EPT[Poll] MBS implementation (or not) - Page 14
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MiniRoman
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NotSorry
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orangedude
Canada220 Posts
On October 16 2007 03:04 NotSorry wrote: Whats the big deal about splitting the community, hell look at how split it already is/always has been with SC1 and BW. Just because somewhat of a split in the community has happened in BW, doesn't mean it should be actively encouraged or engineered into SC2. It should be minimized as much as possible. | ||
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ForAdun
Germany986 Posts
If you like a stronger metaphor, here it is: the wall must be climbed and is 8 meters high. Makes some yawn, makes others proud. What's your problem, man? And if you don't see the competition in Diablo 2 that's your milk, I myself see some competition in it and if only for 12-year-olds. Just because you are on a much higher level doesn't make your experience/view the only one in this world. Many people feel good after a small success. Climb the 50 meters wall but don't say you're ultimately right. And it seems to me that you got me totally wrong, because I am anti MBS. Surprised? | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
The comparison with D2 was flawed in that you were comparing it to SC for reasons I stated but you chose to ignore. @ element)logic: No, I express my opinion in the way I feel. I debated this issue with a calm and logical voice earlier, produced no results. Instead of hitting my head on the wall with the issue, I am laughing at those with bloody foreheads. @orangedude: Yeah, its false.. right. That'd be true if it werent for the fact that every single decent non korean has said that MBS is garbage. Name ONE decent non korean who is semi known in the community for their bw skills that thinks MBS is a good idea and should be welcomed. | ||
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ForAdun
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orangedude
Canada220 Posts
On October 16 2007 04:34 {88}iNcontroL wrote: @orangedude: Yeah, its false.. right. That'd be true if it werent for the fact that every single decent non korean has said that MBS is garbage. Name ONE decent non korean who is semi known in the community for their bw skills that thinks MBS is a good idea and should be welcomed. On October 16 2007 02:06 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Listen: we get it, you want a easier SC so you too can be talked about on forums and share some glory. News Flash: You wont be shit because making this game easier is only going to drive out the real talent and bring in a muddy mess of mediocre players playing an easy game that will crash 1 year post release. No, iNcontrol. Your perception of the viewpoint of the pro-MBS side (minus random noobs) is flawed (what I quoted). Secondly, there are decent players who believe in the wait-and-see approach and make a judgment after extensive beta testing (which I agree with). I'm not going into any more detail, as I don't want to spend anymore time in pointless arguments with neither side budging. | ||
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eL.Virus
Benin14 Posts
If I was in control at blizzard I would be ready to say SCREW THESE NERDS LETS JUST MAKE ANOTHER WOW EXPANSION! Warcraft 3 has mbs and it hasn't DIED after around 4 years. Why do you think mbs sc2 will DIE in a year if it has mbs? | ||
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ForAdun
Germany986 Posts
On October 16 2007 05:27 eL.Virus wrote: I feel sorry for blizzard. No matter what they do they will end up pissing off a LOT of people over something as silly as a debate about multiple building selection. If I was in control at blizzard I would be ready to say SCREW THESE NERDS LETS JUST MAKE ANOTHER WOW EXPANSION! Warcraft 3 has mbs and it hasn't DIED after around 4 years. Why do you think mbs sc2 will DIE in a year if it has mbs? You didn't read carefully. We were talking about competitive SC2, not SC2 as a whole. | ||
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orangedude
Canada220 Posts
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eL.Virus
Benin14 Posts
On October 16 2007 05:34 ForAdun wrote: You didn't read carefully. We were talking about competitive SC2, not SC2 as a whole. competitive wc3 isn't dead either. Don't know where you get this idea from. The wcg had a bunch of wc3 matches. All I am trying to point out is that sc2 will at worst be like wc3 in the competitive scene. | ||
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ForAdun
Germany986 Posts
On October 16 2007 05:41 eL.Virus wrote: competitive wc3 isn't dead either. Don't know where you get this idea from. The wcg had a bunch of wc3 matches. All I am trying to point out is that sc2 will at worst be like wc3 in the competitive scene. I didn't even talk about competitive WC3, you really need to read more carefully and to not confuse accounts. Means I don't know where you get the idea from that I got the idea that competitive WC3 is dead. Got it?  I know WC3 is very popular and the competitive scene isn't any smaller than that of sc:bw but I think SC2 will be much bigger if it is harder to play then WC3. I'd like it to be much harder (or say about as hard as sc:bw). I mean why not? Can't be a bad thing. And well, I don't want SC2 to "at worst be like wc3", really not. I want it to be the big brother of SC2 and since it is definitely possible to do that I don't see a reason to go a different road. | ||
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eL.Virus
Benin14 Posts
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ForAdun
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orangedude
Canada220 Posts
On October 16 2007 06:08 ForAdun wrote: Who said that? I did not, I only argued against MBS (and automining and autocasting) that it will make the game worse. I never said how much worse. It's been quoted three times in the last 15 posts. Many others have expressed a similar sentiment countless times. When you say "we" in your post, I assume you share their views. | ||
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ForAdun
Germany986 Posts
"We" only share one opinion: MBS is not good or not as good as Blizzard expects. One may say MBS will completely destroy SC2, another one says it will only make it slightly worse, another one says MBS is satan and another one says it can be bad or good but he thinks it's bad. This example is to demonstrate how easy it is to misunderstand people if you don't see every person as an individual with his/her individual opinion. | ||
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orangedude
Canada220 Posts
On October 16 2007 05:34 ForAdun wrote: and instead stated your own view. It also shows why making blanket-statements like the ones quoted earlier make no sense, since everyone has different thoughts.We were talking about competitive SC2 I also think MBS may slightly detract from gameplay, but maybe the other benefits from attracting a larger fanbase could make up for it and cause the net effect to be positive rather than negative. That's why I'm going to wait for further testing. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On October 16 2007 05:21 orangedude wrote: No, iNcontrol. Your perception of the viewpoint of the pro-MBS side (minus random noobs) is flawed (what I quoted). Secondly, there are decent players who believe in the wait-and-see approach and make a judgment after extensive beta testing (which I agree with). I'm not going into any more detail, as I don't want to spend anymore time in pointless arguments with neither side budging. I asked you to name one decent player who is known that thinks MBS will be a good thing. You cant and ignore the request. You also state my projection of the future will be flawed. Great, you very well could be right. But then, I could be just as right so we are left with a wash. | ||
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orangedude
Canada220 Posts
Why should I have to name decent players who think MBS will be a good thing, when even I think it might be slightly bad for gameplay? I can however name some who wish to give it time and further testing before making a certain judgment, but I won't. | ||
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ForAdun
Germany986 Posts
On October 16 2007 06:45 orangedude wrote: In that case, I also share your opinion on this. There would be less misunderstanding if you didn't write: and instead stated your own view. It also shows why making blanket-statements like the ones quoted earlier make no sense, since everyone has different thoughts. I also think MBS may slightly detract from gameplay, but maybe the other benefits from attracting a larger fanbase could make up for it and cause the net effect to be positive rather than negative. That's why I'm going to wait for further testing. What, lol. The quote does not include any views/opinions from anybody so I really don't get what you're trying to tell me. I only pointed at what the topic is. In this case I'd say less misunderstanding comes only from reading the account first, then the whole post, and of course from being correct, not mixing up quotes/accounts/opinions. I didn't generalize anything, it's not my fault if someone misunderstands me that much (this is not directed against you as you may know). I agree to the rest of your post except that I think the negative effect will be higher. | ||
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