BoxeR's name value is so good that he can get a personal sponsorship.
The company backing him up is only known as an multinational company "I", and they will be sponsoring BoxeR for 200 million won, if negotiations go well.
The article goes further in-depth about supposed potential conflict with SKT1, but eh. He's not under any contract now though. It ends with an e-sports related personnel saying that he has received a request from T1 to consider BoxeR as officially retired, but it has not been confirmed with BoxeR himself.
Edit: Since I have time to kill, here's a full translation. Enjoy, I suppose.
The "Emperor", Lim Yo Hwan (editor's note: henceforth, shortened as BoxeR), who is currently participating in GSL, will receive personal sponsorship worth 200 million won.
BoxeR, who is currently doing very well in GomTV's GSL, a multinational company -- recently entered the Korean market -- only known as "I" have offered to provide a personal sponsorship of 200 million won, and full details in regards to this contract will be released soon.
An affiliate to corporation I, has cautiously stated, "It is true that we are currently in the talks with BoxeR for the sponsorship. It is not confirmed, as there are multiple issues and understanding between related parties."
It is understood that corporation "I" would sponsor BoxeR personally for 200 million won, then use 300 million won for the management of a team, for total of 500 million won used for a StarCraft 2 game team. (editor's note: This part is vague as to whether this "team" is BoxeR's own team or what).
BoxeR, who started being a progamer at early 2000s, is the representative icon of the e-sports as the man who put down the foundation for the Korean e-sports scene. But a lot of fans were disappointed in BoxeR's performance after BoxeR's discharge from the military in 2008, due to the many new star progamers in place.
The corporation "I" have watched carefully BoxeR's activities in SC2 and what he represents, then have come to decide to sponsor BoxeR.
In a meanwhile, there is a potential conflict in regards to BoxeR's progamer status due to BoxeR finding a potential sponsor for him in SC2.
BoxeR played for SKTelecom (after absorbing 4U, a former team he was in) since 2004, and his contract with SKTelecom ended in this August 31st. Then, he delayed signing up again on the contract due to personal reasons, then officially announced that he will switch to SC2 after showing up for the GSL prelims.
BoxeR, after confirming his switch, has shown his will and desire to keep his status as a progamer by saying "I am merely switching to SC2, not retiring from being a progamer."
Currently, BoxeR's status is "not contracted player". To keep progamer status from KeSPA, the player is not allowed to participate in a different team for a similar game without explicit permission from the team that currently owns the "rights to the player" -- in this case, SKTelecom. If SKTelecom doesn't announce temporary resign or retire request, there can possibly be a conflict between corporations.
However, it is not likely any conflict will arise. SKTelecom has officially requested BoxeR to be a retired player to KeSPA.
KeSPA's Lee Jae Hyung stated, "We received request to make BoxeR as an retired player from T1 progame team. But, this is not confirmed from BoxeR himself. We will announce retirement status after confirming BoxeR's opinions first."
KeSPA officially announced they retired BoxeR from progamer status. Now he's "Amateur" status.
As a result, BoxeR will not be able to come to any KeSPA-sponsored progames for 3 years, and will not be able to re-acquire progamer status for a year.
On November 03 2010 14:01 blade55555 wrote: wow thats fucking insane lol 200 million won how much is that in US dollars? Just curious if its actually a ton (sounds like it).
i guess i'll take you for your word also, it's great to see boxer really getting into it, extending the retirement age of sc progamers past 21 is a really really great thing for the sport
On November 03 2010 14:01 blade55555 wrote: wow thats fucking insane lol 200 million won how much is that in US dollars? Just curious if its actually a ton (sounds like it).
On November 03 2010 14:01 blade55555 wrote: wow thats fucking insane lol 200 million won how much is that in US dollars? Just curious if its actually a ton (sounds like it).
On November 03 2010 14:01 blade55555 wrote: wow thats fucking insane lol 200 million won how much is that in US dollars? Just curious if its actually a ton (sounds like it).
i think gsl is 100 million for first
Ah ok for some reason I thought it was less in won. Still not a bad deal at all ^^.
On November 03 2010 14:01 blade55555 wrote: wow thats fucking insane lol 200 million won how much is that in US dollars? Just curious if its actually a ton (sounds like it).
Personally, my hopes for BoxeR's team is that he won't just get a bunch of old pros. My hope is that he'll spend that money to scout NEW talent, younger guys.
The article goes further in-depth about supposed potential conflict with SKT1, but eh. He's not under any contract now though. It ends with an e-sports related personnel saying that he has received a request from T1 to consider BoxeR as officially retired, but it has not been confirmed with BoxeR himself.
Woah if that's true that's just so bad. It's so sad that they'd be so quick to cast of the BoxeR name as retired because he switched to SC2. The conflict I feel goes too far when one side tries to stop BOXER calling himself BoxeR.
Lot of the korean netizens are suspecting that this company "I" is Intel which seems very plausible. Also the deal will come with additional 300 million won for a team if boxer chooses to start his own.
On November 03 2010 14:15 HollowLord wrote: That's AWESOME.
Personally, my hopes for BoxeR's team is that he won't just get a bunch of old pros. My hope is that he'll spend that money to scout NEW talent, younger guys.
Yeah because BoxeR has never scouted out new talent that turns into the best terran in the world and beats him in the EVER 2004 OSL finals *rolleyes*
Basing off the OP, it is somewhat unclear what the money is for. The op states it as "sponsoring", that could mean the money only goes towards travelling/living expenses etc rather than an actual salary that he can spend however he wants. Also the op doesn't mention about the time period of the sponsorship.
The deal could certainly be 180k USD over say 3 years, with an obligation to attend major overseas tournaments. There wouldn't be much left of 60k a year when you have to pay for tickets to fly all over the world and pay for living expenses/food etc. But we'll see how it goes when it's all finalised
A single pre-season of the GSL runs off of a 200 million Won prize pool. It awards 100 million of that to the first place winner. I hope that helps put it into perspective a bit. Of course, we don't know if it'll finalize at that amount. Also, we don't know the full terms of the sponsorhip as others in this thread have stated.
I can't read the naver link. I assume this is just a 1 year sponsorship deal? BoxeR at least sets a precedent for future sponsorship deals for other players assuming his deal gets finalized and signed.
Wait what, so Intel are sponsoring both the GSL and BoxeR?
Sony-Ericsson is confirmed to sponsor GSL S3.
I can't read the naver link. I assume this is just a 1 year sponsorship deal? BoxeR at least sets a precedent for future sponsorship deals for other players assuming his deal gets finalized and signed.
Article does not state how long this sponsorship is to last.
I've also updated OP with full translation of the article.
I can't read the naver link. I assume this is just a 1 year sponsorship deal? BoxeR at least sets a precedent for future sponsorship deals for other players assuming his deal gets finalized and signed.
Article does not state how long this sponsorship is to last.
I've also updated OP with full translation of the article.
Aha, that makes sense I guess. Also, thanks for posting this.
On November 03 2010 14:01 blade55555 wrote: wow thats fucking insane lol 200 million won how much is that in US dollars? Just curious if its actually a ton (sounds like it).
200 million won = 2 GSL First Place Reward
On November 03 2010 14:04 AyJay wrote: To get 200 Million won salary in Korea you have to be:
1) Training hard all day, win every single tournament, be recognized as best player in BW ever (Flash)
or
2) Be Boxer
Well... Lim Yo Hwan did 1) for more 6+ years and Lee Jung-Hoon (Foxer) is doing 2).
Real BoxeR said in an interview that he doesn't mind FoxeR using his ID, and with how he has been playing, Real BoxeR said that FoxeR almost deserves the tag more than himself.
i wonder who will be making more money per year so to speak Flash in BW or Boxer/LimYoHwan in Sc2 with a personal sponsorship of that caliber, Boxer immediately would be making 170k/year not including other endorsements, advertising deals, or prize money. in theory if he wins 2 gsl seasons he would bring in 330k/year >_<
I feel like this is the big sponsorship that was talked about in that one rumor thread that came out a few weeks ago still awesome news! Great for boxer
On November 03 2010 14:15 HollowLord wrote: That's AWESOME.
Personally, my hopes for BoxeR's team is that he won't just get a bunch of old pros. My hope is that he'll spend that money to scout NEW talent, younger guys.
Yeah because BoxeR has never scouted out new talent that turns into the best terran in the world and beats him in the EVER 2004 OSL finals *rolleyes*
And that's a bad thing? Boxer scouting new players gives us people like Iloveoov who can help evolve the game.
On November 03 2010 15:24 Bandino wrote: I feel like this is the big sponsorship that was talked about in that one rumor thread that came out a few weeks ago still awesome news! Great for boxer
JD and Boxer on the same team.... I doubt my brain could handle such things....
Sc2 getting serious in Korea. I reaaaally wonder how it all plays out in the end.
On November 03 2010 14:15 HollowLord wrote: That's AWESOME.
Personally, my hopes for BoxeR's team is that he won't just get a bunch of old pros. My hope is that he'll spend that money to scout NEW talent, younger guys.
Yeah because BoxeR has never scouted out new talent that turns into the best terran in the world and beats him in the EVER 2004 OSL finals *rolleyes*
And that's a bad thing? Boxer scouting new players gives us people like Iloveoov who can help evolve the game.
BoxeR getting a personal sponsorship sounds sick. It reminds me of Daigo (one of the best SSF4 players currently) being personally sponsored by Madcatz.
omggg... 200 million won for him alone and another 300million for a team if he wants. this is just crazy. when boxer wins GSL2, thats another 100 million won... -> 300Million for himself.... thats $270246 USD. 1st person he recruits is gonna be the next Oov.
On November 03 2010 15:37 jacen wrote: Boxer will probably snatch TLO and cool as they seem to be highly innovative and this is worth much until legacy of rhe void comes along.
TLO did say in a interview he is pretty loyal to TL, don't think he would leave....Fruit dealer made TSL with Tester so I don't think he would leave either.
Didn't Oov express desire to move onto SC2? I wouldn't be suprised if BoxeR and iloveoov formed a SC2 team.
Don't forget that Reach, Casey, and Anytime are out of Air Force ACE, so the chances of them forming a team with BoxeR is there. They can truly be the real oGs.
On November 03 2010 15:37 jacen wrote: Boxer will probably snatch TLO and cool as they seem to be highly innovative and this is worth much until legacy of rhe void comes along.
TLO did say in a interview he is pretty loyal to TL, don't think he would leave....Fruit dealer made TSL with Tester so I don't think he would leave either.
Basing of TL's sponsors, do the players even have a decent salary? If BoxeR forms a team with a good sponsor(s), then it can be tempting. I'm not saying that TLO is the type of person that would jump ship from seeing the sight of money.
On November 03 2010 14:15 HollowLord wrote: That's AWESOME.
Personally, my hopes for BoxeR's team is that he won't just get a bunch of old pros. My hope is that he'll spend that money to scout NEW talent, younger guys.
Yeah because BoxeR has never scouted out new talent that turns into the best terran in the world and beats him in the EVER 2004 OSL finals *rolleyes*
And that's a bad thing? Boxer scouting new players gives us people like Iloveoov who can help evolve the game.
On November 03 2010 16:23 hoppipolla wrote: Recruit oov and create SKT T2. Well I can dream.
oov is already playing sc2. He even said if shit goes down with kespa hes gonna switch. Chances are REALLY high thats hes gonna switch if boxer asks him. Thats my guess.
On November 03 2010 14:01 blade55555 wrote: wow thats fucking insane lol 200 million won how much is that in US dollars? Just curious if its actually a ton (sounds like it).
He should take that money and in two years open his own Progame team/house where he can be the coach and then eventually just be managing it all and then after more years be a boss and baller 4 life.
On November 03 2010 17:01 udgnim wrote: would be pretty cool if someone could come up with a list of SC 2 players that are not associated with a team. is Sangho part of a team?
On November 03 2010 14:01 blade55555 wrote: wow thats fucking insane lol 200 million won how much is that in US dollars? Just curious if its actually a ton (sounds like it).
On November 03 2010 14:15 HollowLord wrote: That's AWESOME.
Personally, my hopes for BoxeR's team is that he won't just get a bunch of old pros. My hope is that he'll spend that money to scout NEW talent, younger guys.
Yeah because BoxeR has never scouted out new talent that turns into the best terran in the world and beats him in the EVER 2004 OSL finals *rolleyes*
And that's a bad thing? Boxer scouting new players gives us people like Iloveoov who can help evolve the game.
Oh, I was about to lambast some people criticizing you saying you could be non-English member, but your country panel states United States so O.O
boxer and FD doing some sort of partnership with TSL and then forging a western partnership with team liquid.
they hook up intel to do showmatches like they used to do for CS (4K and SK did one in the UK, ati had one between SK and iCHOR here in australia) and they regularly attend the smaller overseas competitions as well and just literally abuse boxer's profile for marketing moola.
we win, boxer gets out of korea more (him + his foxy gf in the sun more often - they win), and sc2 everywhere has a massive nerdgasm.
KeSPA officially announced they retired BoxeR from progamer status. Now he's "Amateur" status.
Amateur? Why not Legend?
Because when you turn in your pro gamer license you cannot participate for 3 years in kespa events. So they list you as an amateur and you join the other 186k in korea with that license until your probation ends. At least he wasn't stripped like Nada was on his record.
I can't read the naver link. I assume this is just a 1 year sponsorship deal? BoxeR at least sets a precedent for future sponsorship deals for other players assuming his deal gets finalized and signed.
the first thing that came to mind with that pic is 'serial killer
On November 03 2010 16:20 dukethegold wrote: Hoping I=Intel.
This is a huge step forward.
That actually seems likely, though like Sony Ericsson taking over sponsorship of GSL, I'd prefer if new companies enter the esports scene. Intel is already very involved with esports across multiple games.
And If Intel is really sponsoring BoxeR, they should name their next processor after him, haha. Core iBoxeR. It can have 32 cores for gosu multitasking.
KeSPA officially announced they retired BoxeR from progamer status. Now he's "Amateur" status.
As a result, BoxeR will not be able to come to any KeSPA-sponsored progames for 3 years, and will not be able to re-acquire progamer status for a year.
On November 03 2010 19:18 HwangjaeTerran wrote: Call Reach quick-quick-quick! Protoss needs a hero and there is only one (well Nal-Ra & Kingdom too but Reach is the hottest)
Time for SlayerS team - SlayerS'Mantoss' , SlayerS'KKong'. SlayerS'Dreamer' gg nore
Protoss really need Mantoss to step it up for us Protoss Although if Nal_Ra finishes his military service in ~2years? I would be so happy if he gets to switch over to sc2. Then a new program called Oldboy 2 :d We'll see alot of eating and toilet paper again :D:D:D
Strange, I thought South Korea was a rich country being almost a "western country". Because I've have the impression than when you get millions in salaries, and it's not "really" millions, the currency isn't really worth that much. I wonder what the milk costs, 1000 WON?
My guess is Na'Vi, the ukrainian organisation. They've annouced their intention of creating a SC2 team by the end of the year. The guy behind Na'Vi is a multi millionaire from kazakhstan and already has the best CS 1.6 team. He dosnt care about money and wants prestige.
But I guess my prediction is a bit over the top...
On November 03 2010 20:15 dafunk wrote: My guess is Na'Vi, the ukrainian organisation. They've annouced their intention of creating a SC2 team by the end of the year. The guy behind Na'Vi is a multi millionaire from kazakhstan and already has the best CS 1.6 team. He dosnt care about money and wants prestige.
But I guess my prediction is a bit over the top...
Probably a big company.
Borat started an organization named after the aliens in Avatar?
On November 03 2010 20:06 quasit wrote: Strange, I thought South Korea was a rich country being almost a "western country". Because I've have the impression than when you get millions in salaries, and it's not "really" millions, the currency isn't really worth that much. I wonder what the milk costs, 1000 WON?
What are you talking about, How many zeroes their money uses has nothing to do with being a rich country or not.
With your logic, Sweden is a poor country cuz your SEK or w/e uses more zeroes then euros.
On November 03 2010 21:03 rsol wrote: If I is intel which makes sense then wouldn't this be EG (ie. a team intel sponsors) / incontrol's big news too?
Not likely, Intel is just one of the sponsors of EG as is SteelSeries and many other companies. Afaik. they sponsor quite a few other competitive gaming teams as well. Besides that chances are the announcement would've been worded differently if he was joining an already established team.
Who knows though, last time I said something like this was when I said its extremely unlikely that Nada would be the one joining oGs. Haha.
Tbh. I hope its not Intel, they've already done tons of sponsoring in eSports and it would be much more exciting if it was a huge company that has no past experience in this. (IKEA / IBM one time!!)
Doesn't surprise me at all that boxer can get this kind of deal. He has everything going for him; SC1 legend status, huge fan base, actress gf/wife, great showing at his 1st SC2 tournament...etc. I really hope he makes a kick ass team to make the scene even more competitive and draw other sponsors. It can only mean good things for esports.
On November 03 2010 20:18 kojinshugi wrote: Borat started an organization named after the aliens in Avatar?
He was thinking of Murat "Arbalet" Zhumashevich, and considering the amount of money he has dropped on e-sports I cannot believe you don't know who he is. Would be a typical ballsy move, and an interesting return to sponsoring RTS gaming for him, but the thread seems pretty much to confirm the company in question is Intel - and that makes sense considering they sponsored GSL1, but (I assume) declined/were outbid on GSL2.
Is Intel really new on the korean market? Sony Ericsson is sponsoring GSL beacuse they are pushing in on the korean market, perhaps its them?
BoxeR, who is currently doing very well in GomTV's GSL, a multinational company -- recently entered the Korean market -- only known as "I" have offered to provide a personal sponsorship of 200 million won, and full details in regards to this contract will be released soon.
I was going to post that Boxer getting a personal sponsorship was bad for the development of the SC2 scene in Korea (which was really helped by proleague aka teams), but in the second paragraph it says he is getting money to start a team to (unless that is a miss translation), negating my point.
Now my only thought is Boxer is going to be the father of 3 progaming teams now.
This is just great. Awesome for Boxer and the team there will be. "Finally" you can say that SC2 is doing pretty well in Korea, if this goes as planned!
Wondering who are joining the team afterwards. Ex-progamers, like iloveoov would be pretty bad ass.
On November 03 2010 21:52 Jiddra wrote: Is Intel really new on the korean market? Sony Ericsson is sponsoring GSL beacuse they are pushing in on the korean market, perhaps its them?
BoxeR, who is currently doing very well in GomTV's GSL, a multinational company -- recently entered the Korean market -- only known as "I" have offered to provide a personal sponsorship of 200 million won, and full details in regards to this contract will be released soon.
yeah its probably not intel.
i think we should ask some korean if theres a company that suddenly appears on tv often and so on. it could be every company...
On November 03 2010 22:10 Kraz.Del wrote: Doesn't boxer have enough money by now? Esports would be more helped by giving more pro gamers a stable source of money.
I doubt boxer is using all the money for himself, If he is interested in making a team with a sponsor. Part of that money will go to the team i would assume. At least what you could believe after reading and listening how passionate Boxer is for Esports.
On November 03 2010 15:37 jacen wrote: Boxer will probably snatch TLO and cool as they seem to be highly innovative and this is worth much until legacy of rhe void comes along.
TLO did say in a interview he is pretty loyal to TL, don't think he would leave....Fruit dealer made TSL with Tester so I don't think he would leave either.
Didn't Oov express desire to move onto SC2? I wouldn't be suprised if BoxeR and iloveoov formed a SC2 team.
Technically, IBM has been in the Korean market for a while, albeit through joint ventures. In any case, not very surprising that Boxer can command that kind of cash.
I'm not so suprised actually, I was sort of expecting this. When you are the emperor you can't just join any mortal team. Looking forward what this can bring to e-sport scene! :D
this good start for the SC2. 200 mil for Boxer + 300 mil for a team thats 440k$ + the GSL prizes the esport scene for SC2 is growing fast. more and more money will continue to flow which will lead to very entertaining SC2 scene.
As soon as big multinational corporations get involved I fully expect that the big Korean corporations will start to wonder if they're really missing out on an opportunity for the future of e-Sports.
Super happy for Boxer and I hope this deal gets finalized so we can all oogle over Boxer's new SC2 team. Father of e-Sports indeed!
Am i the only one thats shocked at how low that is? According to wikipedia boxer was making over twice that amount annually in BW. People get paid more for endorsements in 30 second ad spots.
On November 04 2010 08:23 Hakker wrote: Am i the only one thats shocked at how low that is? According to wikipedia boxer was making over twice that amount annually in BW. People get paid more for endorsements in 30 second ad spots.
Yeah, but that was combined prize money, multiple sponsorships and team salary. This is a bit less than half of his PEAK INCOME from a single sponsor.
On November 04 2010 08:23 Hakker wrote: Am i the only one thats shocked at how low that is? According to wikipedia boxer was making over twice that amount annually in BW. People get paid more for endorsements in 30 second ad spots.
Yeah, they originally made the offer to me and I told them I don't log on to BNet for less than $200k.
On November 03 2010 18:14 Brian333 wrote: I think this should be added to the opening post
And If Intel is really sponsoring BoxeR, they should name their next processor after him, haha. Core iBoxeR. It can have 32 cores for gosu multitasking.
On November 04 2010 08:23 Hakker wrote: Am i the only one thats shocked at how low that is? According to wikipedia boxer was making over twice that amount annually in BW. People get paid more for endorsements in 30 second ad spots.
Yeah, they originally made the offer to me and I told them I don't log on to BNet for less than $200k.
Fucking cheapskates.
If any world-renowned sportsman had a salary of less than the high end of 6 figures it would be considered a travesty. We're talking about arguably the most successful and influential player of all time. It would be as if Babe Ruth came back from the dead and decided to play for the marlins.
You cannot compare the salary of a professional athlete in a billion dollar sport to a progamer. I also would bet that any athlete in Korea is making no where near that amount of money. Sports is one of America's largest money makers. Professional athletes make a million times more than athletes in most other countries.
Maybe he'll sign FoxeR. He seems to really respect his play in interviews. Or maybe he'll only go for big dogs.
On November 04 2010 08:49 ultramafia wrote: You cannot compare the salary of a professional athlete in a billion dollar sport to a progamer. I also would bet that any athlete in Korea is making no where near that amount of money. Sports is one of America's largest money makers. Professional athletes make a million times more than athletes in most other countries.
Maybe he'll sign FoxeR. He seems to really respect his play in interviews. Or maybe he'll only go for big dogs.
Kim Yuna' is making millions of dollars as a korean figure skater? Also its called e-sports for a reason, there are enough people outside the scene insulting it and calling it "just a game" not a legitimate "sport". If everyone had an attitude like you, looking to cap a salary at such a low amount no one would have the ambition to amount to be anything.
KeSPA officially announced they retired BoxeR from progamer status. Now he's "Amateur" status.
As a result, BoxeR will not be able to come to any KeSPA-sponsored progames for 3 years, and will not be able to re-acquire progamer status for a year.
I failed to understand this bullshit rule from KeSPA. When a progamer retired, he would be denied any chance of coming back within 3 years if he ever changed his mind? This stupid, illogical rule serves no purpose but to scare the current progamers from moving away from SCBW. It's just sad to see KeSPA resorting to this kind of terrorizing tactics to maintain their power.
Boxer and Nada were the golden boys of SCBW who contributed greatly to make KeSPA what it is today, and this is how they honour them when they decide to move on (with completely valid reasons)? What a fucking disgrace. I hope Flash, Jaedong, Bisu and other SCBW progamers look at how KeSPA treated its best ex-progamers and learn a thing or two for themselves.
On November 03 2010 14:15 HollowLord wrote: That's AWESOME.
Personally, my hopes for BoxeR's team is that he won't just get a bunch of old pros. My hope is that he'll spend that money to scout NEW talent, younger guys.
Yeah because BoxeR has never scouted out new talent that turns into the best terran in the world and beats him in the EVER 2004 OSL finals *rolleyes*
And that's a bad thing? Boxer scouting new players gives us people like Iloveoov who can help evolve the game.
Your lack of reading comprehension disturbs me.
Ohhhhhhhhhh, now I get it. Right, forget I said anything.
On November 04 2010 08:49 ultramafia wrote: You cannot compare the salary of a professional athlete in a billion dollar sport to a progamer. I also would bet that any athlete in Korea is making no where near that amount of money. Sports is one of America's largest money makers. Professional athletes make a million times more than athletes in most other countries.
Maybe he'll sign FoxeR. He seems to really respect his play in interviews. Or maybe he'll only go for big dogs.
Unless I'm vastly overestimating the economic situation of Korea (eg. third-world country-wise), $170,000 is piddly for a national icon and celebrity. Starcraft is the most televised sport in Korea. The industry definitely has the means to pay their players much more than they currently offer. I seriously couldn't even begin to understand the horror of accounting (or stretching of the truth) that must be going on to make Esports an 'Unprofitable Industry' in the words of Kespa.
If the company is indeed Intel, i hope he NEVER gets put through what Fatal1ty has done - if you want to torment yourself, you can search for "fatal1ty tech talk" on youtube...
Would be great if company "I" is in fact company "i" and we get to see Boxer iPod ads! :D
On November 04 2010 10:04 Thrill wrote: Shockingly low... I hope he gets better offers.
If the company is indeed Intel, i hope he NEVER gets put through what Fatal1ty has done - if you want to torment yourself, you can search for "fatal1ty tech talk" on youtube...
Would be great if company "I" is in fact company "i" and we get to see Boxer iPod ads! :D
On November 04 2010 08:49 ultramafia wrote: You cannot compare the salary of a professional athlete in a billion dollar sport to a progamer. I also would bet that any athlete in Korea is making no where near that amount of money. Sports is one of America's largest money makers. Professional athletes make a million times more than athletes in most other countries.
Maybe he'll sign FoxeR. He seems to really respect his play in interviews. Or maybe he'll only go for big dogs.
Unless I'm vastly overestimating the economic situation of Korea (eg. third-world country-wise), $170,000 is piddly for a national icon and celebrity. Starcraft is the most televised sport in Korea. The industry definitely has the means to pay their players much more than they currently offer. I seriously couldn't even begin to understand the horror of accounting (or stretching of the truth) that must be going on to make Esports an 'Unprofitable Industry' in the words of Kespa.
While I'm totally SC fanboi (getting on in the years now..)..
You're vastly overestimating Boxer's status in mainstream Korean culture.
KeSPA officially announced they retired BoxeR from progamer status. Now he's "Amateur" status.
As a result, BoxeR will not be able to come to any KeSPA-sponsored progames for 3 years, and will not be able to re-acquire progamer status for a year.
Or in other words "F!@# you mongolians.....blizzard"
On November 04 2010 08:49 ultramafia wrote: You cannot compare the salary of a professional athlete in a billion dollar sport to a progamer. I also would bet that any athlete in Korea is making no where near that amount of money. Sports is one of America's largest money makers. Professional athletes make a million times more than athletes in most other countries.
Maybe he'll sign FoxeR. He seems to really respect his play in interviews. Or maybe he'll only go for big dogs.
Unless I'm vastly overestimating the economic situation of Korea (eg. third-world country-wise), $170,000 is piddly for a national icon and celebrity. Starcraft is the most televised sport in Korea. The industry definitely has the means to pay their players much more than they currently offer. I seriously couldn't even begin to understand the horror of accounting (or stretching of the truth) that must be going on to make Esports an 'Unprofitable Industry' in the words of Kespa.
While I'm totally SC fanboi (getting on in the years now..)..
You're vastly overestimating Boxer's status in mainstream Korean culture.
I'm not going to try and argue with a korean native (according to your status atleast) regarding korean culture, but i will say that there are not many culuturally relevant people that have DVDs based on their careers, biographies written about them, fan clubs with millions of members and even documentaries being made about them that at the same time make less money than the average doctor.
Usually with a certain level of notability also comes an equal level of compensation.
On November 04 2010 08:49 ultramafia wrote: You cannot compare the salary of a professional athlete in a billion dollar sport to a progamer. I also would bet that any athlete in Korea is making no where near that amount of money. Sports is one of America's largest money makers. Professional athletes make a million times more than athletes in most other countries.
Maybe he'll sign FoxeR. He seems to really respect his play in interviews. Or maybe he'll only go for big dogs.
Kim Yuna' is making millions of dollars as a korean figure skater? Also its called e-sports for a reason, there are enough people outside the scene insulting it and calling it "just a game" not a legitimate "sport". If everyone had an attitude like you, looking to cap a salary at such a low amount no one would have the ambition to amount to be anything.
You have to realize that athletes didn't get paid millions of dollars when the sport was first invented. Basketball easily took 20 years for salaries to reach the 7 digit mark alone. Give esports some time and eventually people will get paid millions of dollars to play. Progaming should be something you want to do, not because people make a shit load of money out of it.
I'm pretty sure that would easily be the greatest team in history, the way they would push each other and develop strategies for Terran would be unbelievable. I think Oov is possible, Nada highly unlikely, Flash impossible... but meh, I can dream.
On November 04 2010 10:53 Wings wrote: Personally I'd like to see the following team.
Boxer / Oov / Nada / Flash
I'm pretty sure that would easily be the greatest team in history, the way they would push each other and develop strategies for Terran would be unbelievable. I think Oov is possible, Nada highly unlikely, Flash impossible... but meh, I can dream.
Imagine just how much they would change about TvT just by doing stuff in-house O.O
On November 04 2010 08:49 ultramafia wrote: You cannot compare the salary of a professional athlete in a billion dollar sport to a progamer. I also would bet that any athlete in Korea is making no where near that amount of money. Sports is one of America's largest money makers. Professional athletes make a million times more than athletes in most other countries.
Maybe he'll sign FoxeR. He seems to really respect his play in interviews. Or maybe he'll only go for big dogs.
Unless I'm vastly overestimating the economic situation of Korea (eg. third-world country-wise), $170,000 is piddly for a national icon and celebrity. Starcraft is the most televised sport in Korea. The industry definitely has the means to pay their players much more than they currently offer. I seriously couldn't even begin to understand the horror of accounting (or stretching of the truth) that must be going on to make Esports an 'Unprofitable Industry' in the words of Kespa.
While I'm totally SC fanboi (getting on in the years now..)..
You're vastly overestimating Boxer's status in mainstream Korean culture.
I'm not going to try and argue with a korean native (according to your status atleast) regarding korean culture, There are not many culuturally relevant people that have DVDs based on their careers, biographies written about them, fan clubs with millions of members and even documentaries being made about them that make less money than the average doctor.
Usually with a certain level of notability also comes an equal level of compensation.
You're right. Boxer had all those things. I hate to play the devil's advocate in this case because I've played starcraft since vanilla and followed e-sports since its infant stages... but Boxer is a famous icon.... in a very niche market. Yes, he is the most famous professional gamer. Yes, many people will have at least heard of him in passing.
However, I still stand by my statement that Boxer's influence on mainstream Korean culture is very limited, and I think most Koreans will agree with me on this.
Nonetheless! The KRW200mn that Boxer will potentially receive pales in comparison to the amount that professional sports stars make in the US.. but it's a sizeable sum by Korean standards. (Unfortunately, our sports culture is a bit lagging.. which is one of the biggest complaints I have about living in Korea. With the possible exception of baseball, all of our focus is on national competitions)
KeSPA officially announced they retired BoxeR from progamer status. Now he's "Amateur" status.
As a result, BoxeR will not be able to come to any KeSPA-sponsored progames for 3 years, and will not be able to re-acquire progamer status for a year.
Or in other words "F!@# you mongolians.....blizzard"
I think that was a little misleading..
According to the KeSPA website, they did announce the retirement of Boxer from professional status.. however, it says that it was done at the request of the team (SKT1) and the player himself. That's a little different than KeSPA forcing retirement.
On November 04 2010 08:49 ultramafia wrote: You cannot compare the salary of a professional athlete in a billion dollar sport to a progamer. I also would bet that any athlete in Korea is making no where near that amount of money. Sports is one of America's largest money makers. Professional athletes make a million times more than athletes in most other countries.
Maybe he'll sign FoxeR. He seems to really respect his play in interviews. Or maybe he'll only go for big dogs.
Unless I'm vastly overestimating the economic situation of Korea (eg. third-world country-wise), $170,000 is piddly for a national icon and celebrity. Starcraft is the most televised sport in Korea. The industry definitely has the means to pay their players much more than they currently offer. I seriously couldn't even begin to understand the horror of accounting (or stretching of the truth) that must be going on to make Esports an 'Unprofitable Industry' in the words of Kespa.
Wow this is no where near what i said. 170,000 salary for an e-sport that literally came out in august. Starcraft may be the most televised sport in Korea but Starcraft II is not. Advertisers for professional basketball literally pay millions. They didn't when basketball was first being played professionally.
On November 04 2010 08:49 ultramafia wrote: You cannot compare the salary of a professional athlete in a billion dollar sport to a progamer. I also would bet that any athlete in Korea is making no where near that amount of money. Sports is one of America's largest money makers. Professional athletes make a million times more than athletes in most other countries.
Maybe he'll sign FoxeR. He seems to really respect his play in interviews. Or maybe he'll only go for big dogs.
Kim Yuna' is making millions of dollars as a korean figure skater? Also its called e-sports for a reason, there are enough people outside the scene insulting it and calling it "just a game" not a legitimate "sport". If everyone had an attitude like you, looking to cap a salary at such a low amount no one would have the ambition to amount to be anything.
How does me thinking 170,000 USD is a good salary for a Starcraft II progamer before the first official season has even started qualify as insulting e-sports. These GSL tournaments are preliminaries and the game was released in august. I'm sorry but i doubt my "attitude" has anything to do with the legitimacy of e-sports outside of the scene.
On November 04 2010 08:49 ultramafia wrote: You cannot compare the salary of a professional athlete in a billion dollar sport to a progamer. I also would bet that any athlete in Korea is making no where near that amount of money. Sports is one of America's largest money makers. Professional athletes make a million times more than athletes in most other countries.
Maybe he'll sign FoxeR. He seems to really respect his play in interviews. Or maybe he'll only go for big dogs.
Kim Yuna' is making millions of dollars as a korean figure skater? Also its called e-sports for a reason, there are enough people outside the scene insulting it and calling it "just a game" not a legitimate "sport". If everyone had an attitude like you, looking to cap a salary at such a low amount no one would have the ambition to amount to be anything.
You have to realize that athletes didn't get paid millions of dollars when the sport was first invented. Basketball easily took 20 years for salaries to reach the 7 digit mark alone. Give esports some time and eventually people will get paid millions of dollars to play. Progaming should be something you want to do, not because people make a shit load of money out of it.
dude i totally agree, my post isnt actually relavent to the point you are trying to make. It was a response to a previous post saying that u cant compare professional athletes to progamers and in turn u cant compare progamers to korean athletes.
Kim Yuna' is making millions of dollars as a korean figure skater? Also its called e-sports for a reason, there are enough people outside the scene insulting it and calling it "just a game" not a legitimate "sport". If everyone had an attitude like you, looking to cap a salary at such a low amount no one would have the ambition to amount to be anything.
How does me thinking 170,000 USD is a good salary for a Starcraft II progamer before the first official season has even started qualify as insulting e-sports. These GSL tournaments are preliminaries and the game was released in august. I'm sorry but i doubt my "attitude" has anything to do with the legitimacy of e-sports outside of the scene.
You do not say anywhere that you think 170k is a good salary for sc2 progaming. However you do talk about how progaming cant compare to "professional sports" and you clearly have no idea how much korean athletes earn i would take your "bet" in a heartbeat
On November 04 2010 08:49 ultramafia wrote: You cannot compare the salary of a professional athlete in a billion dollar sport to a progamer. I also would bet that any athlete in Korea is making no where near that amount of money. Sports is one of America's largest money makers. Professional athletes make a million times more than athletes in most other countries.
Maybe he'll sign FoxeR. He seems to really respect his play in interviews. Or maybe he'll only go for big dogs.
Kim Yuna' is making millions of dollars as a korean figure skater? Also its called e-sports for a reason, there are enough people outside the scene insulting it and calling it "just a game" not a legitimate "sport". If everyone had an attitude like you, looking to cap a salary at such a low amount no one would have the ambition to amount to be anything.
You have to realize that athletes didn't get paid millions of dollars when the sport was first invented. Basketball easily took 20 years for salaries to reach the 7 digit mark alone. Give esports some time and eventually people will get paid millions of dollars to play. Progaming should be something you want to do, not because people make a shit load of money out of it.
dude i totally agree, my post isnt actually relavent to the point you are trying to make. It was a response to a previous post saying that u cant compare professional athletes to progamers and in turn u cant compare progamers to korean athletes.
Kim Yuna' is making millions of dollars as a korean figure skater? Also its called e-sports for a reason, there are enough people outside the scene insulting it and calling it "just a game" not a legitimate "sport". If everyone had an attitude like you, looking to cap a salary at such a low amount no one would have the ambition to amount to be anything.
How does me thinking 170,000 USD is a good salary for a Starcraft II progamer before the first official season has even started qualify as insulting e-sports. These GSL tournaments are preliminaries and the game was released in august. I'm sorry but i doubt my "attitude" has anything to do with the legitimacy of e-sports outside of the scene.
You do not say anywhere that you think 170k is a good salary for sc2 progaming. However you do talk about how progaming cant compare to "professional sports" and you clearly have no idea how much korean athletes earn i would take your "bet" in a heartbeat
the whole point to my post was that 170k was a good salary and the idea that this "low" salary was holding e-sports back was, in my opinion, ridiculous. I didn't say progaming can't compare to professional sports, i said the amount of money earned cannot be compared. And Kim Yuna was the 2nd highest paid athlete even competing in the Winter Olympics. She owns her own skating company and is a world wide figure skating icon. I am sorry i did not consider this to be the standard for compensation for professional athletes in Korea.
Korean professional sports is kind of sad because the associations only support the ones that are popular.
Figure skating has been all but plainly ignored until Kim Yuna showed up. The skating association of Korea never did anything to help Kim Yuna to get to where she is.
And they had the balls to take cuts from her prize money.
On November 04 2010 08:49 ultramafia wrote: You cannot compare the salary of a professional athlete in a billion dollar sport to a progamer. I also would bet that any athlete in Korea is making no where near that amount of money. Sports is one of America's largest money makers. Professional athletes make a million times more than athletes in most other countries.
Maybe he'll sign FoxeR. He seems to really respect his play in interviews. Or maybe he'll only go for big dogs.
Unless I'm vastly overestimating the economic situation of Korea (eg. third-world country-wise), $170,000 is piddly for a national icon and celebrity. Starcraft is the most televised sport in Korea. The industry definitely has the means to pay their players much more than they currently offer. I seriously couldn't even begin to understand the horror of accounting (or stretching of the truth) that must be going on to make Esports an 'Unprofitable Industry' in the words of Kespa.
While I'm totally SC fanboi (getting on in the years now..)..
You're vastly overestimating Boxer's status in mainstream Korean culture.
I'm not going to try and argue with a korean native (according to your status atleast) regarding korean culture, There are not many culuturally relevant people that have DVDs based on their careers, biographies written about them, fan clubs with millions of members and even documentaries being made about them that make less money than the average doctor.
Usually with a certain level of notability also comes an equal level of compensation.
You're right. Boxer had all those things. I hate to play the devil's advocate in this case because I've played starcraft since vanilla and followed e-sports since its infant stages... but Boxer is a famous icon.... in a very niche market. Yes, he is the most famous professional gamer. Yes, many people will have at least heard of him in passing.
However, I still stand by my statement that Boxer's influence on mainstream Korean culture is very limited, and I think most Koreans will agree with me on this.
Nonetheless! The KRW200mn that Boxer will potentially receive pales in comparison to the amount that professional sports stars make in the US.. but it's a sizeable sum by Korean standards. (Unfortunately, our sports culture is a bit lagging.. which is one of the biggest complaints I have about living in Korea. With the possible exception of baseball, all of our focus is on national competitions)
hey you know what would bring sc2 in the main stream.
KeSPA officially announced they retired BoxeR from progamer status. Now he's "Amateur" status.
As a result, BoxeR will not be able to come to any KeSPA-sponsored progames for 3 years, and will not be able to re-acquire progamer status for a year.
Or in other words "F!@# you mongolians.....blizzard"
I think that was a little misleading..
According to the KeSPA website, they did announce the retirement of Boxer from professional status.. however, it says that it was done at the request of the team (SKT1) and the player himself. That's a little different than KeSPA forcing retirement.
Yes, he has to request retirement or else he is still bound by his contract and is expected to sign another contract. In any fashion, this is a kespa rule that applies to everyone and it's a retarded one. It's a way of ensuring a monopoly on the best players.
On November 04 2010 10:53 Wings wrote: Personally I'd like to see the following team.
Boxer / Oov / Nada / Flash
I'm pretty sure that would easily be the greatest team in history, the way they would push each other and develop strategies for Terran would be unbelievable. I think Oov is possible, Nada highly unlikely, Flash impossible... but meh, I can dream.
ya and blizzard would be nerfing Terran like no one's business ...
Progamers will receive salaries on the level of professional sports when e-Sports starts raking in as much money. No BW programer that I'm aware of has a salary much above ~$300k, so $200k is quite a decent amount.
Any claims that it is a travesty that Boxer's not raking in millions must not understand that sports are a business. It's not like professional baseball/basketball/football/etc. players here in the U.S. receive huge salaries because it is their 'fair share'.
KeSPA officially announced they retired BoxeR from progamer status. Now he's "Amateur" status.
As a result, BoxeR will not be able to come to any KeSPA-sponsored progames for 3 years, and will not be able to re-acquire progamer status for a year.
Or in other words "F!@# you mongolians.....blizzard"
I think that was a little misleading..
According to the KeSPA website, they did announce the retirement of Boxer from professional status.. however, it says that it was done at the request of the team (SKT1) and the player himself. That's a little different than KeSPA forcing retirement.
Yes, he has to request retirement or else he is still bound by his contract and is expected to sign another contract. In any fashion, this is a kespa rule that applies to everyone and it's a retarded one. It's a way of ensuring a monopoly on the best players.
Hoooray for baseless assumptions that demonise KeSPA!
This isn't the right place to post this, but hte Blizzard TOU agreement and suing korean tournaments is locked. I just wanted to say that I think there is a colorable counterclaim against Blizzard for antitrust violations.
KeSPA officially announced they retired BoxeR from progamer status. Now he's "Amateur" status.
As a result, BoxeR will not be able to come to any KeSPA-sponsored progames for 3 years, and will not be able to re-acquire progamer status for a year.
Or in other words "F!@# you mongolians.....blizzard"
I think that was a little misleading..
According to the KeSPA website, they did announce the retirement of Boxer from professional status.. however, it says that it was done at the request of the team (SKT1) and the player himself. That's a little different than KeSPA forcing retirement.
Yes, he has to request retirement or else he is still bound by his contract and is expected to sign another contract. In any fashion, this is a kespa rule that applies to everyone and it's a retarded one. It's a way of ensuring a monopoly on the best players.
Hoooray for baseless assumptions that demonise KeSPA!
that's the basis of about every argument presented in the threads relating to this whole Kespa/Gom/Blizzard fiasco to date. Just swap around the names at will. :/
I hope he uses some of the money to make his own team, SC2 could still use a couple more elite level teams, how awesome would it be to have boxer at the head of one of them. (ps: recruit Cella and Phoenix!!!)
On November 04 2010 13:25 TheGiftedApe wrote: I hope he uses some of the money to make his own team, SC2 could still use a couple more elite level teams, how awesome would it be to have boxer at the head of one of them. (ps: recruit Cella and Phoenix!!!)
"It is understood that corporation "I" would sponsor BoxeR personally for 200 million won, then use 300 million won for the management of a team, for total of 500 million won used for a StarCraft 2 game team."
On November 04 2010 08:49 ultramafia wrote: You cannot compare the salary of a professional athlete in a billion dollar sport to a progamer. I also would bet that any athlete in Korea is making no where near that amount of money. Sports is one of America's largest money makers. Professional athletes make a million times more than athletes in most other countries.
Maybe he'll sign FoxeR. He seems to really respect his play in interviews. Or maybe he'll only go for big dogs.
Unless I'm vastly overestimating the economic situation of Korea (eg. third-world country-wise), $170,000 is piddly for a national icon and celebrity. Starcraft is the most televised sport in Korea. The industry definitely has the means to pay their players much more than they currently offer. I seriously couldn't even begin to understand the horror of accounting (or stretching of the truth) that must be going on to make Esports an 'Unprofitable Industry' in the words of Kespa.
While I'm totally SC fanboi (getting on in the years now..)..
You're vastly overestimating Boxer's status in mainstream Korean culture.
I'm not going to try and argue with a korean native (according to your status atleast) regarding korean culture, There are not many culuturally relevant people that have DVDs based on their careers, biographies written about them, fan clubs with millions of members and even documentaries being made about them that make less money than the average doctor.
Usually with a certain level of notability also comes an equal level of compensation.
You're right. Boxer had all those things. I hate to play the devil's advocate in this case because I've played starcraft since vanilla and followed e-sports since its infant stages... but Boxer is a famous icon.... in a very niche market. Yes, he is the most famous professional gamer. Yes, many people will have at least heard of him in passing.
However, I still stand by my statement that Boxer's influence on mainstream Korean culture is very limited, and I think most Koreans will agree with me on this.
Nonetheless! The KRW200mn that Boxer will potentially receive pales in comparison to the amount that professional sports stars make in the US.. but it's a sizeable sum by Korean standards. (Unfortunately, our sports culture is a bit lagging.. which is one of the biggest complaints I have about living in Korea. With the possible exception of baseball, all of our focus is on national competitions)
hey you know what would bring sc2 in the main stream.
if kim hyungjun from ss501 joined boxer's team.
/whistles by
LOL. That would definitely help solidify SC2's position as main stream
On November 04 2010 12:04 Selith wrote: Korean professional sports is kind of sad because the associations only support the ones that are popular.
Figure skating has been all but plainly ignored until Kim Yuna showed up. The skating association of Korea never did anything to help Kim Yuna to get to where she is.
And they had the balls to take cuts from her prize money.
;p
Just wanted to comment on this quote. I fully agree about this and how Korea is with sports and anything that's professional. They will typical ignore it until someone famous or worthwhile shows up to be famous and then the association, corporation or Korea in general will then push it to make it even more famous and call it a Korean pride jewel.
That's what happened with figure skating recently in Korea, soccer back in 2002 World Cup (soccer wasn't well known in Korea before then until Korea got 4th place and now it's like the most popular sport), baseball (World Baseball Classic and Olympics), and now Starcraft 2.....
I guess in a way, it's good now that BoxeR was able to bring SC2 to a big media attention since now it's only going to go uphill for SC2...
In reality, winning the GSL is not necessarily better than winning the OSL from a monetary point of view. Despite GSL tripled the prize amount, winning an OSL means bonus from the team sponsor and greater leverage in negotiating for the next contract
Just stating the obvious, but for SC2 to move forward, we need to see big sponsors with well known names laying down the big bucks and stay in it with the intention of long term commitment like SKT and KT.
For Boxer to get a sponsorship so quickly, it is good step forward. What Boxer needs to be careful of is how the contract is written and how long the association between "i" and Boxer lasts.
On November 04 2010 12:04 Selith wrote: Korean professional sports is kind of sad because the associations only support the ones that are popular.
Figure skating has been all but plainly ignored until Kim Yuna showed up. The skating association of Korea never did anything to help Kim Yuna to get to where she is.
And they had the balls to take cuts from her prize money.
;p
Just wanted to comment on this quote. I fully agree about this and how Korea is with sports and anything that's professional. They will typical ignore it until someone famous or worthwhile shows up to be famous and then the association, corporation or Korea in general will then push it to make it even more famous and call it a Korean pride jewel.
That's what happened with figure skating recently in Korea, soccer back in 2002 World Cup (soccer wasn't well known in Korea before then until Korea got 4th place and now it's like the most popular sport), baseball (World Baseball Classic and Olympics), and now Starcraft 2.....
I guess in a way, it's good now that BoxeR was able to bring SC2 to a big media attention since now it's only going to go uphill for SC2...
Baseball was always very popular here and is till this day the most established professional sport in Korea. Soccer is only really popular every 4 years (World Cup... but during the world cup things are *crazy*).
Starcraft2 is still just a video game (albeit a very very famous one).. my hope is that one day it will truly be considered a sport and become main stream.. so that we can have starcraft results shown during the evening news on MBC (or any of the other major channels )
On November 04 2010 12:04 Selith wrote: Korean professional sports is kind of sad because the associations only support the ones that are popular.
Figure skating has been all but plainly ignored until Kim Yuna showed up. The skating association of Korea never did anything to help Kim Yuna to get to where she is.
And they had the balls to take cuts from her prize money.
;p
Just wanted to comment on this quote. I fully agree about this and how Korea is with sports and anything that's professional. They will typical ignore it until someone famous or worthwhile shows up to be famous and then the association, corporation or Korea in general will then push it to make it even more famous and call it a Korean pride jewel.
That's what happened with figure skating recently in Korea, soccer back in 2002 World Cup (soccer wasn't well known in Korea before then until Korea got 4th place and now it's like the most popular sport), baseball (World Baseball Classic and Olympics), and now Starcraft 2.....
I guess in a way, it's good now that BoxeR was able to bring SC2 to a big media attention since now it's only going to go uphill for SC2...
It's interesting because when he started it was a 100% team mentality for Boxer. Back when SC1 started he refused to take individual sponsorships, insisting that the whole team be taken care of. Several players were like this and allowed the sport to grow rather than thrive on the success of one or two players.
It's interesting that Boxer's willing to take an individual sponsorship in this scenario; he could just as easily form a team and do exactly the same thing and make Korea absolutely dominate SC2 like they did SC1. Once they have players go pro and are able to game full time they're just going to dominate the scene.
On November 04 2010 14:05 QuickStriker wrote: That's what happened with figure skating recently in Korea, soccer back in 2002 World Cup (soccer wasn't well known in Korea before then until Korea got 4th place and now it's like the most popular sport), baseball (World Baseball Classic and Olympics), and now Starcraft 2.....
/double facepalm When you know someone is wrong but they don't
On November 04 2010 12:04 Selith wrote: Korean professional sports is kind of sad because the associations only support the ones that are popular.
Figure skating has been all but plainly ignored until Kim Yuna showed up. The skating association of Korea never did anything to help Kim Yuna to get to where she is.
And they had the balls to take cuts from her prize money.
;p
Just wanted to comment on this quote. I fully agree about this and how Korea is with sports and anything that's professional. They will typical ignore it until someone famous or worthwhile shows up to be famous and then the association, corporation or Korea in general will then push it to make it even more famous and call it a Korean pride jewel.
That's what happened with figure skating recently in Korea, soccer back in 2002 World Cup (soccer wasn't well known in Korea before then until Korea got 4th place and now it's like the most popular sport), baseball (World Baseball Classic and Olympics), and now Starcraft 2.....
I guess in a way, it's good now that BoxeR was able to bring SC2 to a big media attention since now it's only going to go uphill for SC2...
It's interesting because when he started it was a 100% team mentality for Boxer. Back when SC1 started he refused to take individual sponsorships, insisting that the whole team be taken care of. Several players were like this and allowed the sport to grow rather than thrive on the success of one or two players.
It's interesting that Boxer's willing to take an individual sponsorship in this scenario; he could just as easily form a team and do exactly the same thing and make Korea absolutely dominate SC2 like they did SC1. Once they have players go pro and are able to game full time they're just going to dominate the scene.
And we see how that turned out. He ended up being under the umbrella of an organization (KeSPA) that controlled his every move (gaming-wise). It sounds like this way he gets to have his cake and eat it too. He's obviously going to create a team. He wouldn't be able to be competitive in the long run if he didn't have a solid group of practice partners surrounding him.
On November 04 2010 14:05 QuickStriker wrote: That's what happened with figure skating recently in Korea, soccer back in 2002 World Cup (soccer wasn't well known in Korea before then until Korea got 4th place and now it's like the most popular sport), baseball (World Baseball Classic and Olympics), and now Starcraft 2.....
Quickstriker, you have no idea what you are talking about. Soccer has always been the most popular team sport in Korea for much of the 20th century. Please don't make stuff up because you are just embarassing yourself.
Awesome news, really looking forward to see Boxer form a new Team with some old names and some new talents. And I agree that it would be awesome if some really new company (for eSports) would make an appearance here .. IKEA fighting!
But seriously, I think that the creator of korean e-sports should get more special treatment than that... So what if his new contract will come into conflict with his contract with SKT... They can make exceptions??? It's Lim Yo Hwan for fucking sakes.... lol
On November 04 2010 21:10 madcow305 wrote: Funny how people are making fun of FPS games, when FPS has always been the most popular genre of esport outside Korea.
Quake, Counterstrike, Halo, Unreal Tournament, etc. have always had more leagues and tournaments than RTS games.
Heck, even fighting games like Street Fighter and Tekken are probably more popular outside Korea than RTS.
Who would ever make fun of Quake? That's the manliest game only second to starcraft. Halo is a bunch of crap held together by the brittle "mess" off a generation born too late. FPS games have their place in e-sports, I just wished it was something other than Halo...
On November 03 2010 14:21 Protoss_Carrier wrote: or you can just go to medical school, much easier way make that 170k.
20000 medical student each year, only one boxer. Boxer needs to get more.
But the value attached to doctors and highly educated professionals in general is greater than that associated to a Starcraft player, regardless of how good he is.
Well seeing how every time he has played a single game in the GSL or Blizzcon, all the free servers have had issues or crashed. That's a LOT of potential ad dollars in the "premium" range of 18-30 range.
His salary pays itself off =). However... New SC2 team with BoxeR as a backing... Fun times ahead!
on a side note, this thread makes me feel like the korean won needs to be divided by 100 or something. 200 million won for an amount that doesn't even equate past six figures in any other major currency bar the yen (eur/gbp/greenback ... even in the yuan it just barely makes it over 1 million, but that currency's mostly fixed anyway) seems a bit silly.
even by 10 would seem a bit reasonable. jsut thinking after 20 years of even standard inflation of around 1-3% would make prices start to sound absurd. next few generations will need to be the equivalent of 'wealthy' just to buy a coke.
(for another topic, can someone put up a price comparison of standard shopping items/luxuries)
On November 05 2010 00:19 k!llua wrote: on a side note, this thread makes me feel like the korean won needs to be divided by 100 or something. 200 million won for an amount that doesn't even equate past six figures in any other major currency bar the yen (eur/gbp/greenback ... even in the yuan it just barely makes it over 1 million, but that currency's mostly fixed anyway) seems a bit silly.
even by 10 would seem a bit reasonable. jsut thinking after 20 years of even standard inflation of around 1-3% would make prices start to sound absurd. next few generations will need to be the equivalent of 'wealthy' just to buy a coke.
(for another topic, can someone put up a price comparison of standard shopping items/luxuries)
Equivalent of "wealthy"? The only reason you feel this way is because you live (apparently) in Australia and are used to the Australian dollar. The number of figures has no meaning whatsoever. Buying a cup of coffee at starbucks in the morning for KRW 4000 feels just as normal as it did buying a cup of coffee for USD 3.00 when I was in the States.
I weigh about 70kg.. which would be about 150pounds. That would be like me saying they should divide pound denominations by 2 because I would be the equivalent of "fat". (I realize this analogy isn't perfect .. FX rates change.. but you get the idea).
On November 03 2010 14:21 Protoss_Carrier wrote: or you can just go to medical school, much easier way make that 170k.
20000 medical student each year, only one boxer. Boxer needs to get more.
But the value attached to doctors and highly educated professionals in general is greater than that associated to a Starcraft player, regardless of how good he is.
Can't fault a guy who makes that kind of money by playing video games. Living the dream of every teenage male out there...
On November 03 2010 14:21 Protoss_Carrier wrote: or you can just go to medical school, much easier way make that 170k.
20000 medical student each year, only one boxer. Boxer needs to get more.
But the value attached to doctors and highly educated professionals in general is greater than that associated to a Starcraft player, regardless of how good he is.
I'm pretty sure Boxer can cure cancer by bunker rushing you, no joke.
Can't knock a man for making a living out of something he loves to do. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of nurses and lawyers who love the money but hate the job.
Plus I'm pretty sure lawyers and doctors don't get korean fangirls. :D
200 million won for how long a contract? It is a lot of money but if its spread out over a 3 year term, its actually not that much. Also, what is the implication now that BoxeR's progamer status has been temporarily revoked? Does that mean he can't compete in Korean-sanctioned competitions, thus hurting his chances of scoring a contract? I would hate to see him be out of the competition due to his license...
On November 05 2010 02:13 Mystgun wrote: 200 million won for how long a contract? It is a lot of money but if its spread out over a 3 year term, its actually not that much. Also, what is the implication now that BoxeR's progamer status has been temporarily revoked? Does that mean he can't compete in Korean-sanctioned competitions, thus hurting his chances of scoring a contract? I would hate to see him be out of the competition due to his license...
If i got it correctly he is just no BW progamer any more and can't do shit related to SC:BW anymore. In SC2 he can do what he wants.
While that's alot of money, that still seems woefully underpaid for how much he means to Korean E-Sports. 180K is less than what the worst paid players get paid in any professional sport. I mean, minor league baseball players sometimes are paid more than that.
On November 05 2010 02:55 Accidentus wrote: While that's alot of money, that still seems woefully underpaid for how much he means to Korean E-Sports. 180K is less than what the worst paid players get paid in any professional sport. I mean, minor league baseball players sometimes are paid more than that.
Well this type of professional sport doesn't have millions and millions of viewers and huge arenas seating thousands of people for it. It's just fundamentally smaller. Having said that I think that much of a base salary is pretty standard but not over the top. He will likely make a lot more money by doing ads and things like that.
alright looks like Sc 2 isn't going to down die after all, thank you God for bring Boxer to esports.. he will bring more up and coming revolutionaries in our beloved game! ^^
On November 04 2010 12:04 Selith wrote: Korean professional sports is kind of sad because the associations only support the ones that are popular.
Figure skating has been all but plainly ignored until Kim Yuna showed up. The skating association of Korea never did anything to help Kim Yuna to get to where she is.
And they had the balls to take cuts from her prize money.
;p
Just wanted to comment on this quote. I fully agree about this and how Korea is with sports and anything that's professional. They will typical ignore it until someone famous or worthwhile shows up to be famous and then the association, corporation or Korea in general will then push it to make it even more famous and call it a Korean pride jewel.
That's what happened with figure skating recently in Korea, soccer back in 2002 World Cup (soccer wasn't well known in Korea before then until Korea got 4th place and now it's like the most popular sport), baseball (World Baseball Classic and Olympics), and now Starcraft 2.....
I guess in a way, it's good now that BoxeR was able to bring SC2 to a big media attention since now it's only going to go uphill for SC2...
It's interesting because when he started it was a 100% team mentality for Boxer. Back when SC1 started he refused to take individual sponsorships, insisting that the whole team be taken care of. Several players were like this and allowed the sport to grow rather than thrive on the success of one or two players.
It's interesting that Boxer's willing to take an individual sponsorship in this scenario; he could just as easily form a team and do exactly the same thing and make Korea absolutely dominate SC2 like they did SC1. Once they have players go pro and are able to game full time they're just going to dominate the scene.
And we see how that turned out. He ended up being under the umbrella of an organization (KeSPA) that controlled his every move (gaming-wise). It sounds like this way he gets to have his cake and eat it too. He's obviously going to create a team. He wouldn't be able to be competitive in the long run if he didn't have a solid group of practice partners surrounding him.
Boxer would not be the man he is today if he chose differently. None of the players would be who they are today if Boxer chose differently.
Hey anyone thank Boxer for his support? In the quote you can see that he basically said, "eff you KespA, I'm going to keep playing SC2 AND I also want to keep my progame license! I'm going to support SC2 kthxbai your progame license doesn't even mean much since I play sc2"
Hurray for Boxer!
And hurray for sponsorship! Hopefully he can use that money to further eSports, like make a team or something.
This is amazing. I can't believe that anyone here is surprised though, the man's games crashed the fucking GOMsite. If that doesn't scream "I am the most valuable man in eSports sign me now" I don't know what does.
On November 05 2010 06:21 Rawenkeke wrote: Come on, guys! I is obviously for Iceland, sponsoring boxer will bring economics into their country once again!
lmao
I'm sure his sponsor will reveal themselves eventually, otherwise... what's the point of sponsoring ;]? Unless it's a private first-party who just loves BoxeR and has the wealth to sponsor him out of his own pocket.
On November 05 2010 20:26 LoCaD wrote: so Boxer gets this huge ammount of money, did he stop carring about GSL ,,, and got served 4:0 by Neastea sure seems like it
That's a little bit harsh, in fact I don't think that's true at all, as if he'd not care anymore only being one place away from $25k USD and the chance of taking 1st prize of $80k USD. Boxer said that his TvZ isn't that great and it clearly showed, NesTea bested him.
so Boxer gets this huge ammount of money, did he stop carring about GSL ,,, and got served 4:0 by Neastea sure seems like it
First of all, that's a spoiler. Second of all, Boxer expressed repeatedly that his TvZ is not up to par, especially after the recent Terran nerfs (we all know that Boxer likes his bunker). Third of all, Boxer entered SC2 later than NesTea and most other players participating in the GSL. He still has a learning curve ahead of him. As long as Flash doesn't switch to SC2, I expect great things from Boxer.
Hmmm... I wonder. Wouldn't boxer be managing this team? I heard that the manager of the team is often the worse player because they spend so much time organizing things....
On November 06 2010 16:39 aMaJinG wrote: Hmmm... I wonder. Wouldn't boxer be managing this team? I heard that the manager of the team is often the worse player because they spend so much time organizing things....
Will this mean Boxer won't get enough practice!?!
I really want him to take a GSL....
I can't see some company paying boxer 180,000 USD to call hotels up and cater to other players. "Team manager" takes care of all the hum drum stuff, making sure the house rent is paid, covering taxes, getting passports for international tournies and things like that. They aren't going to pay boxer that much and make him a glorified errand boy.
Boxer's role in the team would be team captain, not team manager.
EPT
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