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xiaojiemik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 11:48:41
December 06 2010 11:24 GMT
#161
abcb
Profile Joined November 2007
United States136 Posts
December 06 2010 20:03 GMT
#162
On December 02 2010 17:50 AlBundy wrote:
Thank you translator team, Selith and Milkis.

About Kim & Chang: Oh my. The netizens were right, IP rights abuse is over.



I am really surprised that Blizzard were able to get Kim & Chang. The typical rules prevent a law firm representing clients that might potentially be opponents in court. Since Kespa is made up of all those corporations, you would think one of them already had Kim & Chang on retainer. I would wait and see on the law firm thing. If one of the big corporation raise an issue on this, K&C would be completely conflicted out or risk losing business from the big corporations that are part of Kespa.
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-07 19:43:07
December 07 2010 19:25 GMT
#163
That's what i wanted to post before i found out I was banned. Well, i guess it was a reasonable measure after all, and now i think my post won't start any flame war.

I don't remember to who did I answer, so I can't insert a quote. Here it is:

+ Show Spoiler +
Not only you, all e-sports would lose if BW scene was closed. =\

Because SC2 is a one-day game, many people returned from it to BW, claiming that it hasn't its depth. Only reason I see for people staying in SC2 is money. And prize money some time ends. %_%

So I'm against Blizzard, too. And we have right on this side, when at the same time Blizzard's side is full of lie. They haven't to be that arrogant when lieing. Korean pro's contribution is far larger than 5%.

And for all those who care about Starcraft too, don't draw fire to KeSPA, because this is exactly what Blizzard wants. Then it will be not hard for them to destroy SC scene. Don't go against your own goal, at least. =\

Waiting for right actions from OGN/MBC/KeSPA, which definitely will show how much lie or truth are there in Blizzard's words. I think, not much.


P.S.: I'm really satisfied with the KESPA's response that they gave in another thread. Completely reasonable and very human response. Although I think they too need improvement. I hope the crisis gives them the opportunity to do so.

P.P.S.: I would really be happy even if KeSPA lost their power and Blizzard got power over the SC:BW. But if they would just shut down the leagues, they would be just bastards. After such a great contribution to their popularity that koreans did (which is more than 5% part of their success and thus ==>> of their money earned), to show such few respect to them would be plainly inconsistent of them. =___=

I still boycott SC2 and call others that truly love BW to (silently and probably even without posting it =__=) join it.

But I would be so happy if Blizzard just let BW live and supported it, and if their words about their will to co-exist BW and SC2 were true... I'm so tired of this bullshit wars. If they'd finally showed some humanity and truth, i'd love Blizzard and Paul Sams more than ever, wow they'd be such gods in my eyes! They'd actually make lots and lots of people HAPPY. And I'd buy myself Starcraft 2 and stop any flame about it anywhere, and lol, i'd even make 132958723458907 of threads about how pirating games is bad and how you must buy them in a normal way so that the labour of the developers is appreciated and it would prevent such bullshit from happening again.

Honesty is the best politics, Blizzard.
If your major point in this statement (saying that e-sports =/= source of profits) turns out to be a lie - it will be a MAJOR shame for you so NO ONE again believes what you are saying.

I hope everyone is understanding that.

___________

Not to double post:

I think KESPA's second move should be to volutarily fulfill Blizzard's demand about clearly showing SCBW logo and Blizzard logo during matches. They should literally fulfill every their demand that doesn't concern money feedback. I think this is what they should do (not sure about the exact way it should be done). Then they really could face the truth or lie that is behind the Blizzard's statements.

That is the logic of this situation I think. They should put humanity above all, as they chose to play on this side. Let's look on which side is Blizzard.
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kochujang
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1226 Posts
December 10 2010 04:05 GMT
#164
On December 04 2010 03:31 DayJP wrote:
guys

i'm really stupid when it comes to laws, rights and what not

i read the whole OP and some of the comments

but I still couldnt figure out what does blizzard really want.

this "acknowledgment", what does it consist of?

they want a bite of the profits? rofl

I ask this coz I know that one of the reasons HD and Husky are postponing their torney is related to "blizzard approval" or something.. seriously, are they THAT insecure about their product? wanna centralize even small tournaments? that's BS imo

I'm not a wiz either, but they want the rules about IP to be followed. If they start to allow people to break rules without consequences, it could get worse for each case. The rule is simple, do not use the brand Starcraft 2 without authorization. If they do not enforce this from the very beginning, it could get out of hand. Lets do an example:

First offense: Small tournament with small prices. Permission not asked.
Second offense: Bigger tournament with medium prices. Permission not asked.
Third offense: Full blown international tournament with large prices. Lots of broadcasting and commercial income. Permission not asked.
Fourth offense: Production of smaller Starcraft 2 items, like Marine mobile phone charms or SC2 ring tones. Permission not asked.
Fifth offense: Production of bigger Starcraft 2 items, like Marine plushie, bedsheets etc.
Permission not asked.
Sixth offense: Starcraft spinoffs into other games, books etc. Permission really needed?

It is like punishing a kid for stealing a cookie. The amount is not relevant, it is the principle. What would he do, when he could get away with stealing cookies without any consequence? He will try bigger things.

I have not taken any stance in how Blizzard is enforcing this (with their token amount), but that is actually a different discussion. It would be good if people would not mix them up. Blizzard needs to take a stance, as far as I am concerned. I am not well informed enough if their approach is fair, but it is in their right.
oprandom
Profile Joined November 2010
United States33 Posts
December 16 2010 23:32 GMT
#165
It's pretty straightforward. Blizzard isn't making money off of this, but they don't want someone else *stealing* their IP and making it their own. And that's what some greedy bastards tried to do, charge other people for the rights to Blizzard's IP without even acknowledging that Blizzard owns it let alone getting permission.

This isn't about profits, but control of your own product. If someone copied an artis's paintings and charged for it, it wouldn't matter that the artists might not have profited from it.
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