Reps.Ru Victory Day present

On April 12 2021 15:33 MM-yingxiong wrote:
sorry but this is giga cringe

On April 13 2021 00:44 rararara wrote:
Stalin regime was also fascist.

On April 13 2021 01:48 Rus_Brain wrote:
"Explain myself" to whom, dude? To an internet account, I don't know is a real man, a complex AI project, or a plain bot?
Remarkably, accounts above whose owners I have the honor to know never asked for such as you do.
You may wish to come up to some offline event for explanation and compensation. Until then no debate

On April 13 2021 04:30 QuadroX wrote:
rararara,

I see it does not look like you're trolling, so let me try to explain just for you. (might not worth it but whatever)

As Jealous already said Victory Day is a day that commemorates the surrender of Nazi Germany. They were the offenders, killed lots of innocent people just for the sake of it, etc., etc.. Here's a wiki link for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Day_(9_May).

During that "war time" Russia was Soviet Union indeed, so old pictures from that time have soviet flags and symbols. Victory like that against Nazi oppressors is a huge achievement not only for Russia but for the whole world. First man in space is also huge achievement. Dewalt winning against Koreans also big achievement and reason to be proud (in patriotic, not nationalistic sense). Imho also some sense of humour (which some people might not share) was implied connecting those things. That's all there is to it as I see it.

There is ZERO implication that Soviet regime is great, or that Russian people loved every bit of it especially killing and torturing people in Gulags. This was in your own head probably because there's propaganda coming from many sources to polarize the world more and more. I also hate this "not offend anyone" and "cancel culture" that follows. People get offended all the time intentionally or not, and it's good for the Internet to be free and to remain free. Cheers!

On April 14 2021 23:17 TaardadAiel wrote:
The end of ww2 in Europe is a good thing worthy of celebration. Such a holiday doesn't have a nationality imo. For various political reasons there's V-day in Europe (for the western allies) and Victory Day (for the USSR and later eastern bloc countries), I personally celebrate both even as I'm really, really pissed at what happened to my home country after becoming a part of the soviet sphere of influence. It happened before the end of the war anyway and less people dying on the battlefronts is a good thing.

That being said, commemorating the end of ww2 with a replay pack IS a bit cringy. Props for the initiative, not thrilled with the execution from a PR point of view.

On April 15 2021 00:11 GeckoXp wrote:


Well, it got your attention, speaking from a PR point of view.

On April 13 2021 00:59 Rus_Brain wrote:
Well, it wasn't,
but I pretty much doubt it is of any value arguing with an overeducated guy who believes Gagarin was the first man on the moon


This one is good, bro. This one is good

On April 15 2021 02:03 vOdToasT wrote:
The Stalin regime was what it was, the gulag existed.

On April 15 2021 15:15 Rus_Brain wrote:
We are all "what we are"
First, labor encampments still exist nowadays, remarkably even in those regions where human rights are advocated. Which is, of course, not an excuse for Stalin, but quite a reasonable doubt for us prior to rating anyone, if we want to become better. Otherwise nothing will change if we are ready to blame someone for what has not changed in our time.
Second, mixing Nazi and Soviet ways is nothing more but obscuring crucial differences – such as the distinction between camps used in a deliberate policy of extermination, and those where people die through neglect.

On April 15 2021 16:52 LfunkGG wrote:
yeah tell this to the Estonians who were killed and tortured by soviets for years. At least Nazis had shame for what they did, Russians have no shame, they haven't even paid for their war crimes. and bragging about their murderous history.

On April 15 2021 19:51 Rus_Brain wrote:
This is unproved blame. Add "millions may not be wrong" for sufficient credibility
I did not have a chance to live in USSR long (neither did you according to your birthdate), but friends and relatives of mine who are one generation older all as one refer to visiting Pribaltic states as one of the most desired vacations for Soviet citizen.
Read me correctly. In no place here I told that everything was awesome in old days, I'm just pointing out that what you write here is a deliberate obscuring.

On April 15 2021 20:34 Rus_Brain wrote:
So much hatred
Do you blame me that I'm Russian?

On April 15 2021 20:45 Rus_Brain wrote:
I beg your pardon for that, Mr. Everyone Else.

On April 15 2021 21:52 Rus_Brain wrote:
No balls to admit hatred against Russians, hiding behind "everyone". No authority to speak on everyone's behalf.

On April 16 2021 10:00 ox.tQ wrote:
Just to be clear, I don't believe the USSR under Stalin was a real workers' state nor do I confuse Stalinism with Marxism, just as I don't confuse the crusades with Christ. But it should be pointed out, that rather paradoxically, modern welfare institutions, liberal-democratic rights and labour legislation in advanced capitalist democracies were all the product of post-1917 historical events and conditions, that is to say, the admirable features of modern democracies today sprung from a confluence of global circumstances and working-class struggle that demanded a response from ruling elites in western countries for social reform.

The existence of the USSR, an ostensibly socialist Eastern Europe, and revolution in China stood as living examples of alternatives to capitalism, of socialism as workers’ states— at least in name and appearance. The 1930s Great Depression (which had become a recruiting ground for communist sympathisers in the West) stood out as a recent memory, exemplifying the failures and stark realities of capitalism and its accompanying miseries. The working classes in liberal democratic countries, moreover, had made huge sacrifices in a war between national capitals and now had reason to expect something meaningful in return, as extravagant promises had been made to them during the war effort. They were also hardened to warfare and trained in the use of arms and so there were fears over demobilisation and insurrection in the West. At the same time, the rapid disintegration of the old European colonial empires opened new markets and sources of raw materials. Domestic consumer markets expanded in the industrial nations and new technology developed for the war effort was applied to the civilian economy with dramatic increases in productivity, translating into material benefits for western working populations. Reconstruction and expansion created a high demand for labour which in turn encouraged a growth in unionisation, demands for higher wages, improved conditions and benefits. Unions became fully institutionalised within legal codes and were brought into arrangements with corporations: many European governments even allowed unions to play a role in tripartite state-planning structures. The United States actively promoted the development of social-democratic parties to divide the political expression of the working class and undermine the popularity of the mass communist parties. These were some of the key historical conditions that underlay the rise of the modern welfare and liberal-democratic state: a half-hearted patchwork of diverse policies put together in response to political and economic changes that occurred post-1917.

The creation of a communist international (Comintern) and the Red International of Labour Unions (Profintern) shaped the political landscape and debates on future labour reforms for most of the twentieth century. The International Labour Organisation was in fact created in 1918, one year after the Bolshevik revolution, which persuaded the key capitalist powers (Great Britain, the United States and France) to lead efforts to establish an international labour office at the Versailles Peace Conference to promote labour reforms and buttress the spread of socialism.

"[Post-17] the labor movement was well aware that it was in a position of peculiar strength, and it was therefore to be expected that it would press with all its influence in order to secure that its demands should be given full and complete satisfaction” (Phelan, Director General of the International Labour Organisation, 1934).

The October Revolution was followed by the formation of strong communist parties in France, Germany and Italy. Revolutions also broke out in Austria and Germany in 1918 and Hungary in the following year, where social democrats and communists came into power. There were also land seizures and factory occupations from 1919-21 in Northern Italy. In Canada, there were 218 strikes involving more than 50,000 workers in 1917 and union membership exploded from 1915 to 1919 (with 140,000 members in 1915, 205,000 in 1917, 250,000 in 1918 and 378,000 by 1919). Japanese workers also took part in strikes in record numbers from 1917 to 1919. The first African trade unions also formed during this period and had nearly 40,000 members in 1917 and over 135,000 by 1920. Britain also created a Ministry of Labour in 1917 and universal suffrage for men was introduced in the same year in the Netherlands (after massive demonstrations called ‘Red Tuesdays’ in 1911 and 1912).

As the eminent historian Eric Hobsbawm has noted, the 1917 Revolution became the central event of 20th century world politics, just as the bourgeois revolutions of 1776 and 1789 had been the defining events of the 18th century.

Once the threat of 'socialism' (in name and not in substance) disappeared with the collapse of the USSR, it is no coincidence that we witnessed the retrenchment of welfare state institutions and labour legislation and the curtailment of liberal democratic civil political rights in western capitalist countries under questionable pretenses.

On April 16 2021 22:58 Jealous wrote:

It isn't, just like this whole thread isn't, and anyone who tries to assert otherwise is just trying to be overly dramatic and is seeking out offense when there isn't any.

On April 17 2021 02:51 Jealous wrote:

Horrible comparison because the day being celebrated is about defeating Nazi Germany and has nothing to do with occupation, Gulag, Stalin, or whatever else you choose to associate with this holiday. I will repeat, it is your choice to associate those things with this holiday, it is your choice to find it offensive. Hitler's birthday is clearly different but if you can't understand that then it's a waste of time trying to explain this to you.

"Victory Day[a 1] is a holiday that commemorates the surrender of Nazi Germany in 1945." - Wikipedia

That's it.

On April 17 2021 06:22 orth0dox wrote:
As Ukrainian I want to give my 5 cents to this discussion: As someone whose country was directly related to WW2 events (as you may know most of the battles against Nazi invaders took place in Ukraine), reading OP kinda left a bad taste. While there is nothing wrong with celebrating victory per se, decorations that Rus_Brain chose are obviously glorifying USSR, which seem out of place, and more importantly may trigger people that suffered their share from USSR regime. Death toll caused by the Soviet Union ruling elite crimes and genocide is comparable or even surpasses casualties during WW2 (at least for Ukraine). So I wasn't very happy to encounter "деды воевали" aesthetics on TL and think that OP would do better without it. That said I'm grateful for everything that Rus_Brain does for the community and this upcoming replay pack in particular.

On April 17 2021 05:31 WGT-Baal wrote:On topic: thanks in advance for the replays! Will they be organised by matchups? May be opponents? (though i realise this is a ton of work).

On April 17 2021 06:53 LfunkGG wrote:
worst thing is OP says "this is unproved" about soviet war crimes and his attitude is making fun of those who suffered. we're here for starcraft, why do you have to push your arrogant politic crap into this and act disrespectful against soviet victims?
ps: i like dewalt and I follow his stream. also I like and followed rus brains events.

On April 17 2021 08:01 lamarine wrote:
So Rus_Brain could have said "Nazis were defeated" or "first human in space", but he said "USSR and allies defeated nazis" and "first Soviet"...

On April 17 2021 15:28 Rus_Brain wrote:
Worst thing is your cognitive dissonance between strong desire to download the replays and what Baal offered - boycott reps in protest.
There is a third way, however, both download the reps, and start shitload debate. This way, cognitive dissonance resolved, both conflicting desires are fulfilled. Well, okay. TL is a free speech place, go ahead. For me personally you are a guy with no balls to admit your position as man of steel and follow that way. Instead, a way of delusions desperately trying to sit both chairs.
If your position is strait and steel - it looks shiny from a side, whatever it is, and it's always respected. A shit to the contrary always stinks.

Indeed. Sorting based on a death toll for the Victory. It's not about "деды воевали" or patriotism, it's about fifty million in a total WWII death toll. Math never lies and is never offended.

On April 17 2021 15:28 Rus_Brain wrote:
Worst thing is your cognitive dissonance between strong desire to download the replays and what Baal offered - boycott reps in protest.
There is a third way, however, both download the reps, and start shitload debate. This way, cognitive dissonance resolved, both conflicting desires are fulfilled. Well, okay. TL is a free speech place, go ahead. For me personally you are a guy with no balls to admit your position as man of steel and follow that way. Instead, a way of delusions desperately trying to sit both chairs.
If your position is strait and steel - it looks shiny from a side, whatever it is, and it's always respected. A shit to the contrary always stinks.

Indeed. Sorting based on a death toll for the Victory. It's not about "деды воевали" or patriotism, it's about fifty million in a total WWII death toll. Math never lies and is never offended.

On April 17 2021 16:54 LfunkGG wrote:

sorry I don't really understand your English very well.
I'm very clear about my position, Soviets are same as Nazis if not worse, they both wanted to conquer world for their sick ideology. example: If two serial killers break in my house at night and somehow start fighting each other, I don't care which one wins. I wouldn't shake the hand of winner who still wants to kill me.
My position about Russia is that they haven't paid for their war crimes and they must pay for what they have done. there has not been something like Nurenberg trials in germany. killers walk away free. even today they are denying the blood in their hands like you are doing right now. even celebrating it.
about replays, it became irrelevent after this point now but however I respect dewalt, I like his gamestyle but you make it hard to like him or any other russian player with this arrogant attitude.

Dewalt doesnt have word in this. Others Russian also are not part in this. Dont be afraid to tell Rus Brain is a crazy fcker that if he could organize fight till death starcraft games he will. But is not fair to put everyone into this.

On April 17 2021 17:49 lamarine wrote:

dude, i think you need to find peace here... this was not Russia, that was Soviets. Most of the people from that time are dead. And we are not responsible for the sins of our fathers.
Too bad some people still can't accept those sins, propaganda machine is working. But yeah, not all the russians are that way, even most of them are. But times are changing...

On April 17 2021 17:41 lamarine wrote:
PS: 50? really?