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On December 02 2010 19:16 Selith wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 19:12 _Quasar_ wrote:
Please go to hell Blizzard. I don't trust any of your words unless you let Starcraft live. -____-
If you want "acknowledgement of your ip rights", then KeSPA / OGN / MBC please acknowledge it and do nothing more. Let's see how they truly would react at something they reportedly "only wanted". -____- The problem is, KeSPA / OGN / MBC doesn't want to ever acknowledge that StarCraft's IP right belongs to Blizzard. In fact, KeSPA is adamant that StarCraft is a complete public property. I think other game companies that are interested in being part of Korean e-sports scene is watching this very carefully. No game developers in their sane mind, want their games becoming public property just because it is part of e-sports scene.
Yes, that's a problem. They should immediately and in most straight way acknowledge it in some official statement to everyone.
But why so much lie?! Why, dear Paul Sams??? If you tell that it's no source of profits - then why you ask for money??? And moreover, he didn't mention the actual participating of Korean gaming community in blizzard's success history, which was BIGGER than 5%. If no lie and no silencing the important facts, that would ALL look much much better, and now, Blizzard looks not better than before. -____-
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I was wondering why they hadn't filed injunctions against the current broadcasting and its nice to know that they're still unsure of it, because it will only harm fans. It's going to make this case take a lot longer than it should had Blizzard used that leverage, but they seem quite confident (and honestly so do I) with their chosen law firm.
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Talk about making a hen out of a feather. SC progaming is getting smaller and smaller and these guys just want to snuff it out completely. Petty and unworthy of Blizzard. Never touching a product of theirs again
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On December 02 2010 20:05 Emon_ wrote:
Talk about making a hen out of a feather. SC progaming is getting smaller and smaller and these guys just want to snuff it out completely. Petty and unworthy of Blizzard. Never touching a product of theirs again
You should blame ACTIVISION Blizzard, I think. Activision is pretty disgusting company, and still manage to get their name not mentioned in this case. But before Activision came to own it, Blizzard wasn't such a piece of sh**.
so please let's speak correctly, it's Activision Blizzard, and I'm even sure that more Activision than Blizzard that is responsible for all the bad things we see.
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I'm getting really tired of this situation tough. I don't watch BW anymore and I would rather have ended this chapter without the Blizzard cloud hovering over it. So I personally will take all the great years with BW and it's great progaming history and just act like this thing here never existed.
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On December 02 2010 20:31 _Quasar_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 20:05 Emon_ wrote:
Talk about making a hen out of a feather. SC progaming is getting smaller and smaller and these guys just want to snuff it out completely. Petty and unworthy of Blizzard. Never touching a product of theirs again You should blame ACTIVISION Blizzard, I think. Activision is pretty disgusting company, and still manage to get their name not mentioned in this case. But before Activision came to own it, Blizzard wasn't such a piece of sh**. so please let's speak correctly, it's Activision Blizzard, and I'm even sure that more Activision than Blizzard that is responsible for all the bad things we see.
Nobody forced a merger between Actvision and Blizzard. The Blizz people got some money in return for their soul. Hope they got a lot because their former good reputation is being dragged through the mud. So both Actvision and Blizzard is to blame, but mostly Blizzard for selling out.
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I know that Blizzard too. But now Activision is not mentioned often. Although they ARE to blame.
I'd suggest to boycott all Activision production, not only Blizzard's.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49984 Posts
Please don't turn this into a massive hate thread against Blizzard
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On December 02 2010 19:02 charlesatan wrote:
The Google Settlement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Book_Search_Settlement_Agreement) is perceived as wrong by authors and the publishing company because of its violation of copyright law (again, copyright law is not IP but they're similar). Google follows a "I'll use this now for my own benefit and apologize later." KeSPA/OGN/MBC are currently incurring a similar infraction although it's worse (Google plans to compensate authors eventually, KeSPA/OGN/MBC have no intention of doing so).
In google case - their plan influences the sales of the books of the authors in the negative ways.On the other hand KeSPA/OGN/MBC have boosted Blizzard's SC:BW sales in korea. So its not like they didn't compensate.
OGN/MBC should just ask for the percentage of the sales of SC:BW in Korea for the past few years (a nice kick in the nuts of ActiBlizz) since Blizzard took increased earnings on SC:BW sales due to OGN/MBC productions - StarLeague, ProLeague.
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Paul Sams stated, "Blizzard does not see e-sports as a source of profits. The reason why we are in negotiations with game TV channels for licensing is to get our IP rights acknowledged, not to get profits."
You scumbag paul sams if that's all you wanted just IP RIGHT acknowledgement and not profits all mbc and ogn had to do was publish an ad that says ALL rights belong to blizzard and it's done . But No you have to sue both of these broadcaster who are barely surviving .
Second observation
. For last 3 years, Blizzard Korea has only earned 5% of overall worldwide sales, and this is smaller than profits earned within Korea by companies such as HanGame, NCSoft, Nexon, NeoWiz, CJInternet, and other Korean online game companies."
Last 3 years ???? You are comparing you dumb sc2 sales compared to the 10 years previously that the koreans had bought 3 million copies of starcraft 1 and broodwar . What happen to crediting to them for that amount of games bought ? . Seriously I wonder why he even bother turning in up in korea except spreading his notions blizzard as a good company that doesn't like PROFIT . It just make me sick......
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On December 02 2010 20:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Please don't turn this into a massive hate thread against Blizzard
And against Activision? :D
I'm not turning it into hate thread, but if people have hate, they'll have, no matter whether they are allowed to express it in certain threads or not. I just say, that if you hate, hate Activision, not Blizzard. =\
On December 02 2010 21:07 Sawamura wrote:
Paul Sams stated, "Blizzard does not see e-sports as a source of profits. The reason why we are in negotiations with game TV channels for licensing is to get our IP rights acknowledged, not to get profits."
You scumbag paul sams if that's all you wanted just IP RIGHT acknowledgement and not profits all mbc and ogn had to do was publish an ad that says ALL rights belong to blizzard and it's done . But No you have to sue both of these broadcaster who are barely surviving .
Second observation
. For last 3 years, Blizzard Korea has only earned 5% of overall worldwide sales, and this is smaller than profits earned within Korea by companies such as HanGame, NCSoft, Nexon, NeoWiz, CJInternet, and other Korean online game companies."
Last 3 years ???? You are comparing you dumb sc2 sales compared to the 10 years previously that the koreans had bought 3 million copies of starcraft 1 and broodwar . What happen to crediting to them for that amount of games bought ? . Seriously I wonder why he even bother turning in up in korea except spreading his notions blizzard as a good company that doesn't like PROFIT . It just make me sick......
Yes. And he didn't mention that starcraft in Korea affected the whole world's acceptance of Starcraft and Starcraft 2, not only in Korea.
That's what I was talking about, too. =\
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On December 02 2010 21:06 Frankon wrote:
In google case - their plan influences the sales of the books of the authors in the negative ways.On the other hand KeSPA/OGN/MBC have boosted Blizzard's SC:BW sales in korea. So its not like they didn't compensate.
1) Show some consistency. In the Google Case, one can make the argument that making the said books available for free and easily searchable on the Internet (i.e. the theory behind supporters of the Creative Commons License) will boost sales for the authors because it's making them visible. That's basically what you're implying with KeSPA/OGN/MBC and Broodwar.
2) However, whether KeSPA/OGN/MBC is indirectly compensating Blizzard or not is besides the point (contrary to what many posters here have mentioned, Blizzard's agenda isn't short-term profit [see my previous posts on this thread]). They're not respecting Blizzard's perceived IP Rights.
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On December 02 2010 20:31 _Quasar_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 20:05 Emon_ wrote:
Talk about making a hen out of a feather. SC progaming is getting smaller and smaller and these guys just want to snuff it out completely. Petty and unworthy of Blizzard. Never touching a product of theirs again You should blame ACTIVISION Blizzard, I think. Activision is pretty disgusting company, and still manage to get their name not mentioned in this case. But before Activision came to own it, Blizzard wasn't such a piece of sh**. so please let's speak correctly, it's Activision Blizzard, and I'm even sure that more Activision than Blizzard that is responsible for all the bad things we see.
To clarify this: Blizzard isn't owned by Activision. Activision Blizzard as a whole is owned by Vivendi with 52% and they saved the right to get up to 68% of ATVI. Vivendi is the company that owned Blizzard before merging with Activision as well. They just made the former Activision CEO the new ATVI CEO, but that doesn't mean that Activision "owns" Blizzard.
Protecting their IP rights is the most important thing a game company can do, because IP rights is literally everything they have. They spend their money to make the game, balance it, and then it becomes public property so everyone can make a shitload of money with it?
That's just not right, no matter how much Kespa did for e-sports, as soon as they earn money by selling broadcast rights for a product they don't own, Blizzard has to protect their interests.
And i don't really understand how Blizzard could be greedy? You could run 17 proleagues with the Blizzard fee before you reach the amount of money Kespa charged. Kespa reinvested it into the broadcasting channels? So, why did they charge it in the first place just to give it back?
I don't really think so, that's ridiculous.
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On December 02 2010 21:11 _Quasar_ wrote:
I'm not turning it into hate thread, but if people have hate, they'll have, no matter whether they are allowed to express it in certain threads or not. I just say, that if you hate, hate Activision, not Blizzard. =\
Your post is the definition of a hate thread since you're espousing hate.
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Okay, KeSPA is screwed, nice knowing ya. You did allot for E-sport, in SouthKorea at least. Thee will be missed.
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On December 02 2010 21:23 HorstSchlemmer wrote:
Protecting their IP rights is the most important thing a game company can do, because IP rights is literally everything they have. They spend their money to make the game, balance it, and then it becomes public property so everyone can make a shitload of money with it?
That's just not right, no matter how much Kespa did for e-sports, as soon as they earn money by selling broadcast rights for a product they don't own, Blizzard has to protect their interests.
And i don't really understand how Blizzard could be greedy? You could run 17 proleagues with the Blizzard fee before you reach the amount of money Kespa charged. Kespa reinvested it into the broadcasting channels? So, why did they charge it in the first place just to give it back?
I don't really think so, that's ridiculous.
Protect IP rights - yes. But. KeSPA and Korean progaming isn't just "no one". They should be treated with respect. ActiBlizz doesn't show this respect themselves (but expects it from them).
All those who say about Blizzard's need to "protect themselves" do not mention that korean proscene isn't just some random guys.
By rhetoric, these Blizzard characters hope to really "outspeak" the fact that these progamers are someone to whom they, too, owe something? No way.
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Either discuss this topic calmly and rationally, or don't post. This is not an "I hate KeSPA/GOM" thread. It is a thread to discuss Paul Sams's conference, and what it means for the SC community.
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Blizzard shows respect, otherwise they would have just filed and injunction and stop the whole broadcasting and league process in a second until the lawsuit is finished. Instead they let the leagues run until everything is done. That's kind of a big gesture in my opinion?
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No, it doesn't show. They lie. Respect and lies aren't too compatible. =\ They lie or silence away the facts.
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On December 02 2010 22:08 _Quasar_ wrote:
No, it doesn't show. They lie. Respect and lies aren't too compatible. =\ They lie or silence away the facts.
I haven't seen any lies from them, just a whole lot of paranoia and and unfounded claims from the folks here so far.
Good announcement, really proves they are good people, and it looks like blizz will crush KESPA with that kind of lawyering power behind them, and basically unlimited funds compared to, well, not much money at all.
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