On February 19 2009 08:12 Wonders wrote:
Here's a suggestion, although it'd be really hard to pull off: keep corsairs over the templars so that the zerg can't click on them.

... Are you serious?

Cloud

Sexico5880 Posts

February 18 2009 23:16 GMT

#22

A good number of dragoons are your best bet, and whatever corsairs you have left. Maelstrom may work wonders but the problem is anticipating the muta switch, which not every single zerg does.

Also, you have to be very careful with the timing of your attacks, the fact that he is playing with that unit combo means less upgrades for melee and later hive. So dont throw your army away unnecessarily when you may very well have an advantage late game if you keep yourself together.

imperfect

Canada1652 Posts

February 18 2009 23:16 GMT

#23

this has also been bothering me quite a bit T-T

a lot of korean zergs emulate this, and it works for them maybe because i suck, but also because i dont know what to do.

so are sairs the way to go? I've been trying to incorporate constant corsair pump into my PvZ, and it worked to some extent; i'm still trying to perfect its use. it's really hard to get the right timings down for corsairs, zealot leg upgrade, goon, obs, and storm T_T

dragoons? this used to be what i resorted to, but it doesn't work because it delays my first push a lot, and by then, enough hydras are present. however, i found my push with zeal/chon with ht+dragoons is a lot more potent at taking down expansions because of dragoons, but with a slower third for me.

archons? it's so hard to keep templars in range of archons T-T even then, mutas take dmg and snipe.

looking forward to some great replies!
PS maelstrom is pretty cool ^.-v i used it successfully only once

littlechava

United States7221 Posts

February 18 2009 23:16 GMT

#24

On February 19 2009 08:13 Chill wrote:

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... Are you serious?

u just dont understand chill

[DUF]MethodMan

Germany1716 Posts

February 18 2009 23:18 GMT

#25

this thread is pure gold

Liquid`Drone

Norway28814 Posts

February 18 2009 23:23 GMT

#26

haha gary when did lzgamer use mael against you? :D (he is the zerg in the replay I posted)

ffswowsucks

Greece2298 Posts

February 18 2009 23:39 GMT

#27

Eri give rep pack!_! I really liked your pvz vs lzgamer

Grobyc

Canada18410 Posts

February 18 2009 23:56 GMT

#28

On February 19 2009 08:12 Wonders wrote:
Here's a suggestion, although it'd be really hard to pull off: keep corsairs over the templars so that the zerg can't click on them.

no man, you've got it wrong, you need a carrier overtop of them, much bigger.

Piy

Scotland3152 Posts

February 19 2009 00:12 GMT

#29

having enough goons and archons when you move out I suppose. I don't know, always seems to come down to execution from the zerg, doesn't seem that theres much you could do to stop it if their control is good.

I'd be interested if anyone had any serious responses though.

AttackZerg

United States7577 Posts

February 19 2009 01:04 GMT

#30

On February 19 2009 08:23 Liquid`Drone wrote:
haha gary when did lzgamer use mael against you? :D (he is the zerg in the replay I posted)

We played a bo3 at the start of this season, and since at the time I opened mutas every time, he went sair/dt/maelstorm/zealot/arch ... in that order every game ^^. So like a month and a half ago.

I've seen him force a draw on andro with maelstorm reaver and win a game against a zerg who was 200/200 on 8 bases and couldn't crack him no matter what! ... he is a great midgame defensive toss ^^.

dragonmax

United States131 Posts

February 19 2009 01:11 GMT

#31

lift your buildings over the templars

Manifesto7

Osaka27174 Posts

February 19 2009 01:20 GMT

#32

On February 19 2009 10:11 dragonmax wrote:
lift your buildings over the templars

-_- don't troll the strat forum.

Clasic

Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts

February 19 2009 01:31 GMT

#33

Not to troll, but you don't have to make lies? Link to the B- Acc or play me?
I personally make a big cannon defense even before I get my Templar in the expo, so they will have to waist a few mutas before they kill the HT. I really don't know what to do about this either though

Aurious

Canada1772 Posts

February 19 2009 02:02 GMT

#34

I think he means outside of the expo. Very annoying but nothing you can do really. Build a few goons so they have to sacrifice some of their army to get to your temps and you should be able to send the storms off and kill a few units anyways.

Quanticfograw

United States2053 Posts

February 19 2009 02:04 GMT

#35

I will gladly play anyone questioning my skill i compete regularly with b- level gamers but never have the time to play enough games in a season which is why i say i am AROUND a b- level. Chill if your a forum regulator maybe you should spend some time doing so instead of filling my thread with wasteful comments. I was simply just asking if theres a rule of thumb you guys use like not to move out for third base without four goons or two archons to protect temps. This has happened to me alot lately and its been bothering me and I just simply asked for small tips reguarding it.... I am not asking how to deal with hydra muta...... I am simply asking if you guys choose to hide temps or roll out of base with a x amount of units so your templars are safe. I was simply stating my skill so you guys dont say stupid things like "use mael" or "dont let mutas hit yoru templar" I was just trying to help let you guys know I have a basic grasp of this game so I wanted some higher level comments

edit: i do like mael in some games but only when I see fuckload of muta or late game pvz. this is my worst matchup so I shouldnt give any tips or ideas but these are when I see fit. I remember lx used a mael opening on bluestorm in pgl this season but he delayed his storm because of it if anyone has a link to the vod it would be great.

edit2: actually read everyones post now and a tad angrier will be on iccup on id nrg.bongmicro feel free to msg for game since many of you seemed to be more concerned with rank than tips

Clasic

Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts

February 19 2009 02:23 GMT

#36

On February 19 2009 11:04 likeaboss wrote:
I will gladly play anyone questioning my skill i compete regularly with b- level gamers but never have the time to play enough games in a season which is why i say i am AROUND a b- level. Chill if your a forum regulator maybe you should spend some time doing so instead of filling my thread with wasteful comments. I was simply just asking if theres a rule of thumb you guys use like not to move out for third base without four goons or two archons to protect temps. This has happened to me alot lately and its been bothering me and I just simply asked for small tips reguarding it.... I am not asking how to deal with hydra muta...... I am simply asking if you guys choose to hide temps or roll out of base with a x amount of units so your templars are safe. I was simply stating my skill so you guys dont say stupid things like "use mael" or "dont let mutas hit yoru templar" I was just trying to help let you guys know I have a basic grasp of this game so I wanted some higher level comments

edit: i do like mael in some games but only when I see fuckload of muta or late game pvz. this is my worst matchup so I shouldnt give any tips or ideas but these are when I see fit. I remember lx used a mael opening on bluestorm in pgl this season but he delayed his storm because of it if anyone has a link to the vod it would be great.

edit2: actually read everyones post now and a tad angrier will be on iccup on id nrg.bongmicro feel free to msg for game since many of you seemed to be more concerned with rank than tips

My bad bro, I already played you, and I lost :D Sorry for questioning your skill bro.

YoUr_KiLLeR

United States3420 Posts

February 19 2009 02:24 GMT

#37

On February 19 2009 06:57 likeaboss wrote:
I am curious because I am a pretty skilled player

obviously this isnt the case.

Quanticfograw

United States2053 Posts

February 19 2009 02:25 GMT

#38

hmmmmm killer 1;1 ill be on iccup op nrg) come your picking a fight when i just simply ask advice but come

AzureEye

United States1360 Posts

February 19 2009 02:39 GMT

#39

On February 19 2009 08:12 Wonders wrote:
Here's a suggestion, although it'd be really hard to pull off: keep corsairs over the templars so that the zerg can't click on them.

Thats pretty impossible unless you're stationary. And time is better used on keeping archons around templars

NrG.Bamboo

United States2756 Posts

February 19 2009 02:39 GMT

#40

On February 19 2009 11:24 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote:

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obviously this isnt the case.

As much as you may disagree with the way he speaks about himself, you're being just as much of a dick by BMing him for no reason than you think he is by buffing his skill level.

Fact: Bongmicro is a B- level player, and I play with him alot and he is a good player (I practice PvT and PvP with him).