and own3d with no issues. But Justin just freezes after about 2 seconds on anything higher then 480p. I had to watch one of the GCPL's in 240p ffs.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
durbarak
Profile Joined April 2010
Austria54 Posts
February 22 2011 23:43 GMT
#809
On February 23 2011 08:25 Desti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 08:02 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
On February 23 2011 07:57 aristarchus wrote:
On February 23 2011 07:49 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
On February 23 2011 07:46 PJA wrote:
I feel like anyone who is complaining about the $20 cost who is either a) still in high school or b) in undergrad and has no income. I totally understand what it's like when you don't have a job, but if you're in these categories why are you even talking about money/the lack of value you're getting for $20?

Anyone who has any actual income and has any spare money isn't going to complain about how $20 every 3 months is breaking the bank and not giving them value for their money. It's extremely inexpensive to support the biggest thing ever in western E-sports.


Or C: They are being very frugal with their $ after a worldwide economic recession, call them crazy...

Of course I am buying a NASL ticket, but I understand the concerns, especially after last night's disaster.


I understand the concerns after last night - obviously that cast was not up to pay-for-it quality standards. That, though, is easily dealt with by the free stream. I for one will certainly be watching that once or twice before paying for anything to see what the quality really is.

I don't understand the people complaining that $20 is too high even if it's done well. It's extremely low for the amount of content. I assume some of these people sometimes go to a movie...

I might not pay for it, but only because the free stream is better as an alternative than GOM's because of the more convenient time. The idea that $20 is a ripoff is just insane.


It's for sure NOT a rip off, but for people on a limited budget (ie: most people) $20 is not somethign they can just throw out, also you have to consider that this is not the only pay SC2 stream.

Now if you get every paid stream for 2011 you will pay:

9 Months of GSL with ads: $90
9 Months of NASL: $60
6 MLG Streams: $60
6 or so IEM streams: $60

So you are talking $270 to support all of these streams. That's actually a lot of $ for most people, even if the content/$ ratio is very high. I know I only will end up buying GOM, MLG, and NASL streams, should I also buy the IEM streams to "support espots" even though I have little interest in most of the IEM's or just catch the free stream?


There is ESLTV Premium for 30€/year too ~ (+additional fees for special events like the upcoming CEBIT tournaments)


There are no additional fees. Subscribers already have access to the premium stream. They do not have to buy the event package.
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DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
February 22 2011 23:51 GMT
#810
I have the same problem with Justin. Freezes constantly even though I have 30 mb dl. No problem with other streams.
tarath
Profile Joined April 2009
United States377 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 23:59:56
February 22 2011 23:58 GMT
#811
On February 23 2011 08:31 Keitzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 08:22 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
On February 23 2011 08:19 Froadac wrote:
Another valid reason for not buying the ticket (probably will, but w/e) is that your internet can't support the higher quality stream, as may or may not be true for me. If SQ is 480p, that's the max my web can handle, so no reason to get premium.


Wow good point I did not think about this, I can't watch Justin in anything over 480p and I'm in the US with a 20 meg download internet. Hmhmhmhmhm. might not be worth my $20 if I can't use the HQ and I won't need the VOD's. Move me from the "buying a ticket for sure" to the "maybe if i can get Justin to work I'll buy it" category with that.


what?

i can view 720p in NA just fine, and i have less than that in DL (i think it's around 15mb)


Same, I can always watch the HQ from NA without problems.

I watch the VoDs cause staying up until 5am every night doesn't fit my schedule so maybe with the stream its different? idk.
LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
February 22 2011 23:59 GMT
#812
On February 23 2011 08:33 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 08:31 Keitzer wrote:
On February 23 2011 08:22 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
On February 23 2011 08:19 Froadac wrote:
Another valid reason for not buying the ticket (probably will, but w/e) is that your internet can't support the higher quality stream, as may or may not be true for me. If SQ is 480p, that's the max my web can handle, so no reason to get premium.


Wow good point I did not think about this, I can't watch Justin in anything over 480p and I'm in the US with a 20 meg download internet. Hmhmhmhmhm. might not be worth my $20 if I can't use the HQ and I won't need the VOD's. Move me from the "buying a ticket for sure" to the "maybe if i can get Justin to work I'll buy it" category with that.


what?

i can view 720p in NA just fine, and i have less than that in DL (i think it's around 15mb)


I cannot and almost never have been able to. Yet I can watch streams on Livestream, Ustream, GOM, and own3d with no issues. But Justin just freezes after about 2 seconds on anything higher then 480p. I had to watch one of the GCPL's in 240p ffs.

It's probably an issue with your computer. I can watch 1080p streams perfectly on my main rig while my netbook can't handle anything higher than 360p, on the same internet connection.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
February 23 2011 00:01 GMT
#813
On February 23 2011 08:24 Talin wrote:
It's been brought up a number of times in the thread already, but I as well have to voice my dislike of the 5 players per team rule.

It literally means NASL will select worse players over better players, which is a weird decision to make considering their ambitions and money that's put into it.

Jinro, Huk, Tyler, Ret, TLO, Haypro - assuming for the sake of argument that they would all want to participate, remove just one name from the list and you will have a worse tournament lineup than you would have otherwise. Why?


Again, that's how they do it in Halo
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
February 23 2011 00:02 GMT
#814
On February 23 2011 08:59 LoLAdriankat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 08:33 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
On February 23 2011 08:31 Keitzer wrote:
On February 23 2011 08:22 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
On February 23 2011 08:19 Froadac wrote:
Another valid reason for not buying the ticket (probably will, but w/e) is that your internet can't support the higher quality stream, as may or may not be true for me. If SQ is 480p, that's the max my web can handle, so no reason to get premium.


Wow good point I did not think about this, I can't watch Justin in anything over 480p and I'm in the US with a 20 meg download internet. Hmhmhmhmhm. might not be worth my $20 if I can't use the HQ and I won't need the VOD's. Move me from the "buying a ticket for sure" to the "maybe if i can get Justin to work I'll buy it" category with that.


what?

i can view 720p in NA just fine, and i have less than that in DL (i think it's around 15mb)


I cannot and almost never have been able to. Yet I can watch streams on Livestream, Ustream, GOM, and own3d with no issues. But Justin just freezes after about 2 seconds on anything higher then 480p. I had to watch one of the GCPL's in 240p ffs.

It's probably an issue with your computer. I can watch 1080p streams perfectly on my main rig while my netbook can't handle anything higher than 360p, on the same internet connection.


But I somehow can run 720p or higher on every other site I have ever been to? Ustream. own3d, GOM, MLG, Cnet, Gamespot, IGN, Youtube, etc all work great on the highest settings. I somehow do not think it's my computer...
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Utinni
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1196 Posts
February 23 2011 00:06 GMT
#815
Best comment from the g4tv interview.

"So, does the winner eventually get to face Xur, and the Kodan Armada?"

I loved that movie...
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BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 00:12:22
February 23 2011 00:07 GMT
#816
I think I am going to have to pick either this or GSL to follow. Tournaments like MLG are easy to watch, just 1 weekend. To follow GSL I have to spend several hours a day to watch all the games, I am now pretty much watching protoss only games. If I didn't want to play SC2, or league of legends anymore, and wanted to devote all of my free time to SC2 watching it would be fine. But I don't think I can practically devote 4-5 hours a day to just watching NASL and GSL. Is anyone else worried about this? It might not be as huge if people have to choose, and have to divide their time.. It might take away from all the hype and back story, I personally might have to stick to watching game vods and skipping around instead of watching all the back story and interviews etc that this league wants to do.


I'm going to for sure watch protoss matches that are recommended and of course, i'm going to try to attend the finals some time. My dad lives an hour out from Los Angeles, so that seems like a perfect excuse to come visit him, and go see some awesome top 16 action. Maybe not the first one since I'm moving to the east coast during June, and supposed to go to Walt Disney World in July, but I'll try to make it out there for one :D.


Also. say the over 5 members prevents team members from participating, what's preventing them from forming a new "overflow" team, a team for people that are not chosen as part of their 5? If they are a part of 2 separate teams and then just promote their teams sponsors, but not their team name during NASL? I don't like the "limit" on players. What if one team is formed with the absolute 10 best players in the world, no question. Your going to tell 5 of the top 10 they can't play so the 25th through 40th best players can?
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SichuanPanda
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1542 Posts
February 23 2011 00:12 GMT
#817
On February 23 2011 08:59 LoLAdriankat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 08:33 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
On February 23 2011 08:31 Keitzer wrote:
On February 23 2011 08:22 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
On February 23 2011 08:19 Froadac wrote:
Another valid reason for not buying the ticket (probably will, but w/e) is that your internet can't support the higher quality stream, as may or may not be true for me. If SQ is 480p, that's the max my web can handle, so no reason to get premium.


Wow good point I did not think about this, I can't watch Justin in anything over 480p and I'm in the US with a 20 meg download internet. Hmhmhmhmhm. might not be worth my $20 if I can't use the HQ and I won't need the VOD's. Move me from the "buying a ticket for sure" to the "maybe if i can get Justin to work I'll buy it" category with that.


what?

i can view 720p in NA just fine, and i have less than that in DL (i think it's around 15mb)


I cannot and almost never have been able to. Yet I can watch streams on Livestream, Ustream, GOM, and own3d with no issues. But Justin just freezes after about 2 seconds on anything higher then 480p. I had to watch one of the GCPL's in 240p ffs.

It's probably an issue with your computer. I can watch 1080p streams perfectly on my main rig while my netbook can't handle anything higher than 360p, on the same internet connection.


It's an issue with throttling service providers most likely.
i-bonjwa
Utinni
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1196 Posts
February 23 2011 00:12 GMT
#818
On February 23 2011 09:07 BraveGhost wrote:
I think I am going to have to pick either this or GSL to follow. Tournaments like MLG are easy to watch, just 1 weekend. To follow GSL I have to spend several hours a day to watch all the games, I am now pretty much watching protoss only games. If I didn't want to play SC2, or league of legends anymore, and wanted to devote all of my free time to SC2 watching it would be fine. But I don't think I can practically devote 4-5 hours a day to just watching NASL and GSL. Is anyone else worried about this? It might not be as huge if people have to choose, and have to divide their time.. It might take away from all the hype and back story, I personally might have to stick to watching game vods and skipping around instead of watching all the back story and interviews etc that this league wants to do.


I'm going to for sure watch protoss matches that are recommended and of course, i'm going to try to attend the finals some time. My dad lives an hour out from Los Angeles, so that seems like a perfect excuse to come visit him, and go see some awesome top 16 action. Maybe not the first one since I'm moving to the east coast during June, and supposed to go to Walt Disney World in July, but I'll try to make it out there for one :D.

Walt Disney was racist... You know who isn't? InControl (cuz any race he does not like... *SHARK MODE* and done.)
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Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
February 23 2011 00:14 GMT
#819
On February 23 2011 09:12 SichuanPanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 08:59 LoLAdriankat wrote:
On February 23 2011 08:33 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
On February 23 2011 08:31 Keitzer wrote:
On February 23 2011 08:22 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
On February 23 2011 08:19 Froadac wrote:
Another valid reason for not buying the ticket (probably will, but w/e) is that your internet can't support the higher quality stream, as may or may not be true for me. If SQ is 480p, that's the max my web can handle, so no reason to get premium.


Wow good point I did not think about this, I can't watch Justin in anything over 480p and I'm in the US with a 20 meg download internet. Hmhmhmhmhm. might not be worth my $20 if I can't use the HQ and I won't need the VOD's. Move me from the "buying a ticket for sure" to the "maybe if i can get Justin to work I'll buy it" category with that.


what?

i can view 720p in NA just fine, and i have less than that in DL (i think it's around 15mb)


I cannot and almost never have been able to. Yet I can watch streams on Livestream, Ustream, GOM, and own3d with no issues. But Justin just freezes after about 2 seconds on anything higher then 480p. I had to watch one of the GCPL's in 240p ffs.

It's probably an issue with your computer. I can watch 1080p streams perfectly on my main rig while my netbook can't handle anything higher than 360p, on the same internet connection.


It's an issue with throttling service providers most likely.


Nope my ISP does not throttle or have bandwidth caps. It's Justin.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
yakitate304
Profile Joined April 2009
United States655 Posts
February 23 2011 00:20 GMT
#820
I actually like the cap on players per team. In fact, with only 16 players, I wish it capped it even more. I know it means that a few well known players will be left out, but hopefully it should allow for even more players who can bring new ideas and play styles.

I will definitely be buying this subscription. The quality of play probably won't be as good as the GSL, but I'm down for the cause of investing in western SC2 events.
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