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HeroHenry
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1723 Posts
February 16 2011 18:35 GMT
#421
On February 17 2011 00:22 CoR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2011 16:46 canadianhockee wrote:
lololololol another terribad foreigner bites the dust. tlo went home in disgrace pretending his wrist was hurt rofl what a joke. select says he gonna play in gsl then cant even qualify then has to go back home and make up excuses. now idra realizes he never did jack squat in any gsl tourney and is only falling more behind. can't wait til jinro goes home with his tail behind his chin when his turtle terran style sit in base til 200 food strat gets passed by.

User was banned for this post.


sry but i hope that get u a permban ...

IDra is one of the 3 best zergs in the world and its a HUGE loss for the GSL

and Jinro for me is one of the 3-5 best terrans so he will succeed and he did 2 times top4 with even playing better then MKP last gsl so ... what are u talking about ...

i hope some of the A code foreigns go S code but yet i cant see anyone on the lvl of IDRA expect Jinro

ps: tlo was bad ? he qualify every GSL as no other foreign did and i think very less korean pros did ...

gl idra in us and try to flame less on ladder xD

He was playing better than MKP but he lost to mkp that makes sense.
kNightLite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States408 Posts
February 16 2011 18:36 GMT
#422
Aw man...and I was so looking forward to his hilarious GSL group.

I will admit that setting up Zenio and Clide to face MVP MC and July 2nd round is pretty hilarious too. But not nearly as drama-worthy.
grandkai
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada71 Posts
February 16 2011 18:38 GMT
#423
bring the leather gracket back to the us
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
February 16 2011 18:39 GMT
#424
Good luck Idra in US! Hopefully there's more opportunities to compete for money and less down time ^^
OminouS
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1343 Posts
February 16 2011 18:39 GMT
#425
Good Riddance...

Is a good song by Green Day. We all love you Idra, GL on home soil, even though I think you were doing good in GSL and should probably have stayed and kept trying.

Either way, best of luck.
On the 6th day JF made Reavers and on the 7th day JF put his opponent to rest
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 18:46:09
February 16 2011 18:44 GMT
#426
Kinda sad, after spending so many years over there it must be shameful to come back with nothing to show for. I know he made some good money over there, but not a single one out there plays purely for the money. His biggest successes were outside of Korea, so of course to monetize his training (props to his discipline btw) it is just natural to look into the foreigner events. I really hope it doesn't pull him down, he got really mad skillz over there and had tons of great experiences and that the lack of trophies and prizes isn't the only thing on his mind.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
February 16 2011 18:49 GMT
#427
This looks pretty bad in terms of e-sports in Korea, if one of the top Code-S players doesn't see the potential for success in Korea, why would other foreigners want to go to compete in code A?
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
IndieFinch
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States124 Posts
February 16 2011 18:51 GMT
#428
Overall it is probably a good move for IdrA. Sure Korea still has GSL being the top tournament, but honestly it would be rough playing in it. Practicing for a month then if you lose one round, you get to sit around for 4 weeks until you can try to play again. Where as right now in NA, there is a decent sized tournament every weekend plus show matches / team leagues...he could potentially be on big streams 4 or 5 days a week. Plus now IdrA can be back with more people in the US. Which would be good for him training wise and also just to be back with friends / family.

Good move IdrA, best of luck to ya man. Hope to see a lot more of you now rather then the few GSL matches a month.

citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
February 16 2011 18:57 GMT
#429
As a viewer I am saddened and wish he kept at it while he had code S status. As a personal decission I fully understand it. Good luck going forward idra.

In my mind this cements Liquid's status as THE foreign team in sc2.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
darth_hater
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada76 Posts
February 16 2011 19:01 GMT
#430
if only idra had picked terran, we wouldn't be having this discussion
1-LeeteR
Profile Joined August 2010
United States78 Posts
February 16 2011 19:04 GMT
#431
uh oh... he might wreck all the US tournies! D:
"i hate people who quote themselves" - me
reptile
Profile Joined July 2010
United States210 Posts
February 16 2011 19:13 GMT
#432
On February 17 2011 02:12 Rokusha wrote:
The thing is, as others have said, I feel the skill gap between Koreans and Westerners are going to increase if no one wants to go to the GSL to compete with the best. And furthermore, when these "Western" and "European" tournaments do kick off with larger prize pools and prestige, what do you think the Koreans are going to do? Sit back and just play GSL? Heck no! If they can fit it in, they will play in these supposedly booming competitions in the Western scene and dominate even more.

You're contradicting yourself. If huge tournaments start else where other than Korea, competition is going to grow. If the Koreans decide to come to the US to compete, good! That's only going to push foreigners and non-foreigners to get better and beat each other. Just because a handful of pro-players won't be going to Korea to compete in the GSL, doesn't mean that a magic gap between Western and Eastern players is going to show up. If anything, this gap is going to get smaller with new competitions booming in new areas.
"When the game is over, the King and the Pawn go back in the same box."
reptile
Profile Joined July 2010
United States210 Posts
February 16 2011 19:19 GMT
#433
On February 17 2011 02:32 Odoakar wrote:
Remembering Idra always complaining how NA doesn't have any good Zergs, it's going to be interesting to see how his ZvZ develops.

All in all, I don't think this is a good move, Korea will always be ahead of foreign scene in terms of skill and quantity of extremely good players.

And I don't want to be a party breaker, but if you look at the last GSL, Code A had such an awful players, the matches were barely watchable. I watched only a few of Code A matches, and maybe 70% of Code S.

And now we will have a NA scene, probably with some larger tournament/league, with lower overall skill of players and fewer excellent players. Between Korean league and NA, one I know which one I will be watching, what with my limited time for SC2 matches and all

It's this thought process which will keep Korea ahead. Starcraft2's pro scene is not strictly confined to Koreans, get over it. More and more foreign pro's are coming about, proving they can hang with the Koreans. A push to the pro scene in the western areas is only going to make the skill cap rise for foreigners. Don't forget that plenty of those "terrible Code A" players you couldn't bear to watch, were Korean. If you want to see other countries be able to compete with Korea, this is the kind of move that needs to happen.
"When the game is over, the King and the Pawn go back in the same box."
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
February 16 2011 19:23 GMT
#434
On February 17 2011 04:19 TRG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2011 02:32 Odoakar wrote:
Remembering Idra always complaining how NA doesn't have any good Zergs, it's going to be interesting to see how his ZvZ develops.

All in all, I don't think this is a good move, Korea will always be ahead of foreign scene in terms of skill and quantity of extremely good players.

And I don't want to be a party breaker, but if you look at the last GSL, Code A had such an awful players, the matches were barely watchable. I watched only a few of Code A matches, and maybe 70% of Code S.

And now we will have a NA scene, probably with some larger tournament/league, with lower overall skill of players and fewer excellent players. Between Korean league and NA, one I know which one I will be watching, what with my limited time for SC2 matches and all

It's this thought process which will keep Korea ahead. Starcraft2's pro scene is not strictly confined to Koreans, get over it. More and more foreign pro's are coming about, proving they can hang with the Koreans. A push to the pro scene in the western areas is only going to make the skill cap rise for foreigners. Don't forget that plenty of those "terrible Code A" players you couldn't bear to watch, were Korean. If you want to see other countries be able to compete with Korea, this is the kind of move that needs to happen.


To be the best, you have to compete with the best. Without the opportunity to compete with the top code s players, foreigners are not going to get the push they need to rise to the next level. Yes esports will boom in the west, but not within the same skill range as the east has.
The Notorious Winkles
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
February 16 2011 19:24 GMT
#435
so artosis has to find someone else for his imbalanced show :/
This is our town, scrub
trikshun
Profile Joined October 2010
United States437 Posts
February 16 2011 20:10 GMT
#436
On February 17 2011 04:24 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
so artosis has to find someone else for his imbalanced show :/

Its gonna be Grrr or Tasteless!
Well its up to FD and Nestea to win it for the swarm
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
February 16 2011 20:13 GMT
#437
On February 17 2011 05:10 trikshun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2011 04:24 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
so artosis has to find someone else for his imbalanced show :/

Its gonna be Grrr or Tasteless!
Well its up to FD and Nestea to win it for the swarm


Zergs don't come any better than Nestea...guy is seriously legit.
The Notorious Winkles
eddytlaw
Profile Joined November 2010
United States102 Posts
February 16 2011 20:26 GMT
#438
i'm so excited SWEEEEEEET
I fantasized about this back in Chicago.
Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
February 16 2011 20:29 GMT
#439
On February 16 2011 17:03 kash2k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2011 16:41 Manifesto7 wrote:
Let's see.

Option A) Stay in Korea with a ridiculously difficult tournament which you have to place in the top 2 to be really worth it. Be away from your friends / family / language / culture (already has been two years or more by now anyway). Be hindered in your ability to participate in far more numerous and less competitive tournaments.

Option B) Go back to your country of birth. Rejoin teammates. Have the freedom to fly around the world on the sponsor's dime. Have a much higher chance of winning. Give your sponsor better promotion. Keep reasonable hours. Enjoy eating natural cheese and drink beer that doesn't look like tap water.

He would be crazy to stay in Korea, especially when he isn't supported by a team or house there. The upcoming scene in the US will put the GSL to shame anyway.


Rofl...with this type of attitude we can just stop doing any type of competitive sport.

Sport is magical when you see people with passion and nothing else matters. As soon as it turn material things start going down. It is job of people around the "star" to make sure he stays in that "passion" mode for as long as possible.

Option A makes Champions, Option B makes those guys on a bench.


amen.
you don't see epic games that last a lifetime between players of VAST skill difference, but games that include two ridiculously skilled players fighting with all they've got... that is a champion.

idra.... another draco? i wonder if he will win any big tournaments... WCG, TSL, etc etc... he hasn't won one yet right?
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10363 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 20:40:08
February 16 2011 20:36 GMT
#440
aww o well he can win a lot of money here too!

and anyways he's still young and i'm sure hes not even thinking about giving up eSports, so we'll likely see him move back to Korea at some point

Edit:
He was playing better than MKP but he lost to mkp that makes sense.


Yes, it does make sense because in order to play better than someone does not mean you have to have had beaten that person at that point in time.
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
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