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[ASL11] Ro24 Preview Pt 3:Contenders and Streamers

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[ASL11] Ro24 Preview Pt 3:Contenders and Streamers

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April 10th, 2021 13:31 GMT
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The ASL Round of 24 wraps up with our final two groups.

The ASL came in at full speed the last week with whats at least the high level of excitement that comes with a tournament of this caliber if not the quality of all games(I'm looking at you sSak). This week we continue with more "Fan Favorites" in action like Sharp, Mini and Mong and an actual tournament favorite Bisu making a return for another season.

Lets see who Ziggy thinks will advance to the Ro16!
Group A Preview

The what do i say about this group group

Sharp has had a bumpy few years. A promising start to the AfreecaTV era with two back-to-back podium runs in the VANT36.5 National Starleague and ASL Season 1 was followed by a two year lull with two top8 finishes before Sharp once again made it to the finals of a premier tour in KSL Season 2 at the end of 2018. What seemed like another shot at glory ended up being a damp squib followed by two more quarterfinal appearances and a dry-spell lasting up until this very day. I struggle to pinpoint the cause of Sharp's inability to capitalise on his self-evident competitive capabilities. When you watch him play it becomes apparent how much work he's put into getting where he is right now. He has the micro, the macro, and the game sense necessary to succeed, yet always seems to fall short of meeting expectations. Don't get me wrong, I'm very fond of Sharp. But there's no player worse to talk about in previews or predictions of any sort than Sharp.

Bisu has been playing StarCraft professionally for 15 years (minus the time he spent in the army, granted). And yet I can't shake the feeling he's lost his competitive drive. Don't get me wrong, I am in no way suggesting he's looking the worse for wear as a result of his one-and-a-half-decade long tenure in esports - far from it. He's still a prominent figure on the scene, a permanent fixture in tournaments and the like. But this Bisu doesn't feel like the three-time MSL champion Bisu. This Bisu feels like a streamer. Maybe that's why his offline results have been in a steady decline since ~2016-2017, all the way to the point where he got knocked out in the Ro24 of ASL10 at the hands of two Terrans in Leta and JyJ. While I still share the general sentiment he should by and large make it out of this group as a clear favourite, I wouldn't be too upset if he didn't, because if he did he'd end up restreaming the rest of the tour. That seems enough to keep a lot of people happy.

PianO is such a polymath. He competes professionally, streams, casts with KCM. I bet he also plays an instrument in his spare time. The recorder or something. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't looking forward to his ASL11 appearance solely on the grounds that while his online exploits speak for themselves, he hasn't had as much success in offline tours. His best ASL results to date are two Ro16 finishes in ASL Seasons 1 & 7. While Group E certainly isn't the easiest, it's doable at the very least. That also extends to ggaemo and his chances of making it through in second place, even if he has only ever qualified for two ASLs before.

(T)Sharp > (Z)ggaemo
(P)Bisu > (T)PianO
(T)Sharp < (P)Bisu
(Z)ggaemo < (T)PianO
(T)Sharp > (T)PianO

(P)Bisu and (T)Sharp to advance to the Ro16!
Group B Preview

Debut hour

The ambiguity of professionalism and what the term stands for is a clear-cut case of how consensus rules in biased space. Vagueness of definition, paired with interminable attempts to encompass the idea of professionalism in competitive StarCraft have over the years distorted what once stood for professional and amateur. The KeSPA days, however despised by the anti-establishment bunch, were quite straightforward in that regard. You won a courage tour, got a licence, got drafted - bosh! You're a pro. No fannying about. It used to matter so much that even now professionals refer to themselves as ex-pros, and anyone with no KeSPA-era experience, however skilled or proven in the post-Proleague landscape, is still an amateur. And it needs to change.

It is my belief that a clearly defined and generally agreed upon cut-off point for the status of professional is a necessity for a healthy competitive economy to not only emerge but also become self-sustainable in the long run. My reasoning is based on one fundamental aspect of PR / marketing in a wider sports context - competition boils down to who's better than whom. The whole point of competing (not really, entertainment is obviously subjective, but please play along) is to establish a pecking order within a certain space. And if it's not there... how do you sell your product to advertisers? It matters, because of one simple question - who, in the context of (e)sports marketing, legitimises whom - does the player legitimise the competition, or does the competition legitimise the player? Is FlaSh good, because he's won four ASLs, or is the ASL good, because Flash plays such a prominent part in its legacy? Should I ever get good at writing I'll surely try and explore this subject in more detail than three paragraphs worth of random musings on the matter but for now - you get the point. The scene needs to recognise ASL as both the legitimiser and the legitimisee - you make it into the ASL, you're a pro. Not an ex-pro, a semi-pro, or amateur. Pro. End of story.

Enter Group F and soso's TV debut. Do I expect him to make it past the Ro24? Absolutely not. But you can bet your bollocks to a barn dance I'll be in his corner when he bombs out in last place and (inevitably) has the piss taken out of him on the interwebs. Why? Cause, as far as I'm concerned, you make it to the ASL, you're mustard. I'd understand not being excited about soso as a player, I get it. It's his first time, we know nothing about the guy (including his preferred ID for that matter); but not being chuffed there's a new kid on the block looking to throw hands with the big boys? Unacceptable. That out of the way, I expect the group to be a relatively straightforward affair with Mini and MIsO battling it out for first place and a better seed in the Ro16. As much as I'd like to back my claim with tangible results / stats, sponbbang is down. So... MIsO graced us with a surprisingly out-of-the-ordinary showing in ASTL2 and Mini plays Protoss. Does that work?

(P)Mini > (T)Soso
(T)Mong < (Z)MIsO
(P)Mini > (Z)MIsO
(T)Soso < (T)Mong
(Z)MIsO > (T)Mong

(P)Mini and (Z)MIsO to advance to the Ro16!



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FyRe_DragOn
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada2056 Posts
April 10 2021 14:36 GMT
#2
I gotta agree with ziggy about what classifies as a pro these days. I mean calling Soma an amatuer when hes one of the best players on earth, a favorite to win the tournament, and streams BW as his primary income is just silly lol. Then we have people like britney who are clearly no longer competitive, I would call him an ex pro and soma a current pro.
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oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1238 Posts
April 10 2021 15:24 GMT
#3
On April 10 2021 23:36 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
I gotta agree with ziggy about what classifies as a pro these days. I mean calling Soma an amatuer when hes one of the best players on earth, a favorite to win the tournament, and streams BW as his primary income is just silly lol. Then we have people like britney who are clearly no longer competitive, I would call him an ex pro and soma a current pro.


There are no pro's anymore since there is no federated competitive BW scene.

However it's pretty clear that the people that contend for ASL and have the best online rankings are the "pros" of today. Soma has been at the top of that for years now.
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
April 11 2021 01:27 GMT
#4
Have to disagree with Sharp "having the macro." I love Sharp, but he can't be accused of well-roundedness.

Not sure how Mong has been doing since his military service, but I think he has a pretty decent chance in the last group.
Zeronova
Profile Joined September 2020
54 Posts
April 11 2021 05:00 GMT
#5
I like Mong over Miso. But don’t disagree.

Also would choose piano over sharp. Sharp has two issues: he relies way too heavily on vulture play and often neglects macro. I think it’s makes him predictable.

Overall Think the predictions you made are very spot on. Definitely think Bisu and mini advance. Although you are right. Bisu drops a lot of games, especially to Terran you wouldn’t normally expect him to
Optimate
Profile Joined August 2020
249 Posts
April 11 2021 05:08 GMT
#6
I really want Bisu and Sharp to advance. I will be disappointed if either do not.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11075 Posts
April 11 2021 08:05 GMT
#7
Sharp is my favorite Terran. I am really hoping he can have a deep run. He creates great games to watch.
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reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-12 02:19:36
April 12 2021 02:18 GMT
#8
The Britishisms and general style of the Group F preview were delightful. More write-ups like this please!
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
April 12 2021 06:32 GMT
#9
Sadly not this soso: (Wiki)Soso
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Optimate
Profile Joined August 2020
249 Posts
April 12 2021 17:25 GMT
#10
Ro16 group selection should be tonight after the game. That is my understanding correct? Don’t miss it! It will be epic and a chance to meet the players.
Zeronova
Profile Joined September 2020
54 Posts
April 13 2021 18:46 GMT
#11
I expected Mong to do well but so impressed with his results
Sonic_md
Profile Joined March 2020
Moldova275 Posts
April 17 2021 18:01 GMT
#12
tomorrow will be RO16??

groups is empty, no brackets??

sry for my english
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R3ubarks
Profile Joined April 2020
13 Posts
April 17 2021 18:19 GMT
#13
ro16 group nomination tomorrow
Zeronova
Profile Joined September 2020
54 Posts
April 25 2021 01:54 GMT
#14
Where is the write up for group A ro16?

It’s a tough group. I’m going Queen and Shuttle but Queen and any of the other 3 would be a reasonable pick in my mind. Mong definitely outperformed my expectations last round.
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