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sc2turtlepants
Profile Joined December 2023
35 Posts
May 21 2025 23:29 GMT
#1
Is it lack of moderation or a conscious decision to advertise him here? Whatever the bar is for earning a ban, he surely passed it ages ago.
LaughNgamezSOOP
Profile Joined June 2024
60 Posts
May 21 2025 23:34 GMT
#2
Perhaps give context/history instead of calling for a ban without it?
Literally the greatest caster ever: https://www.youtube.com/@LaughNgamed
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5502 Posts
May 22 2025 01:25 GMT
#3
Is RuFF toxic? I thought that protech guy was pretty known for toxic behaviour, just from what ive seen on forums, and he's still there.

Ruff just does clown strats i thought. Whats with wanting him removed?
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Pentarp
Profile Joined August 2015
219 Posts
May 22 2025 02:53 GMT
#4
I, too, knowing next to nothing about the situation, would like to give my input on this juicy piece of drama. Ruff needs to post his PB max rep if he's to claim to be the strongest SC2 streamer.
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CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1693 Posts
May 22 2025 02:58 GMT
#5
what is the drama this time?
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phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
May 22 2025 03:45 GMT
#6
Unless it's something illegal, I dont think people watch this game or visit the forums enough to care for random ragers on bnet.
sc2turtlepants
Profile Joined December 2023
35 Posts
May 22 2025 04:08 GMT
#7
Oh my bad he's popped up enough recently I figured other people would be more informed than I. I'll include a brief list, I'm not here to prosecute the guy but Google's available for followups. A short list since it was asked for:

He's been toxic since he was booted from IvDgaming in 2014 and TB banned him from Clan Wars for abusive behavior and slurs.

More recently he keeps popping up for using racial slurs and harassing pro players and content creators. His Bnet account was silenced last year for using racial slurs, he was calling the balance council slurs/racial slurs on stream earlier this year, he keeps making up shit about pro players (ie Harstem) and attacking them publicly.

I mean it's fine if taking down names from the sidebar isn't a thing, I just found it jarring to see his name up there after all the shit he's pulled just this year - I took it as an ad for his stream and tacit approval, that's all. Thought it'd be an odd place to send someone who is getting into the game.
LaughNgamezSOOP
Profile Joined June 2024
60 Posts
May 22 2025 05:09 GMT
#8
RuFF has had questionable behavior in the past so it's worth discussing IMO but someone would need to present clear clips of repeated offenses I think before something gets done.

Also I don't think TL has any policy to do with removing streams unless someone can link one.

Personally for me the whining is why I stopped watching him.
Literally the greatest caster ever: https://www.youtube.com/@LaughNgamed
jodljodl
Profile Joined October 2016
167 Posts
May 22 2025 06:52 GMT
#9
I appreciate the effort of OP. Thank you

I personally feel these days it's more important than ever (online) to pro-actively make sure racist behaviour or spreading lies is not supported in any way and to make it as hard as legally possible to propagate such.

Though this needs to be done in an ordered and especially transparent manner (for obvious reasons). Thus I also agree with LaughNgamez regarding the "present clear clips". Though I think proof in any form is fine.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25223 Posts
May 22 2025 13:53 GMT
#10
On May 22 2025 13:08 sc2turtlepants wrote:
Oh my bad he's popped up enough recently I figured other people would be more informed than I. I'll include a brief list, I'm not here to prosecute the guy but Google's available for followups. A short list since it was asked for:

He's been toxic since he was booted from IvDgaming in 2014 and TB banned him from Clan Wars for abusive behavior and slurs.

More recently he keeps popping up for using racial slurs and harassing pro players and content creators. His Bnet account was silenced last year for using racial slurs, he was calling the balance council slurs/racial slurs on stream earlier this year, he keeps making up shit about pro players (ie Harstem) and attacking them publicly.

I mean it's fine if taking down names from the sidebar isn't a thing, I just found it jarring to see his name up there after all the shit he's pulled just this year - I took it as an ad for his stream and tacit approval, that's all. Thought it'd be an odd place to send someone who is getting into the game.

Thanks I have a rough idea (pun intended) of what the issue is now.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Blitzball04
Profile Joined June 2024
191 Posts
May 22 2025 15:48 GMT
#11
Whoa people still care about Ruff? The kid is human trash. I put him slightly above Avilo

Then again they both had their “target” audience
Chemist391
Profile Joined October 2010
United States366 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-22 15:55:52
May 22 2025 15:54 GMT
#12
Just because he's a mean person and I found his reaction hilarious, here's him losing to me after doing a weird mech/nuke rush: https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx3fLJIc6SKQvaWOSduh4-pSWAzRGFIU2c?si=f21x1sxAXDP5XvhA

Recognizing his name, I opened up his stream right after the game ended just in time for him to complain about Protoss.
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5502 Posts
May 22 2025 18:23 GMT
#13
On May 23 2025 00:54 Chemist391 wrote:
Just because he's a mean person and I found his reaction hilarious, here's him losing to me after doing a weird mech/nuke rush: https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx3fLJIc6SKQvaWOSduh4-pSWAzRGFIU2c?si=f21x1sxAXDP5XvhA

Recognizing his name, I opened up his stream right after the game ended just in time for him to complain about Protoss.


If you think that's bad you should play davetesta.
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Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
May 22 2025 18:26 GMT
#14
Being silenced in recent years is impressive. I am sure he doesn't deserve the sidebar spotlight despite it not being what it once was.
"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
chrusher97
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Canada811 Posts
May 22 2025 19:32 GMT
#15
who cares, if you dont like him dont watch him.



Trump won, censorship culture is over

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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25223 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-22 19:44:08
May 22 2025 19:43 GMT
#16
On May 23 2025 04:32 chrusher97 wrote:
who cares, if you dont like him dont watch him.



Trump won, censorship culture is over

What on Earth are you talking about?

He can be free to stream, but TL don’t promote his stream if they don’t want to. Those can co-exist
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
chrusher97
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Canada811 Posts
May 22 2025 21:47 GMT
#17
On May 23 2025 04:43 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2025 04:32 chrusher97 wrote:
who cares, if you dont like him dont watch him.



Trump won, censorship culture is over

What on Earth are you talking about?

He can be free to stream, but TL don’t promote his stream if they don’t want to. Those can co-exist



I dont like ruff either, (because all he does is cheese and complain), but removing someone from the sidebar because you dont like what they said ( subjective ) is the definition of censorship
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1156 Posts
May 22 2025 21:55 GMT
#18
On May 23 2025 06:47 chrusher97 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2025 04:43 WombaT wrote:
On May 23 2025 04:32 chrusher97 wrote:
who cares, if you dont like him dont watch him.



Trump won, censorship culture is over

What on Earth are you talking about?

He can be free to stream, but TL don’t promote his stream if they don’t want to. Those can co-exist



I dont like ruff either, (because all he does is cheese and complain), but removing someone from the sidebar because you dont like what they said ( subjective ) is the definition of censorship


...and?
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1855 Posts
May 22 2025 23:18 GMT
#19
Why are you guys trying to make more work for people
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25223 Posts
May 22 2025 23:28 GMT
#20
On May 23 2025 06:47 chrusher97 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2025 04:43 WombaT wrote:
On May 23 2025 04:32 chrusher97 wrote:
who cares, if you dont like him dont watch him.



Trump won, censorship culture is over

What on Earth are you talking about?

He can be free to stream, but TL don’t promote his stream if they don’t want to. Those can co-exist



I dont like ruff either, (because all he does is cheese and complain), but removing someone from the sidebar because you dont like what they said ( subjective ) is the definition of censorship

Is it though?

If I choose to not stick up a promotional poster in my shop for some act, am I censoring them?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
chrusher97
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Canada811 Posts
May 23 2025 03:35 GMT
#21
On May 23 2025 08:28 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2025 06:47 chrusher97 wrote:
On May 23 2025 04:43 WombaT wrote:
On May 23 2025 04:32 chrusher97 wrote:
who cares, if you dont like him dont watch him.



Trump won, censorship culture is over

What on Earth are you talking about?

He can be free to stream, but TL don’t promote his stream if they don’t want to. Those can co-exist



I dont like ruff either, (because all he does is cheese and complain), but removing someone from the sidebar because you dont like what they said ( subjective ) is the definition of censorship

Is it though?

If I choose to not stick up a promotional poster in my shop for some act, am I censoring them?


OP here is not the shop owner, he is another random customer that came in and saw a poster you had for a while and demanded it be taken down because they are "toxic"
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25223 Posts
May 23 2025 03:56 GMT
#22
They asked the question, up to TL.

Either way, not promoting something isn’t censorship
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1029 Posts
May 23 2025 06:19 GMT
#23
On May 23 2025 12:35 chrusher97 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2025 08:28 WombaT wrote:
On May 23 2025 06:47 chrusher97 wrote:
On May 23 2025 04:43 WombaT wrote:
On May 23 2025 04:32 chrusher97 wrote:
who cares, if you dont like him dont watch him.

Trump won, censorship culture is over

What on Earth are you talking about?

He can be free to stream, but TL don’t promote his stream if they don’t want to. Those can co-exist

I dont like ruff either, (because all he does is cheese and complain), but removing someone from the sidebar because you dont like what they said ( subjective ) is the definition of censorship

Is it though?

If I choose to not stick up a promotional poster in my shop for some act, am I censoring them?

OP here is not the shop owner, he is another random customer that came in and saw a poster you had for a while and demanded it be taken down because they are "toxic"

The perfect answer to your rhetoric was summarised in comic form a long time ago:

+ Show Spoiler +
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TL.net has no obligation to host anything for anyone, nor to promote anything for anyone. Being on the Featured Streamer list is a privilege, it isn't a right, and that privilege can be taken away if people are assholes.

I can't comment on RuFF specifically because I don't watch his stream. But the idea that someone being removed from the Featured Streamer list is "censorship" is completely asinine.
"You have to play for yourself, you have to play to get better; you can't play to make other people happy, that's not gonna ever sustain you." - NonY
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33374 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-23 07:06:42
May 23 2025 07:06 GMT
#24
if no one is gonna come up with actual examples and all these discussions are going to center around hearsay and hypotheticals, I'm closing the thread
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
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