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Apollonius
Profile Joined December 2010
70 Posts
February 16 2011 23:22 GMT
#461
So does anyone know what will happen to his GSL group? will it just be freewins for the others in his group?

also, sad to see idra leave .

I was looking forward to his games, but hope that his achievement in the new booming western eSports industry will make it worth it. MLG is now associated with IMG, after all. This could mean tons of cash for him
Rokusha
Profile Joined January 2011
United States207 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 23:29:05
February 16 2011 23:26 GMT
#462
On February 17 2011 04:13 TRG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2011 02:12 Rokusha wrote:
The thing is, as others have said, I feel the skill gap between Koreans and Westerners are going to increase if no one wants to go to the GSL to compete with the best. And furthermore, when these "Western" and "European" tournaments do kick off with larger prize pools and prestige, what do you think the Koreans are going to do? Sit back and just play GSL? Heck no! If they can fit it in, they will play in these supposedly booming competitions in the Western scene and dominate even more.

You're contradicting yourself. If huge tournaments start else where other than Korea, competition is going to grow. If the Koreans decide to come to the US to compete, good! That's only going to push foreigners and non-foreigners to get better and beat each other. Just because a handful of pro-players won't be going to Korea to compete in the GSL, doesn't mean that a magic gap between Western and Eastern players is going to show up. If anything, this gap is going to get smaller with new competitions booming in new areas.


I see your point, but my opinion is, Top koreans are already better than the top foreigners at the game due to practice houses and training for many 12hrs+ a day for many months. When competition does grow outside of Korea and top koreans come to compete, (now this part is speculation) I am afraid that it will be too late for foreigners to compete well enough unless they have trained with the best players for a while like the liquid players are doing now or unless you are extremely talented.

In summary, practicing with better players is going to make you better faster. Skill in Korea is higher so Korean players are going to improve at a faster rate. I think joint team houses are needed with korean teams like OGS-TL so that foreigners can stay on a similar skill level. But since that isn't going to happen for a while anymore, there will always be that skill gap between koreans and foreigners and thus koreans will be dominant in SC2 as they are in BW
MyLovelyLurker
Profile Joined April 2007
France756 Posts
February 16 2011 23:38 GMT
#463
I'm sure Idra's leaving because he's got access to a bigger information set. Even just now the cash prospects are probably better in the US anyway, but if NASL happens, then the guy's just gonna rake in cash for a few monthes at least - especially with HuK out in Korea, there's not that many North Americans who could challenge him heads-on.
"I just say, it doesn't matter win or lose, I just love Starcraft 2, I love this game, I love this stage, just play like in practice" - TIME/Oliveira
Absolutionn
Profile Joined October 2010
United States512 Posts
February 16 2011 23:51 GMT
#464
On February 17 2011 08:38 MyLovelyLurker wrote:
I'm sure Idra's leaving because he's got access to a bigger information set. Even just now the cash prospects are probably better in the US anyway, but if NASL happens, then the guy's just gonna rake in cash for a few monthes at least - especially with HuK out in Korea, there's not that many North Americans who could challenge him heads-on.

To be honest HuK is not at all the only foreigner who can challenge Idra, while he is a strong player I think alot of people think he is better than he is because he won the first MLG.

There are many people in NA right now who can easily compete on the same level as Idra.
Jinro | Idra | Qxc | Select
Broodwich
Profile Joined February 2009
United States393 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-17 00:07:36
February 17 2011 00:06 GMT
#465
Nice to see him get to go home, especially if the money is in any way close to the GSL. Having traveled a fair amount it really sinks in how hard it is to move to a different country from where you grew up and all of the things you sacrifice or have to change to leave home. You lose or change your family, language, food, cultural standards, friends, entertainment, housing options, and so many other things.

I wonder if he's going to start college now too. Seems like a really good opportunity for him to continue to play at a high level and focus on the long term of his life.

The teamliquid guys are in a diff situation because they all live together, and the TL guys in Korea aren't American. The NASL seems like really good news for Tyler though. Good opportunity for him.

Edit: John from GSL said he will just be considered the loser of all of his GSL matches.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
February 17 2011 00:17 GMT
#466
There will be more, easier money in the US+Europe soon I'm sure with the whole NASL and stuff. I wouldn't be surprised to see all the Liquid guys come back as well, other than Jinro, if they don't do disgustingly well in code S
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Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
February 17 2011 00:17 GMT
#467
On February 17 2011 08:22 Apollonius wrote:
So does anyone know what will happen to his GSL group? will it just be freewins for the others in his group?

Yes.

Clide and the winner of Zenio vs Byun will get free wins.
TheCrow
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway296 Posts
February 17 2011 00:18 GMT
#468
If I was as good as Greg I would also move back to the west. Living in Korea you do have GSL, the highest skill tournament so far. But thats only 1 tournament, and you do have to put all eggs in one basket and win to make it profitable. I would rather do like WhiteRa and own up a lot of western leagues. Not only that, but nearly everyone on Gregs team live in the States (dunno about DeMuslim), and now he can train with them properly.
Broodwich
Profile Joined February 2009
United States393 Posts
February 17 2011 00:20 GMT
#469
On February 17 2011 09:17 ZlaSHeR wrote:
There will be more, easier money in the US+Europe soon I'm sure with the whole NASL and stuff. I wouldn't be surprised to see all the Liquid guys come back as well, other than Jinro, if they don't do disgustingly well in code S


I also wouldn't be surprised to see more of the Korean guys going to the overseas tournaments if the money gets good.
Kazzabiss
Profile Joined December 2010
1006 Posts
February 17 2011 00:28 GMT
#470
On February 17 2011 09:17 Bobster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2011 08:22 Apollonius wrote:
So does anyone know what will happen to his GSL group? will it just be freewins for the others in his group?

Yes.

Clide and the winner of Zenio vs Byun will get free wins.

And then get free losses to the Winners of Group A (MVP/MC/July)
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smallerk
Profile Joined October 2010
897 Posts
February 17 2011 00:34 GMT
#471
I like this decision because atleast i can see more of him, and that for me, as a spectator and fan, is much better.
Never Regret anything because at one time it was exactly what you wanted.
raist
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada90 Posts
February 17 2011 00:37 GMT
#472
You know I get the feeling that he is coming back to sc2 because it is more exciting in the NA/EU scene and wants to be a bigger part of that.

Either way, I am very happy with the way things are moving forward.
Go Jinro!!
BlueFlames
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1756 Posts
February 17 2011 00:50 GMT
#473
As always thanks for the coverage and good luck to idra.
Lets hope he will dominate some tournaments or rage at
some "nobodies".

I hope Cruncher cheeses him alot and wins :-p
nemahsys
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada457 Posts
February 17 2011 00:51 GMT
#474
On February 17 2011 08:51 stalefish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2011 08:38 MyLovelyLurker wrote:
I'm sure Idra's leaving because he's got access to a bigger information set. Even just now the cash prospects are probably better in the US anyway, but if NASL happens, then the guy's just gonna rake in cash for a few monthes at least - especially with HuK out in Korea, there's not that many North Americans who could challenge him heads-on.

To be honest HuK is not at all the only foreigner who can challenge Idra, while he is a strong player I think alot of people think he is better than he is because he won the first MLG.

There are many people in NA right now who can easily compete on the same level as Idra.



can you name some of these players in NA who can "easily" compete with Idra? Cause I cant think of any myself.
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Char711
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States862 Posts
February 17 2011 01:03 GMT
#475
On February 17 2011 09:51 nemahsys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2011 08:51 stalefish wrote:
On February 17 2011 08:38 MyLovelyLurker wrote:
I'm sure Idra's leaving because he's got access to a bigger information set. Even just now the cash prospects are probably better in the US anyway, but if NASL happens, then the guy's just gonna rake in cash for a few monthes at least - especially with HuK out in Korea, there's not that many North Americans who could challenge him heads-on.

To be honest HuK is not at all the only foreigner who can challenge Idra, while he is a strong player I think alot of people think he is better than he is because he won the first MLG.

There are many people in NA right now who can easily compete on the same level as Idra.



can you name some of these players in NA who can "easily" compete with Idra? Cause I cant think of any myself.

The difference in context between "easily compete on the same level as Idra" and "can 'easily' compete with Idra" is incredibly important.

Many who can play at such a high level? Yes, there are quite a few who are up at that skill tier.

Many who can easily compete against IdrA? No, that's ridiculous. At such a high level you just can't use "easily compete" since it's an oxymoron.

So, minus your disingenuous interpretation, I'd have to agree with the other gentleman.
"If you can chill, chill." -Liquid`Tyler "Special tactics." -White-Ra
n00b3rt
Profile Joined May 2010
Bulgaria890 Posts
February 17 2011 01:15 GMT
#476
And he left Korea without GG-ing

/yeah, ban me, I just had to do it/
Yeah, whatever
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
February 17 2011 01:32 GMT
#477
wow ... i did not see this coming, i wish him well.
Sukari
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia183 Posts
February 17 2011 01:40 GMT
#478
Kind of a pity to see another foreign player move out of the GSL.

But I'm sure at least this will make the North American eSports scene much more competitive and exciting, especially with the MLG expansion!
ezpzlmnsqzy | SlayerS hwaiting~!
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
February 17 2011 02:13 GMT
#479
Amerricaaaaaaa

F yeah

unleash the grackennnn
Geniuszerg
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada454 Posts
February 17 2011 02:15 GMT
#480
hm... now that IdrA is back to the US, wouldn't he actually not be a "korean" invite for TSL?
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