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David Kim Pre-Blizzcon Interview by PlayXP - Page 2

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Blackrobe
Profile Joined August 2010
United States806 Posts
October 22 2010 05:15 GMT
#21
A Grand Master league? It looks like the "pro league" is finally coming to light. I am really wondering how it will be managed.
"To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future."
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
October 22 2010 05:15 GMT
#22
It's a shame they really are changing top level balance in favor of team play and lower leagues.
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Lumin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States217 Posts
October 22 2010 05:16 GMT
#23
Great interview, thanks for posting.
Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
October 22 2010 05:16 GMT
#24
Grand master ? Ugh...
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/proxywolf
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Wayem
Profile Joined May 2010
France455 Posts
October 22 2010 05:17 GMT
#25
Don't know how you can be confident with this...

2v2 + silver players + "uh, a korean players showed me a replay were VR were imba so we nerfed it lol"

It sounds so... naive.
"who needs micro when you can have more stuff ?" -day9
Zerksys
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States569 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 05:23:02
October 22 2010 05:17 GMT
#26
On October 22 2010 14:14 skindzer wrote:
There should be 2 leagues above diamond.


I agree with this guy. The skill level difference from the top of diamond to the bottom of diamond is almost as big as the skill level difference from diamond to bronze. It's seriously mind blowing the range of players that are in diamond. They should put players into 2 leagues about diamond to give it a better split.


"Also, forward proxy gate Zealot rush was popular for a bit after release. This didn't get much use among the top players, but it was near impossible to stop at silver-level play. So we pondered how to fix this balance issue without affecting top players, and in the end, we decided to increase the time required to build Zealots to get it balanced."

..... Seriously David Kim.... NOTHING and I repeat NOTHING should be done based upon silver level play. It seriously upsets me that changes like the zealot build time nerf was made because silver level players were qqing.

Also the reaper nerfs were nice, but I thought there were a little much (being a zerg player). Now I find out that they were nerfed because of 2v2 play. Great....
What's that probe doing there? It's a scout. You mean one of those flying planes? No....
Altar
Profile Joined May 2008
United States577 Posts
October 22 2010 05:18 GMT
#27
Man I got to get better so I can be a Grand Master of Starcraft!
Heavens to Betsy
Pills
Profile Joined October 2010
206 Posts
October 22 2010 05:19 GMT
#28
Excited about this new league, but "Grand Masters League" sounds really lame. "Masters League" by itself sounds much better.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
October 22 2010 05:19 GMT
#29
On October 22 2010 14:10 frogmelter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2010 14:01 Selith wrote:
A. We take teamplay seriously as well as 1v1. Recent 1.1.2 patch changed Reapers. While Reapers had no problem in 1:1, if you look at the top of the 2:2 team ranks, almost half of them are Terran+Zerg, and they all use Reaperling. This problem is same in NA as well as in Korea. This means that you can't succeed all that well in teamplay unless you play a Terran+Zerg combination, so we try to fix it if the problem is as big as that. If not, then we try to balance around 1:1.

Also, forward proxy gate Zealot rush was popular for a bit after release. This didn't get much use among the top players, but it was near impossible to stop at silver-level play. So we pondered how to fix this balance issue without affecting top players, and in the end, we decided to increase the time required to build Zealots to get it balanced.


Ughhhh

DO NOT WANT

Balanced for silver leagues and team play

Read the bold you made and the underlined i made and stop whining.
Ksi
Profile Joined May 2010
357 Posts
October 22 2010 05:19 GMT
#30
While I appreciate his honestly, it seems kind of distressing that the core of the balance team consists of just three guys (and only one of them plays at a top diamond level). His answers about why the void ray was nerfed and why zealot build time was increased by 5 seconds were pretty face-palm inducing. Granted, the zealot build time increase probably could've been PR spun to be a nerf against two-gate rather than something to nerf proxy gates.
Geniuszerg
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada454 Posts
October 22 2010 05:20 GMT
#31
lol GM league seems so... odd... since at a 2000+ diamond you probably only play people around that skill level anyways, and not lower tier players
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
October 22 2010 05:21 GMT
#32
On October 22 2010 14:17 Zerksys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2010 14:14 skindzer wrote:
There should be 2 leagues above diamond.


I agree with this guy. The skill level difference from the top of diamond to the bottom of diamond is almost as big as the skill level difference from diamond to bronze. It's seriously mind blowing the range of players that are in diamond. They should put players into 2 leagues about diamond to give it a better split.


so what you're saying is keep the grand master league and then adding another one to split top and bottom diamond? there will always be a big discrepancy between the top and the bottom of a league, so will they need to constantly add new leagues?
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
hyped
Profile Joined April 2010
United States135 Posts
October 22 2010 05:22 GMT
#33
for those that don't get the name:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandmaster_(chess)

+ Show Spoiler +
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Master_%28Jedi%29#Ranks
Pills
Profile Joined October 2010
206 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 05:24:58
October 22 2010 05:23 GMT
#34
Btw, I just realized, the name "Grand Masters League" sounds really lame, but since we're looking at a Korean interview, could there be other translations for what he said?

^Yeah, we know what it means, but it sounds much cooler when you call a person a "Grand Master" than calling it a "Grandmaster League".
T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
October 22 2010 05:24 GMT
#35
Wow this interview shits on the "what is your favourite unit" crap that usually is in every other blizzard employee interview!

Really interesting to hear the reason for the vr nerf and im looking forward to seeing the grandmaster league !
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
October 22 2010 05:25 GMT
#36
Thankfully we can now consider the question of whether DKim is the "dayvie" account settled!

Nice interview, thanks for the post.
Zerksys
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States569 Posts
October 22 2010 05:28 GMT
#37
On October 22 2010 14:21 JBright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2010 14:17 Zerksys wrote:
On October 22 2010 14:14 skindzer wrote:
There should be 2 leagues above diamond.


I agree with this guy. The skill level difference from the top of diamond to the bottom of diamond is almost as big as the skill level difference from diamond to bronze. It's seriously mind blowing the range of players that are in diamond. They should put players into 2 leagues about diamond to give it a better split.


so what you're saying is keep the grand master league and then adding another one to split top and bottom diamond? there will always be a big discrepancy between the top and the bottom of a league, so will they need to constantly add new leagues?


No just something that will break diamond up. When you hear that a player is in the silver league, platinum league, or bronze league, you get a general idea about how good of a player the person is. There will be anomalies of course, but most of the people follow a general skill level. With diamond you can't really tell how good people are because there are people in diamond who know how to execute only 1 build order really well and have a basically notion of how to counter things their opponent throws at them. Then you have the people who know how to carry out several build orders, know how to react to their opponent, and know how to play a good late game, then you have the pros all clumped up into one league known as diamond.

I'm not saying that we should keep adding leagues, but the skill gap from the top of diamond to the bottom is HUGE, whereas in the other leagues it's not anywhere near that big.
What's that probe doing there? It's a scout. You mean one of those flying planes? No....
T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
October 22 2010 05:29 GMT
#38
On October 22 2010 14:17 Zerksys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2010 14:14 skindzer wrote:
There should be 2 leagues above diamond.


I agree with this guy. The skill level difference from the top of diamond to the bottom of diamond is almost as big as the skill level difference from diamond to bronze. It's seriously mind blowing the range of players that are in diamond. They should put players into 2 leagues about diamond to give it a better split.


After you remove the top 100 players from diamond and shove them into master league I'm not sure that the remaining diamond players are going to be THAT good to warrant another division within them.
Reesj
Profile Joined August 2010
Sri Lanka47 Posts
October 22 2010 05:29 GMT
#39
On October 22 2010 14:10 frogmelter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2010 14:01 Selith wrote:
A. We take teamplay seriously as well as 1v1. Recent 1.1.2 patch changed Reapers. While Reapers had no problem in 1:1, if you look at the top of the 2:2 team ranks, almost half of them are Terran+Zerg, and they all use Reaperling. This problem is same in NA as well as in Korea. This means that you can't succeed all that well in teamplay unless you play a Terran+Zerg combination, so we try to fix it if the problem is as big as that. If not, then we try to balance around 1:1.

Also, forward proxy gate Zealot rush was popular for a bit after release. This didn't get much use among the top players, but it was near impossible to stop at silver-level play. So we pondered how to fix this balance issue without affecting top players, and in the end, we decided to increase the time required to build Zealots to get it balanced.


Ughhhh

DO NOT WANT

Balanced for silver leagues and team play


ITs not what you want but whats healthy for the game! And for balancing the game overrall!
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
October 22 2010 05:30 GMT
#40
Who cares what the league is called?

I don't understand how increasing the zealot building time doesn't affect top levels as well as lower silver leaguers can someone explain?


I think he meant that they are trying to balance for lower levels while trying minimize the impact to the upper echelon players. I don't think it's possible to accomodate lower players in a way that it wouldn't affect better players too.
But I haven't seen too much of difference with the zealot change so I could say they did an ok job :>
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