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Hikko
United States1126 Posts
Boxer fighting! | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On November 03 2010 14:00 Selith wrote: Update: KeSPA officially announced they retired BoxeR from progamer status. Now he's "Amateur" status. As a result, BoxeR will not be able to come to any KeSPA-sponsored progames for 3 years, and will not be able to re-acquire progamer status for a year. Or in other words "F!@# you mongolians.....blizzard" | ||
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Hakker
United States1360 Posts
On November 04 2010 10:39 silentreality wrote: While I'm totally SC fanboi (getting on in the years now..).. You're vastly overestimating Boxer's status in mainstream Korean culture. I'm not going to try and argue with a korean native (according to your status atleast) regarding korean culture, but i will say that there are not many culuturally relevant people that have DVDs based on their careers, biographies written about them, fan clubs with millions of members and even documentaries being made about them that at the same time make less money than the average doctor. Usually with a certain level of notability also comes an equal level of compensation. | ||
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bioniK
United States65 Posts
On November 04 2010 09:22 MDMA_ wrote: Kim Yuna' is making millions of dollars as a korean figure skater? Also its called e-sports for a reason, there are enough people outside the scene insulting it and calling it "just a game" not a legitimate "sport". If everyone had an attitude like you, looking to cap a salary at such a low amount no one would have the ambition to amount to be anything. You have to realize that athletes didn't get paid millions of dollars when the sport was first invented. Basketball easily took 20 years for salaries to reach the 7 digit mark alone. Give esports some time and eventually people will get paid millions of dollars to play. Progaming should be something you want to do, not because people make a shit load of money out of it. | ||
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sushi.oi.zz
Hong Kong72 Posts
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Wings
United States999 Posts
Boxer / Oov / Nada / Flash I'm pretty sure that would easily be the greatest team in history, the way they would push each other and develop strategies for Terran would be unbelievable. I think Oov is possible, Nada highly unlikely, Flash impossible... but meh, I can dream. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
iBoxeR. Holy shit, nothing is sacred... | ||
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Hikko
United States1126 Posts
On November 04 2010 10:53 Wings wrote: Personally I'd like to see the following team. Boxer / Oov / Nada / Flash I'm pretty sure that would easily be the greatest team in history, the way they would push each other and develop strategies for Terran would be unbelievable. I think Oov is possible, Nada highly unlikely, Flash impossible... but meh, I can dream. Imagine just how much they would change about TvT just by doing stuff in-house O.O | ||
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silentreality
Korea (South)222 Posts
On November 04 2010 10:49 Hakker wrote: I'm not going to try and argue with a korean native (according to your status atleast) regarding korean culture, There are not many culuturally relevant people that have DVDs based on their careers, biographies written about them, fan clubs with millions of members and even documentaries being made about them that make less money than the average doctor. Usually with a certain level of notability also comes an equal level of compensation. You're right. Boxer had all those things. I hate to play the devil's advocate in this case because I've played starcraft since vanilla and followed e-sports since its infant stages... but Boxer is a famous icon.... in a very niche market. Yes, he is the most famous professional gamer. Yes, many people will have at least heard of him in passing. However, I still stand by my statement that Boxer's influence on mainstream Korean culture is very limited, and I think most Koreans will agree with me on this. Nonetheless! The KRW200mn that Boxer will potentially receive pales in comparison to the amount that professional sports stars make in the US.. but it's a sizeable sum by Korean standards. (Unfortunately, our sports culture is a bit lagging.. which is one of the biggest complaints I have about living in Korea. With the possible exception of baseball, all of our focus is on national competitions) | ||
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silentreality
Korea (South)222 Posts
On November 04 2010 10:45 darmousseh wrote: Or in other words "F!@# you mongolians.....blizzard" I think that was a little misleading.. According to the KeSPA website, they did announce the retirement of Boxer from professional status.. however, it says that it was done at the request of the team (SKT1) and the player himself. That's a little different than KeSPA forcing retirement. | ||
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DrakanSilva
Chile932 Posts
On November 03 2010 14:17 KevinIX wrote: BoxeR and FoxeR should form a two man team. God I agree... it will be so damn good. | ||
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Dox
Australia1199 Posts
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ultramafia
221 Posts
On November 04 2010 09:49 Hakker wrote: Unless I'm vastly overestimating the economic situation of Korea (eg. third-world country-wise), $170,000 is piddly for a national icon and celebrity. Starcraft is the most televised sport in Korea. The industry definitely has the means to pay their players much more than they currently offer. I seriously couldn't even begin to understand the horror of accounting (or stretching of the truth) that must be going on to make Esports an 'Unprofitable Industry' in the words of Kespa. Wow this is no where near what i said. 170,000 salary for an e-sport that literally came out in august. Starcraft may be the most televised sport in Korea but Starcraft II is not. Advertisers for professional basketball literally pay millions. They didn't when basketball was first being played professionally. On November 04 2010 09:22 MDMA_ wrote: Kim Yuna' is making millions of dollars as a korean figure skater? Also its called e-sports for a reason, there are enough people outside the scene insulting it and calling it "just a game" not a legitimate "sport". If everyone had an attitude like you, looking to cap a salary at such a low amount no one would have the ambition to amount to be anything. How does me thinking 170,000 USD is a good salary for a Starcraft II progamer before the first official season has even started qualify as insulting e-sports. These GSL tournaments are preliminaries and the game was released in august. I'm sorry but i doubt my "attitude" has anything to do with the legitimacy of e-sports outside of the scene. | ||
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TemplarCo.
Mexico2870 Posts
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MDMA_
Canada265 Posts
On November 04 2010 10:49 bioniK wrote: dude i totally agree, my post isnt actually relavent to the point you are trying to make. It was a response to a previous post saying that u cant compare professional athletes to progamers and in turn u cant compare progamers to korean athletes. How does me thinking 170,000 USD is a good salary for a Starcraft II progamer before the first official season has even started qualify as insulting e-sports. These GSL tournaments are preliminaries and the game was released in august. I'm sorry but i doubt my "attitude" has anything to do with the legitimacy of e-sports outside of the scene. You do not say anywhere that you think 170k is a good salary for sc2 progaming. However you do talk about how progaming cant compare to "professional sports" and you clearly have no idea how much korean athletes earn i would take your "bet" in a heartbeat | ||
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ultramafia
221 Posts
On November 04 2010 11:39 MDMA_ wrote: You do not say anywhere that you think 170k is a good salary for sc2 progaming. However you do talk about how progaming cant compare to "professional sports" and you clearly have no idea how much korean athletes earn i would take your "bet" in a heartbeat the whole point to my post was that 170k was a good salary and the idea that this "low" salary was holding e-sports back was, in my opinion, ridiculous. I didn't say progaming can't compare to professional sports, i said the amount of money earned cannot be compared. And Kim Yuna was the 2nd highest paid athlete even competing in the Winter Olympics. She owns her own skating company and is a world wide figure skating icon. I am sorry i did not consider this to be the standard for compensation for professional athletes in Korea. | ||
Selith
United States238 Posts
Figure skating has been all but plainly ignored until Kim Yuna showed up. The skating association of Korea never did anything to help Kim Yuna to get to where she is. And they had the balls to take cuts from her prize money. ;p | ||
GTR
51455 Posts
On November 04 2010 11:12 silentreality wrote: You're right. Boxer had all those things. I hate to play the devil's advocate in this case because I've played starcraft since vanilla and followed e-sports since its infant stages... but Boxer is a famous icon.... in a very niche market. Yes, he is the most famous professional gamer. Yes, many people will have at least heard of him in passing. However, I still stand by my statement that Boxer's influence on mainstream Korean culture is very limited, and I think most Koreans will agree with me on this. Nonetheless! The KRW200mn that Boxer will potentially receive pales in comparison to the amount that professional sports stars make in the US.. but it's a sizeable sum by Korean standards. (Unfortunately, our sports culture is a bit lagging.. which is one of the biggest complaints I have about living in Korea. With the possible exception of baseball, all of our focus is on national competitions) hey you know what would bring sc2 in the main stream. if kim hyungjun from ss501 joined boxer's team. /whistles by | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On November 04 2010 11:18 silentreality wrote: I think that was a little misleading.. According to the KeSPA website, they did announce the retirement of Boxer from professional status.. however, it says that it was done at the request of the team (SKT1) and the player himself. That's a little different than KeSPA forcing retirement. Yes, he has to request retirement or else he is still bound by his contract and is expected to sign another contract. In any fashion, this is a kespa rule that applies to everyone and it's a retarded one. It's a way of ensuring a monopoly on the best players. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On November 04 2010 10:53 Wings wrote: Personally I'd like to see the following team. Boxer / Oov / Nada / Flash I'm pretty sure that would easily be the greatest team in history, the way they would push each other and develop strategies for Terran would be unbelievable. I think Oov is possible, Nada highly unlikely, Flash impossible... but meh, I can dream. ya and blizzard would be nerfing Terran like no one's business ... | ||
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