EPTAlso standing behind the warning is iRk team, and the management of ReV. ReD's members were not asked.
It is with great difficulty that we feel the need to target an individual the way we are about to do. However, given the potential consequences for the commmunity overall, we consider it of great enough importance to the general public that we see a post as this justified.
Before we fully get into it, we wish to point out that we have not consulted the admins of TL.net before posting, and as such they hold no blame if there's any backlash. It is also up to them to lock the thread if they so see fit, and we will of course abide accordingly.
We have also not consulted any members of [NaS] about the matter. And as such hope that they are not turned into collateral damage (in particular Eonzerg, who is currently in Korea thanks to Rus_Brain funding).
Summary of the case
iRk-Favorit played a game with Shine, though Shine was participating in a BW Jeez Weekly-tournament and Favorit didn't. Shine's match came up while in game, but was on «DnD». Hence, the admins were unable to reach him and tried contacting Favorit instead. Favorit responded rather poorly. The matter was resolved with Shine (who lost to walk over, but made no big deal out of it). However, they were unable to resolve the matter with Favorit.
As such, Rus_Brain asked iRk-AgGe about Favorit's name and surname in order to contact him. AgGe points out that he can't (or at least won't) do that in regards to laws about privacy. But instead he gives Favorit's B.net ID, and Discord name. Rus_Brain interprets this as hindrance.
And this is where our concerns occur. When Rus_Brain isn't given what he wants, he resorts to threatning to ban entire iRk clan from Jeez Weekly. He also goes on to threaten to cut all economic ties to Dewalt (who was in Korea at the time). Essentially, holding Dewalt hostage in order to have AgGe give Favorit's real name and surname. Rus_Brain gave AgGe/iRk a 2 week timeout while considering the next steps.
AgGe then voiced his conerns to Incomplete[ReV] and ReDW4rr10r, wondering exactly how to handle it. Both agreed Rus_Brain was going too far.
After the 2 week timeout had passed, AgGe approached Rus_Brain asking what his conclusion was. But the reply he got was that since AgGe had allegedly been such a hindrance, they chose to keep the conclusion in private.
Incomplete[ReV] asked to talk to Rus_Brain, in hopes that a bit better English and a cooler temperament could reach a solution. However, over the course of 4 days he was met with little more than threats, dodging the questions, and eventually being asked if he is gay.
When all bridges were burned and we felt we had tried everything to reach a constructive solution, we found there to be no other solution but to warn the community overall.
What exactly are we warning about?
What worries us the most is his position in the community, and the resources he has. While there is no doubt that he has done a lot of fantastic things for our community (which we will get back to later), it is also important to consider a person's character before we give them more power and position.
We are a growing community, and as such the choices we make now will greatly affect its future. And the people we give power now, will eventually hold power over us. Essentially, do you want someone to hold power over your dreams and future, who so easily will throw it away over a petty discussion?
Do we truly want people of such character to become pillars of our community?
However, it's very hard knowing exactly what to do about. Do we encourage people to stay away from him, to not use his services and tournaments? Or to feel free taking his financial support, as long as you factor that it might disappear at the wink of an eye if he suddenly has an argument with a friend of yours?
As for us, we do not want anything to do with him. Any cooperation solidifying his position and reach in the community are off the table for us. Granted, we and our entire clans will likely get banned from everything regardless, so it's not like it's a choice.
The best thing would be for someone to reach through to him and actually make him more aware his responsibility.
But the bottom line is that we mostly want to warn people that you don't get too tightly involved with him. And don't let him have power over you. For he seems to have no trouble abusing it for his own good, disregarding yours.
If he's such a scumbag, why doesn't everyone hate him?
Well, that's the problem – he's not just a scumbag. He's hosting the BW Jeez Weekly every week, with a summary post in the tournament's thread. He organized the 20th Anniversary LAN, which was a great success. Including that he helped people get their Visas and such in place. Unless I'm mistaken, he's also organzied tournaments with prize tournaments consistently for many, many years.
He/his organization/business is also behind a site designed to gather sponsors and teams/players, and have them find one another. The site even has an accounting document showing the money flow – where it has come from and where it's gone (assuming all numbers are correct, of course).
And to our knowledge, he has always paid his debts. The 1000$ Impossible Challenge? Yup, Dewalt got his money. BW Jeez Weekly – again, we've heard no complaints about money unpaid.
In essence, he has for a very long time organized things well, put money into it, and has always pulled through. That's what makes it so hard for us to put this out here. His actions speaks so well for him, but when faced with opposition he seems to respond in a way that makes us fear for the future.
He clearly has skills and does things well. And we also know that sometimes you need to be a bit unfair/strict in order to serve a greater good, and/or progress in a tournament, for instance. We wouldn't have made such a big deal out of that.
But in this case, it's strictly about a person's character. It's not a misunderstanding, it's not just a bad day – we've tried to ensure that we remove all doubt of anything like that. This is strictly about how he reacts. And the dangers of how that might evolve if he's free to keep doing it, in addition to gaining increasingly more influence on the community.
What proof do you have?
Any accusation is worthless without proof. As such, we've made a transcript of the conversations between Rus_Brain and iRk-AgGe, and of Rus_Brain and Incomplete[ReV]. This to make it easier to read. However, we have also added pictures of the conversations in order to let anyone double-check that the transcript actually speaks the truth.
Rus_Brain and iRk-AgGe (25. February)
Transcript:
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Rus_Brain:
Hi Agge
Could you please share Favorit's First name / Second name?
iRk-AgGe:
Yo bro!
Why?:/
In sweden it's illegal to share personal information about without their knowledge and approval so I hope you understand if I cant do that
Rus_Brain:
Oh, wow, okay
Is it legal to pass his contact details?
iRk-AgGe:
He could charge me for giving out that information, and i would be arrested
Rus_Brain:
Or Facebook page? I assume the name is there
iRk-AgGe:
No can't do that either without his approval
I can give discord and bnet information
Rus_Brain:
Yes, please
iRk-AgGe:
with his gaming id, but nothing personal without his approval
Bnet id: is Favorit#21466
Rus_Brain:
And Discord, please?
iRk-AgGe:
Discord id: Favorit
I can't see his number for some reason.. can't see yours either
Rus_Brain:
^^
Nice cooperation bro
iRk-AgGe:
Very sorry I can't help out more
But i live in a country with very strict laws about personal integrity
Rus_Brain:
How about that deal?
May I ask you to get his permission to pass his Name to me at risk of getting entire iRk- team from Jeez? <3
Discuss such deal with Favorit, please.
iRk-AgGe:
hm.. wait a minute.. u want his real name so iRk team wont get banned from BW Jeez? Have I understood this correctly?
Rus_Brain:
Dewalt's further funding is subsequently at risk, as u understand
Discuss with Favorit whether he may have a clue for a reason such rage, okay? (Thumbs up icon)
I would have talked to him, of course, but as you could not share a valid contact data, I admit your responsibility as iRk-'s manager.
Sort of collusion with Favorit which result in consequences.
iRk-AgGe:
So you hold the whole team of iRk responsible for one persons actions?
Rus_Brain:
So u know why, already
That's makes things easier
iRk-AgGe:
I must say this is very low, I thought very highly of u as an organizer, and i consider you a friend, but this is blackmailing my entire team. and threats of punishing my other players , like Dewalt, for whatever Favorit has done.
Rus_Brain:
You are a manager, you talk to him, and help with investigation.
From the shittalk we have, I assume you did already. And you are pretty much unwilling to help with anything.
iRk-AgGe:
I am clanleader of team iRk, i am not responsible for what my members do on their spare time. I arrange clan wars and pick line ups and such. But this is something I do because i love starcraft and hanging out with bw friends
Rus_Brain:
Please talk to your team, and if it will be your sole decision to withdraw from any funding anyhow connected to me, please do so
This is anyway a final decision, whichever path it took
And you will help me anyway (thumbs up icon)
P.S. when I was clanlader pf 7x, fAke and reps, I took all responsibility for my members actions. And I consider otherwise immature.
iRk-AgGe:
Favorit wants your discord id so he can talk to you
asking him now
i can't se the #xxxx
Rus_Brain:
much thanks (handshake icon)
iRk-AgGe:
what's your discord id?
Rus_Brain:
Rus_Brain#6290
Any other contact service I use @ patyrykin.net
Thanks for sharing (thumbs up icon) That helped save time.
I'll take two weeks time-out for an outcome
iRk-AgGe:
For all of us?
Rus_Brain:
You are on your own, I'm not iRk- to decide for all of you (red cheeked smiley)
But still expect you discuss with your team
iRk-AgGe:
hehe i dont understand
Allright, so Favorit shared your conversation
Is shine. also going to be banned from BW Jeez for upholding the tournament?
Rus_Brain:
What you recommend?
iRk-AgGe:
Some of my players are pretty mad about this, players play aldder and so on inbetween games in tournament all the time, and no one has been banned for that.
Shine was waiting for his opponent, Favorit was asked if he wanted 1on1, he said yes, they play and shine is on dnd so your admins cant contact him. Team iRk gets the blame for this. unacceptable bro, totally unacceptable.
I think shine is to blame, he was the one joining a game when he was in a tournament.He knew he was facing Nabusardar and still decided to play vs Favorit in a for fun game.
But then again, I don't think anyone should be banned. Can't afford losing players in tournaments, BW Jeez is important for BW scene, and banning players will only makes others upset.
But you are the organizer, I won't tell u how to do your job. But I would be careful with banning playing because it can backfire.
Rus_Brain:
Thank you, I'll consider that
What about the part of being pretty much disrespectful of admins of the tournament, you're not taking part in?
iRk-AgGe:
Well, i think being disrespectful to anyone anytime is not good. Favorit reacted to people spamming him when he was playing. he didn't know it was a tournament, and he didn't know they were admins. It was all a misundertanding, he saw me, dewalt and arew in a channel, joined in and asked for a 1on1, shine said yes, and then people started spamming him instead of shine.
I would also be pretty mad if random people started spamming me when i was playing, and I didnt know what the fuzz is all about.
But Favorit accepts the punishment, and will take his ban if that's necessary.
Rus_Brain:
Well, he does not [accept the punishment], as accepting the punishment is subject to accepting the misconduct at first.
iRk-AgGe:
Well he doesnt think he has done anything wrong, he didnt participate in the tournament, he doesnt understand why admins msg him somce ot was shine who was in tournament.
If shines son had upheld shine when he was playing in the tournament, would his kid be banned? Makes no sense to Favorit, and I can understand that. And i dont defend him being rude to admins, it's never good to be bm against anyone, and i don't support that. but admins had no right contacting him in the first place, they shouldve contacted shine.
Rus_Brain:
(Note: Shows SS of conversation with Favorit. I was unable to read from the image.)
First, it is very unlikely Favorit did not recognize a tournament channel «op /something/», second Shine do not have him on his friends list, third, when admin asked Favorit to leave the game, he refused and delayed the tournament.
Now
It is very good he do not care and will never visit my tournaments, thanks to him for that
The weak point is, I would have been more polite and expected the same from others. «Sorry for that, didn't know» would suffice perfectly at that stage.
iRk-AgGe:
Well why would he have to leave a game when he's not in a tournament? Shine should've left the game.
There is also a lot of «op xxxx channels» around. op irk- is our home channel so if he doesn't know what op jeez is, then yeah he could've just thought it was a random channel. he doesn't play that often since his gf is pregnant and he has to work a lot and take care of her dogs.
Rus_Brain:
Next, as Ilia shared the conversation with him, his real name may be easily facebooked. Thus, it is in the public domain, which subsequently is not protected with gdpr as you advertise that.
All in all I see the misconduct quite willfull, and I have no believe this will not happen again.
Shine was in /dnd as you have told me just few messages ago.
iRk-AgGe:
yeah
so blame him then for being dnd when he is in a tournament
kind of stupid being dnd when waiting for opponent and going in to game
Rus_Brain:
As I see, I cannot reach your reasoning as a clan leader.
iRk-AgGe:
I have done my part
Rus_Brain:
My dad told me «tell me who's your find, I'll tell you who you are», and I now ask myself
iRk-AgGe:
i got favorit to contct you
Rus_Brain:
Why should I keep adding extra points to one of your teammates helping him get funded for his dream practice, or should I opt for a standard competition, where it is highly likely the funds will go elsewhere? At least, considering your teammate's results.
iRk-AgGe:
What do you want from me?
Rus_Brain:
Nothing I can get, I believe. But I hope you have disclosed the conversation as you promised.
Meanwhile, my timeout period stays still
iRk-AgGe:
I have informed my teammates about what happened.
I dont understand what the timeout period means.
But it's ok
16. March
iRk-AgGe:
Yo!
So just wondering, it's gone almost three weeks now, which means the timeout period has passed. What happens now?
Rus_Brain:
Hi there Agge
You were trying so hard to burke this case, that we decided to keep decision within private domain as well.
I hope you don't mind.
iRk-AgGe:
Hm okey, i don't understand what that mean.
Rus_Brain:
Relax then
Hi Agge
Could you please share Favorit's First name / Second name?
iRk-AgGe:
Yo bro!
Why?:/
In sweden it's illegal to share personal information about without their knowledge and approval so I hope you understand if I cant do that
Rus_Brain:
Oh, wow, okay
Is it legal to pass his contact details?
iRk-AgGe:
He could charge me for giving out that information, and i would be arrested
Rus_Brain:
Or Facebook page? I assume the name is there
iRk-AgGe:
No can't do that either without his approval
I can give discord and bnet information
Rus_Brain:
Yes, please
iRk-AgGe:
with his gaming id, but nothing personal without his approval
Bnet id: is Favorit#21466
Rus_Brain:
And Discord, please?
iRk-AgGe:
Discord id: Favorit
I can't see his number for some reason.. can't see yours either
Rus_Brain:
^^
Nice cooperation bro
iRk-AgGe:
Very sorry I can't help out more
But i live in a country with very strict laws about personal integrity
Rus_Brain:
How about that deal?
May I ask you to get his permission to pass his Name to me at risk of getting entire iRk- team from Jeez? <3
Discuss such deal with Favorit, please.
iRk-AgGe:
hm.. wait a minute.. u want his real name so iRk team wont get banned from BW Jeez? Have I understood this correctly?
Rus_Brain:
Dewalt's further funding is subsequently at risk, as u understand
Discuss with Favorit whether he may have a clue for a reason such rage, okay? (Thumbs up icon)
I would have talked to him, of course, but as you could not share a valid contact data, I admit your responsibility as iRk-'s manager.
Sort of collusion with Favorit which result in consequences.
iRk-AgGe:
So you hold the whole team of iRk responsible for one persons actions?
Rus_Brain:
So u know why, already
That's makes things easier
iRk-AgGe:
I must say this is very low, I thought very highly of u as an organizer, and i consider you a friend, but this is blackmailing my entire team. and threats of punishing my other players , like Dewalt, for whatever Favorit has done.
Rus_Brain:
You are a manager, you talk to him, and help with investigation.
From the shittalk we have, I assume you did already. And you are pretty much unwilling to help with anything.
iRk-AgGe:
I am clanleader of team iRk, i am not responsible for what my members do on their spare time. I arrange clan wars and pick line ups and such. But this is something I do because i love starcraft and hanging out with bw friends
Rus_Brain:
Please talk to your team, and if it will be your sole decision to withdraw from any funding anyhow connected to me, please do so
This is anyway a final decision, whichever path it took
And you will help me anyway (thumbs up icon)
P.S. when I was clanlader pf 7x, fAke and reps, I took all responsibility for my members actions. And I consider otherwise immature.
iRk-AgGe:
Favorit wants your discord id so he can talk to you
asking him now
i can't se the #xxxx
Rus_Brain:
much thanks (handshake icon)
iRk-AgGe:
what's your discord id?
Rus_Brain:
Rus_Brain#6290
Any other contact service I use @ patyrykin.net
Thanks for sharing (thumbs up icon) That helped save time.
I'll take two weeks time-out for an outcome
iRk-AgGe:
For all of us?
Rus_Brain:
You are on your own, I'm not iRk- to decide for all of you (red cheeked smiley)
But still expect you discuss with your team
iRk-AgGe:
hehe i dont understand
Allright, so Favorit shared your conversation
Is shine. also going to be banned from BW Jeez for upholding the tournament?
Rus_Brain:
What you recommend?
iRk-AgGe:
Some of my players are pretty mad about this, players play aldder and so on inbetween games in tournament all the time, and no one has been banned for that.
Shine was waiting for his opponent, Favorit was asked if he wanted 1on1, he said yes, they play and shine is on dnd so your admins cant contact him. Team iRk gets the blame for this. unacceptable bro, totally unacceptable.
I think shine is to blame, he was the one joining a game when he was in a tournament.He knew he was facing Nabusardar and still decided to play vs Favorit in a for fun game.
But then again, I don't think anyone should be banned. Can't afford losing players in tournaments, BW Jeez is important for BW scene, and banning players will only makes others upset.
But you are the organizer, I won't tell u how to do your job. But I would be careful with banning playing because it can backfire.
Rus_Brain:
Thank you, I'll consider that
What about the part of being pretty much disrespectful of admins of the tournament, you're not taking part in?
iRk-AgGe:
Well, i think being disrespectful to anyone anytime is not good. Favorit reacted to people spamming him when he was playing. he didn't know it was a tournament, and he didn't know they were admins. It was all a misundertanding, he saw me, dewalt and arew in a channel, joined in and asked for a 1on1, shine said yes, and then people started spamming him instead of shine.
I would also be pretty mad if random people started spamming me when i was playing, and I didnt know what the fuzz is all about.
But Favorit accepts the punishment, and will take his ban if that's necessary.
Rus_Brain:
Well, he does not [accept the punishment], as accepting the punishment is subject to accepting the misconduct at first.
iRk-AgGe:
Well he doesnt think he has done anything wrong, he didnt participate in the tournament, he doesnt understand why admins msg him somce ot was shine who was in tournament.
If shines son had upheld shine when he was playing in the tournament, would his kid be banned? Makes no sense to Favorit, and I can understand that. And i dont defend him being rude to admins, it's never good to be bm against anyone, and i don't support that. but admins had no right contacting him in the first place, they shouldve contacted shine.
Rus_Brain:
(Note: Shows SS of conversation with Favorit. I was unable to read from the image.)
First, it is very unlikely Favorit did not recognize a tournament channel «op /something/», second Shine do not have him on his friends list, third, when admin asked Favorit to leave the game, he refused and delayed the tournament.
Now
It is very good he do not care and will never visit my tournaments, thanks to him for that
The weak point is, I would have been more polite and expected the same from others. «Sorry for that, didn't know» would suffice perfectly at that stage.
iRk-AgGe:
Well why would he have to leave a game when he's not in a tournament? Shine should've left the game.
There is also a lot of «op xxxx channels» around. op irk- is our home channel so if he doesn't know what op jeez is, then yeah he could've just thought it was a random channel. he doesn't play that often since his gf is pregnant and he has to work a lot and take care of her dogs.
Rus_Brain:
Next, as Ilia shared the conversation with him, his real name may be easily facebooked. Thus, it is in the public domain, which subsequently is not protected with gdpr as you advertise that.
All in all I see the misconduct quite willfull, and I have no believe this will not happen again.
Shine was in /dnd as you have told me just few messages ago.
iRk-AgGe:
yeah
so blame him then for being dnd when he is in a tournament
kind of stupid being dnd when waiting for opponent and going in to game
Rus_Brain:
As I see, I cannot reach your reasoning as a clan leader.
iRk-AgGe:
I have done my part
Rus_Brain:
My dad told me «tell me who's your find, I'll tell you who you are», and I now ask myself
iRk-AgGe:
i got favorit to contct you
Rus_Brain:
Why should I keep adding extra points to one of your teammates helping him get funded for his dream practice, or should I opt for a standard competition, where it is highly likely the funds will go elsewhere? At least, considering your teammate's results.
iRk-AgGe:
What do you want from me?
Rus_Brain:
Nothing I can get, I believe. But I hope you have disclosed the conversation as you promised.
Meanwhile, my timeout period stays still
iRk-AgGe:
I have informed my teammates about what happened.
I dont understand what the timeout period means.
But it's ok
16. March
iRk-AgGe:
Yo!
So just wondering, it's gone almost three weeks now, which means the timeout period has passed. What happens now?
Rus_Brain:
Hi there Agge
You were trying so hard to burke this case, that we decided to keep decision within private domain as well.
I hope you don't mind.
iRk-AgGe:
Hm okey, i don't understand what that mean.
Rus_Brain:
Relax then
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Rus_Brain and Incomplete[ReV] (12. April-15. April)
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Incomplete[ReV]:
Hello, Rus_Brain!
I must admit I find this a bit difficult PM to send, and I know it may seem a bit strange/odd and such, but I'd ask that you please read it all before deciding on what you want to do with it.
Before I get to what I want to say/ask, I wish to point out that I don't really have any agenda in all of this. Or rather, the only agenda is the well-being of the BW community and all its members. To ensure its future.
What I would like to talk a bit about, is the situation between you and iRk-AgGe, after Favorit and Shine's situation in the Jeez Weekly. I guess first of all I'd rather ask to make sure I've understood the situation correctly. After all, it's best I don't assume too much and write a long text about it, only to find after that I was completely wrong due to a misunderstanding.
So here is what I am under the impression of what has happened:
1. Shine pariticipates in the Jeez Weekly. While waiting for his opponent, Favorit shows up in channel and is looking for game. Shine and Favorit starts a game. Shine's opponent shows up, and admins try to get in contact with Shine. But Shine is on Busy/Do Not Disturb, and no messages get through. So instead, admins try to contact Favorit. Favorit gets angry and badmouths admins for interrupting his game. Admins also warns him that he'll get banned from the tournament if he doesn't comply.
2. Shine loses his game due to walk over. The situation with Favorit was not resolved, and the admins are not able to resolve it then and there. Therefore, you reached out to AgGe in order to get in touch with Favorit. AgGe refuses to give you Favorit's name, and his Facebook profile, and states the reason being DRPR guidelines. He does however give you Favorit's B.net ID, but is unable to provide his Discord ID (other than the name he uses).
3. You interpret this as trying to work against you. You warn him that if he doesn't get Favorit's permission to give you his name, then all of iRk risk getting banned. You also warn that any funding to any of the players may be stopped, which would mean f.ex. Dewalt would have his fundings stopped due to this matter. You also point out that AgGe should take more responsibility.
4. The discussion doesn't lead much to much more, and you give iRk/ or Favorit/andor AgGe a 2 week timeout.
5. 2 weeks pass and AgGe asks what your decisions is. However, you state that you wish to keep the decision in private and AgGe will have to accept that.
Does this sound about accurate? Or is there more that should be added?
To state why I'm asking and feel it's important that you reply, is that I have very mixed feelings. On one hand, you are doing so many great things for the BW community. And in general, you seem genuinely interested in its growth and well-being. But at the same time, I think it's important that people who have a lot of power also have to wield it wisely and with good intentions. Based on your reactions in this case, I feel you come off as very petty.
You also seem to be a business man with big plans, and that you have the skills to pull them off. But when you use money as leverage against someone this way - money for a player who isn't even involved in the specific case - then I honestly fear it's a prelude to corruption.
What I mean with this - if you have power and plans for more, and you get into a position where you control a lot of the players and what's going on in the community, and you force people to do what you want or else you end their dreams, then I fear for the future of BW.
That is why I think it's important to talk. AgGe did ask me and W4rr10r for advice after your first conversation. He found it to be a difficult situation, understandably. He's not scared. He's not afraid to take his own fight, but rather he found it a bit difficult to really communicate well when he can't articulate himself as well in English as in Swedish. I was also allowed to approach you, since my English is a lot better and we hoped that maybe I could communicate a bit better with you, and that we may find a good solution and understanding.
So I was wondering what your thoughts are around it all?
Lastly, I wrote to you here on TL.net as I wanted to make sure of the conversation's integrity. On Discord, we can change and/or delete messages after we write them. But since we can't do that when we PM here, I can't try to say things you never said and then blame that; "Oh, but he just deleted it". So I want the conversation to be safe (smiley icon)
Hope to hear from you.
Sincerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
Hi Incomplete,
As you are calling for my wizdom, perhaps you will find it just if I ask for a ten years timeout? You won't argue, that we will all be much wiser as the time pass.
Incomplete[ReV]:
I'm essentially trying to give you a chance to prove you're not petty and abusing power, and you respond with threats?
Sincerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
Seems like a trial (smiley icon)
What is your suggestion?
Incomplete[ReV]:
Hehe, to a certain extent, only I am no judge and hold no real power over you. At the same time, I find it's important that people of power are held responsible, to the extent it's possible. I don't like threats, but I also don't like to be dishonest - if you show no sign of there being a true misunderstanding, and you show no sign of truly wanting to consider how you approach people, then I see no other choice than to voice it to the community. But as I've mentioned, I am not a judge. I hold no real power. It would be up to the community to decide what to do. And for all I know, it wouldn't affect you much at all.
But all these threats don't really lead anywhere. What's important is our dialogue. I do thank you for not simply rejecting me right off the bat, but instead at least try to meet me in dialogue. So I was wondering if you in any way consider your handling of iRk to be ill-advised, or if you fully stand by everything?
And for instance, do you claim that AgGe intentionally hindered you getting in contact with Favorit? Or do you believe he actually wants to be on the safe side of privacy laws and such? As a fellow Scandinavian, we really are quite extreme when it comes to personal privacy.
Sincerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
I might have offered u to come to my house to have needful time for discussions, how does this sound?
Incomplete[ReV]:
A bit far, and I'm not too happy about flying and such, but thanks! So would prefer the written word through PM =)
Sincerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
Have u/ Agge discussed the issue with iRk team members? What are their thoughts?
Incomplete[ReV]:
I'd rather we don't change the subject just yet, Please reply to my questions, and I will of course reply to your inquiries as well (smiley icon)
Sincerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
I am not changing the subject at all. The sequence of queries I want to raise is consistent for overall understanding. I hope u don't treat a life as a chess board allowing only one question asked in sequence, do u? So my question regarding other members' thoughts stays important.
Incomplete[ReV]:
Their opinion on the matter as a whole is not necessarily relevant to my question regarding your integrity. Do you consider immediate threats of innocents and blackmailing (i.e. holding Dewalt's funding ransom for a case that's not directly relevant to him) a good way of solving an issue like this? Especially when AgGe did provide B.net ID, and tried to get the Discord ID?
And do you still persist that AgGe willfully tried to hinder you?
However, aside from these questions which I'll expect you to adress in your following PM, AgGe has spoken to his team, yes. But I don't know well enough what they have discussed in detail to truly answer for them. Nevertheless, I am under the impression that they are in agreement, and that they disagree with how you've conducted in the matter.
I'm also under the impression that Favorit accepts his ban, even though he might not agree with it. I.e., that he won't try to sneak in under a different nick or anything, but that he will respect the ban.
But for more specific answers, I would have to get a reply from AgGe. Or if you're not quite confident that you'll get a representative answer from him, I may of course ask some random members (with AgGe's approval, although he won't know who I contact) to get a feel of what they've discussed and what they have concluded.
Sincerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
Do u think I am a lost person with a totally corrupted soul with no chance to come back to light?
Incomplete[ReV]:
Can you please reply without being a conversational bully?
And I believe in redemption for all, and that all should be given not only a chance to speak for themselves, but also a second chance in general.
Until now I have yet to see too many redeeming qualities, though. Somes of it may of course be attributed to being put on the defensive. People on the defensive do tend to bite a bit too much, rather than identify that they're actually given a chance, rather than simply being attacked.
For all I know, you might also not fully contemplate just how much power you have, and still gain. And to which extent it affects those around you - including innocent bystanders.
So will you please respond - do you still persist that threats and blackmailing to get personal information from a third part was a good decision? And do you believe AgGe willfully tried to hinder your handling of the case with Favorit?
Sincerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
The core issue is that Dewalt was threatened with some kind of offense, albeit the claims were towards Agge and Favorit?
Incomplete[ReV]:
That's the most severe issue, yes.
Sincerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
Imagine that you have made a TL post, what's the ultimate goal?
Incomplete[ReV]:
Can you please stop dodging the question and actually answer the two questions I've sent?
Do you still persist that threats and blackmailing to get personal information from a third part was a good decision? And do you believe AgGe willfully tried to hinder your handling of the case with Favorit?
As for the ultimate goal of a potential TL post: It would be to ensure the future of SC:R, and to protect the players, admins, and organizers in said community. To ensure that the foundation upon which we build our community is on solid ground and with integrity. That we are not so desperate that we accept the wrong individuals to reach power, simply due to short-term gains.
Please note that I've tried to reply to as many of your questions as I can, despite voicing frustration that you don't respond to the initial question at all. I ask that you please cooperate.
The most ideal outcome of this situation, is that you can keep being part of the community, to host tournaments and be involved. To gain even more support, even from us. But with the pretense that you realize that what you've done is blackmailing, and that it's the wrong thing to do. And that instead of bullying and blackmailing, you'd rather want to make a fresh start in how you treat others.
Your demise is not our main goal. Our main goal is to give you a reality check and hopefully have you change your ways. A post on TL.net would be a last resort to serve a greater goal. And again, it may or may not really affect you. I can't sit here and say that we'll "take you down", because eventually it'd be up to popular opinion.
Sincerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
Your two questions are easily converted into the demand to confess and apologize (smiley icon)
I'm still wondering whether you are up and willing to make a thoughtful analysis (which takes a lot of effort and time), or just a simply biased post to help your friend get the moral retribution for being heavily harassed.
Incomplete[ReV]:
I do what is required for the well-being of BW, its future, and for the well-being of all other lives I may affect. Even if it requires a lot of time and diligence. This also includes your well-being. I've tried to make a great deal of effort here in order to meet you in dialogue, since as I'm fairly certain I've mentioned before - the best thing would be for you to remain in the community and to keep doing what you're doing. There's no denying all the good you've done for our community. But I also think it's important that we don't give room for an ethic where X amount of good justifies X amount of bad.
It's also important that the cause is put before friendship. If I thought AgGe were in the wrong, I would have told him to get a grip and quit whining. Because that's what friends do. Correct when wrong, and support when right. And stand by them regardless.
I guess my dream would be that you realized that threats and blackmailing is not a good go-to response whenever faced with any opposition. That you'd make a post about it on TL.net and made a statement that you realize that you're a person of certain power in the community now, and that your demeanor affects individuals greatly. And that that is a responsibility you'd like to take more seriously.
If such a path were chosen, we would support you. We would salute it and be happy for a friendly and constructive solution.
But if this really doesn't lead anywhere, and we'll just keep going in circles, then I see no point in keeping it going. Nor do I seek to waste more of your time.
If you wish to disclose this conversation, then I will at least thank you for all your time. Since even though we really haven't gotten anywhere in terms of discussion, you have at least replied diligently. And for that I am thankful.
It sounds odd, but I actually do love you, as I love all. And I do wish you well in life.
Sincerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
Would you help me with the statement wording you/Agge seek?
Incomplete[ReV]:
Aye, we would of course help as much as possible =)
SIncerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
I have asked Dewalt to reconcile our debts. He said there are none. Would you/Agge please comment?
Incomplete[ReV]:
Any unpaid debts are not the problem. As I understand, you always deliver when it comes to paying prizes and such. What we have a problem with is your use of threats, and using others as leverage to get at a third party.
For instance, your first reply to me was a threat, rather than wanting to talk it over. And when AgGe didn't give you Favorit's name and surname, you also responded with threats.
I quote from your conversation with AgGe:
"May I get you to get his permission to pass his Name to me at the risk of getting entire iRk- team from Jeez? <3"
and
"Dewalt's further funding is subsequently at risk as well, as u understand"
I think it's important to realize that as you gain more and more power, you hold more of people's lives and dreams in your hand. I'm not saying that some threats and bans should be illegal. For instance, if you wish to ban Favorit, then quite frankly I wouldn't mind. Responding to you by trash talking and such is not a good way to respond, and it should be within reason for you to ban such individuals. Even though people should have some protection in terms of who you can ban or not, I think individual who actually do something like that should be fine to ban. I don't quite agree, but I think it's acceptable. It's not something that would make you corrupt. That's your choice, and that's that.
BUT, I don't think it's okay to threaten to ban an entire clan just because you're not getting someone's personal information. Even if you didn't get the name, you did get Favorit's B.net ID.
And the worst of it, was threatning to cut all funding to Dewalt because of an argument that didn't really have anything to do with him. I'm not sure to which extent you thought of it, but what you did was try to blackmail AgGe for personal information of Favorit, by using Dewalt. What you essentially said was; "If you don't give my Favorit's name, I will hurt Dewalt". Not really hurt physically and such, but it's an unfair threat regardless.
So in terms of helping with a statement and such, I'd honestly advice you to point out that you've done such things, but that you realize that it's not a good way to treat people, and that you wish to make sure people are treated fairly. And the reason for stating it in public, is to ensure your integrity. So that if you happen to do it again, people can refer to your statement and say that; "Hey, this isn't right, you even said you wouldn't do it".
People are used to a lot of admins making unfair judgements and such. And it's not always that big of a deal. But when you involve money, and the real dreams of people, it becomes something different. It becomes even more important to treat people fairly.
So the problem isn't about unpaid debts. It's about how you treat people, and that as you gain more power, we'd like to ask that you be more careful with threats and punishing people who aren't directly involved. I think trust is important. And I think such a statement will ensure trust. Since if you just tell us that "oh, sure, I'll do it", then we have no real way of holding you accountable. We also don't really have any way of being sure. But if you make a public statement, then we will be assured, and the public will have good reason to trust you further.
Sorry for the long post, but I just wanted to make more certain that I am able to convey my thoughts properly. What are your thoughts?
Sincerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
I beg your pardon for asking, but are you a gay?
Incomplete[ReV]:
It truly saddens me that you chose this path. I see nothing left to gain.
Thank you for your time nonetheless.
Sincerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
No, really. Yours or Agge's soul is much too gentle, so the thing came to my mind.
You/Agge is saying that Shine is a fag/ the only guilty party in the situation. Trust, that I had a chance talking to him, to Favorit and to Agge. Compare the styles:
Shine: "Oh, sorry man, I thought he is my opponent so I played him. Sorry for causing troubles"
Agge: "Discord id: Favorit. I can't see his number for some reason. Very sorry i can't help out more"
Favorit: "You should take care to teach your admins and make better organization, lol. Go ahead and ban me from ur tournaments, i dont give a fuck"
Hosting tournaments, free of charge, is a public good which should at least result in some level of respect. So the case is that Shine does not really care whether he made something bad, or not, he just shows this respect. Favorit does not give a fuck to the contrary.
Agge's initial unwillingness to cooperate was eventually raised to Favorit suddenly made a contact. And converting the attitude from friendly to hostile was all it took.
As you can see, no real action followed, but you are trying to sell me my soul is corrupted. Are you serious? :D I conder yours/ Agge's shitting a ton of bricks a good slap on the wrist. Hope you won't publicly announce that you don't give a fuck to guys who give a fuck at their expense, regularly and free of charge, at least my tournaments.
Hello, Rus_Brain!
I must admit I find this a bit difficult PM to send, and I know it may seem a bit strange/odd and such, but I'd ask that you please read it all before deciding on what you want to do with it.
Before I get to what I want to say/ask, I wish to point out that I don't really have any agenda in all of this. Or rather, the only agenda is the well-being of the BW community and all its members. To ensure its future.
What I would like to talk a bit about, is the situation between you and iRk-AgGe, after Favorit and Shine's situation in the Jeez Weekly. I guess first of all I'd rather ask to make sure I've understood the situation correctly. After all, it's best I don't assume too much and write a long text about it, only to find after that I was completely wrong due to a misunderstanding.
So here is what I am under the impression of what has happened:
1. Shine pariticipates in the Jeez Weekly. While waiting for his opponent, Favorit shows up in channel and is looking for game. Shine and Favorit starts a game. Shine's opponent shows up, and admins try to get in contact with Shine. But Shine is on Busy/Do Not Disturb, and no messages get through. So instead, admins try to contact Favorit. Favorit gets angry and badmouths admins for interrupting his game. Admins also warns him that he'll get banned from the tournament if he doesn't comply.
2. Shine loses his game due to walk over. The situation with Favorit was not resolved, and the admins are not able to resolve it then and there. Therefore, you reached out to AgGe in order to get in touch with Favorit. AgGe refuses to give you Favorit's name, and his Facebook profile, and states the reason being DRPR guidelines. He does however give you Favorit's B.net ID, but is unable to provide his Discord ID (other than the name he uses).
3. You interpret this as trying to work against you. You warn him that if he doesn't get Favorit's permission to give you his name, then all of iRk risk getting banned. You also warn that any funding to any of the players may be stopped, which would mean f.ex. Dewalt would have his fundings stopped due to this matter. You also point out that AgGe should take more responsibility.
4. The discussion doesn't lead much to much more, and you give iRk/ or Favorit/andor AgGe a 2 week timeout.
5. 2 weeks pass and AgGe asks what your decisions is. However, you state that you wish to keep the decision in private and AgGe will have to accept that.
Does this sound about accurate? Or is there more that should be added?
To state why I'm asking and feel it's important that you reply, is that I have very mixed feelings. On one hand, you are doing so many great things for the BW community. And in general, you seem genuinely interested in its growth and well-being. But at the same time, I think it's important that people who have a lot of power also have to wield it wisely and with good intentions. Based on your reactions in this case, I feel you come off as very petty.
You also seem to be a business man with big plans, and that you have the skills to pull them off. But when you use money as leverage against someone this way - money for a player who isn't even involved in the specific case - then I honestly fear it's a prelude to corruption.
What I mean with this - if you have power and plans for more, and you get into a position where you control a lot of the players and what's going on in the community, and you force people to do what you want or else you end their dreams, then I fear for the future of BW.
That is why I think it's important to talk. AgGe did ask me and W4rr10r for advice after your first conversation. He found it to be a difficult situation, understandably. He's not scared. He's not afraid to take his own fight, but rather he found it a bit difficult to really communicate well when he can't articulate himself as well in English as in Swedish. I was also allowed to approach you, since my English is a lot better and we hoped that maybe I could communicate a bit better with you, and that we may find a good solution and understanding.
So I was wondering what your thoughts are around it all?
Lastly, I wrote to you here on TL.net as I wanted to make sure of the conversation's integrity. On Discord, we can change and/or delete messages after we write them. But since we can't do that when we PM here, I can't try to say things you never said and then blame that; "Oh, but he just deleted it". So I want the conversation to be safe (smiley icon)
Hope to hear from you.
Sincerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
Hi Incomplete,
As you are calling for my wizdom, perhaps you will find it just if I ask for a ten years timeout? You won't argue, that we will all be much wiser as the time pass.
Incomplete[ReV]:
I'm essentially trying to give you a chance to prove you're not petty and abusing power, and you respond with threats?
Sincerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
Seems like a trial (smiley icon)
What is your suggestion?
Incomplete[ReV]:
Hehe, to a certain extent, only I am no judge and hold no real power over you. At the same time, I find it's important that people of power are held responsible, to the extent it's possible. I don't like threats, but I also don't like to be dishonest - if you show no sign of there being a true misunderstanding, and you show no sign of truly wanting to consider how you approach people, then I see no other choice than to voice it to the community. But as I've mentioned, I am not a judge. I hold no real power. It would be up to the community to decide what to do. And for all I know, it wouldn't affect you much at all.
But all these threats don't really lead anywhere. What's important is our dialogue. I do thank you for not simply rejecting me right off the bat, but instead at least try to meet me in dialogue. So I was wondering if you in any way consider your handling of iRk to be ill-advised, or if you fully stand by everything?
And for instance, do you claim that AgGe intentionally hindered you getting in contact with Favorit? Or do you believe he actually wants to be on the safe side of privacy laws and such? As a fellow Scandinavian, we really are quite extreme when it comes to personal privacy.
Sincerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
I might have offered u to come to my house to have needful time for discussions, how does this sound?
Incomplete[ReV]:
A bit far, and I'm not too happy about flying and such, but thanks! So would prefer the written word through PM =)
Sincerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
Have u/ Agge discussed the issue with iRk team members? What are their thoughts?
Incomplete[ReV]:
I'd rather we don't change the subject just yet, Please reply to my questions, and I will of course reply to your inquiries as well (smiley icon)
Sincerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
I am not changing the subject at all. The sequence of queries I want to raise is consistent for overall understanding. I hope u don't treat a life as a chess board allowing only one question asked in sequence, do u? So my question regarding other members' thoughts stays important.
Incomplete[ReV]:
Their opinion on the matter as a whole is not necessarily relevant to my question regarding your integrity. Do you consider immediate threats of innocents and blackmailing (i.e. holding Dewalt's funding ransom for a case that's not directly relevant to him) a good way of solving an issue like this? Especially when AgGe did provide B.net ID, and tried to get the Discord ID?
And do you still persist that AgGe willfully tried to hinder you?
However, aside from these questions which I'll expect you to adress in your following PM, AgGe has spoken to his team, yes. But I don't know well enough what they have discussed in detail to truly answer for them. Nevertheless, I am under the impression that they are in agreement, and that they disagree with how you've conducted in the matter.
I'm also under the impression that Favorit accepts his ban, even though he might not agree with it. I.e., that he won't try to sneak in under a different nick or anything, but that he will respect the ban.
But for more specific answers, I would have to get a reply from AgGe. Or if you're not quite confident that you'll get a representative answer from him, I may of course ask some random members (with AgGe's approval, although he won't know who I contact) to get a feel of what they've discussed and what they have concluded.
Sincerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
Do u think I am a lost person with a totally corrupted soul with no chance to come back to light?
Incomplete[ReV]:
Can you please reply without being a conversational bully?
And I believe in redemption for all, and that all should be given not only a chance to speak for themselves, but also a second chance in general.
Until now I have yet to see too many redeeming qualities, though. Somes of it may of course be attributed to being put on the defensive. People on the defensive do tend to bite a bit too much, rather than identify that they're actually given a chance, rather than simply being attacked.
For all I know, you might also not fully contemplate just how much power you have, and still gain. And to which extent it affects those around you - including innocent bystanders.
So will you please respond - do you still persist that threats and blackmailing to get personal information from a third part was a good decision? And do you believe AgGe willfully tried to hinder your handling of the case with Favorit?
Sincerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
The core issue is that Dewalt was threatened with some kind of offense, albeit the claims were towards Agge and Favorit?
Incomplete[ReV]:
That's the most severe issue, yes.
Sincerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
Imagine that you have made a TL post, what's the ultimate goal?
Incomplete[ReV]:
Can you please stop dodging the question and actually answer the two questions I've sent?
Do you still persist that threats and blackmailing to get personal information from a third part was a good decision? And do you believe AgGe willfully tried to hinder your handling of the case with Favorit?
As for the ultimate goal of a potential TL post: It would be to ensure the future of SC:R, and to protect the players, admins, and organizers in said community. To ensure that the foundation upon which we build our community is on solid ground and with integrity. That we are not so desperate that we accept the wrong individuals to reach power, simply due to short-term gains.
Please note that I've tried to reply to as many of your questions as I can, despite voicing frustration that you don't respond to the initial question at all. I ask that you please cooperate.
The most ideal outcome of this situation, is that you can keep being part of the community, to host tournaments and be involved. To gain even more support, even from us. But with the pretense that you realize that what you've done is blackmailing, and that it's the wrong thing to do. And that instead of bullying and blackmailing, you'd rather want to make a fresh start in how you treat others.
Your demise is not our main goal. Our main goal is to give you a reality check and hopefully have you change your ways. A post on TL.net would be a last resort to serve a greater goal. And again, it may or may not really affect you. I can't sit here and say that we'll "take you down", because eventually it'd be up to popular opinion.
Sincerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
Your two questions are easily converted into the demand to confess and apologize (smiley icon)
I'm still wondering whether you are up and willing to make a thoughtful analysis (which takes a lot of effort and time), or just a simply biased post to help your friend get the moral retribution for being heavily harassed.
Incomplete[ReV]:
I do what is required for the well-being of BW, its future, and for the well-being of all other lives I may affect. Even if it requires a lot of time and diligence. This also includes your well-being. I've tried to make a great deal of effort here in order to meet you in dialogue, since as I'm fairly certain I've mentioned before - the best thing would be for you to remain in the community and to keep doing what you're doing. There's no denying all the good you've done for our community. But I also think it's important that we don't give room for an ethic where X amount of good justifies X amount of bad.
It's also important that the cause is put before friendship. If I thought AgGe were in the wrong, I would have told him to get a grip and quit whining. Because that's what friends do. Correct when wrong, and support when right. And stand by them regardless.
I guess my dream would be that you realized that threats and blackmailing is not a good go-to response whenever faced with any opposition. That you'd make a post about it on TL.net and made a statement that you realize that you're a person of certain power in the community now, and that your demeanor affects individuals greatly. And that that is a responsibility you'd like to take more seriously.
If such a path were chosen, we would support you. We would salute it and be happy for a friendly and constructive solution.
But if this really doesn't lead anywhere, and we'll just keep going in circles, then I see no point in keeping it going. Nor do I seek to waste more of your time.
If you wish to disclose this conversation, then I will at least thank you for all your time. Since even though we really haven't gotten anywhere in terms of discussion, you have at least replied diligently. And for that I am thankful.
It sounds odd, but I actually do love you, as I love all. And I do wish you well in life.
Sincerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
Would you help me with the statement wording you/Agge seek?
Incomplete[ReV]:
Aye, we would of course help as much as possible =)
SIncerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
I have asked Dewalt to reconcile our debts. He said there are none. Would you/Agge please comment?
Incomplete[ReV]:
Any unpaid debts are not the problem. As I understand, you always deliver when it comes to paying prizes and such. What we have a problem with is your use of threats, and using others as leverage to get at a third party.
For instance, your first reply to me was a threat, rather than wanting to talk it over. And when AgGe didn't give you Favorit's name and surname, you also responded with threats.
I quote from your conversation with AgGe:
"May I get you to get his permission to pass his Name to me at the risk of getting entire iRk- team from Jeez? <3"
and
"Dewalt's further funding is subsequently at risk as well, as u understand"
I think it's important to realize that as you gain more and more power, you hold more of people's lives and dreams in your hand. I'm not saying that some threats and bans should be illegal. For instance, if you wish to ban Favorit, then quite frankly I wouldn't mind. Responding to you by trash talking and such is not a good way to respond, and it should be within reason for you to ban such individuals. Even though people should have some protection in terms of who you can ban or not, I think individual who actually do something like that should be fine to ban. I don't quite agree, but I think it's acceptable. It's not something that would make you corrupt. That's your choice, and that's that.
BUT, I don't think it's okay to threaten to ban an entire clan just because you're not getting someone's personal information. Even if you didn't get the name, you did get Favorit's B.net ID.
And the worst of it, was threatning to cut all funding to Dewalt because of an argument that didn't really have anything to do with him. I'm not sure to which extent you thought of it, but what you did was try to blackmail AgGe for personal information of Favorit, by using Dewalt. What you essentially said was; "If you don't give my Favorit's name, I will hurt Dewalt". Not really hurt physically and such, but it's an unfair threat regardless.
So in terms of helping with a statement and such, I'd honestly advice you to point out that you've done such things, but that you realize that it's not a good way to treat people, and that you wish to make sure people are treated fairly. And the reason for stating it in public, is to ensure your integrity. So that if you happen to do it again, people can refer to your statement and say that; "Hey, this isn't right, you even said you wouldn't do it".
People are used to a lot of admins making unfair judgements and such. And it's not always that big of a deal. But when you involve money, and the real dreams of people, it becomes something different. It becomes even more important to treat people fairly.
So the problem isn't about unpaid debts. It's about how you treat people, and that as you gain more power, we'd like to ask that you be more careful with threats and punishing people who aren't directly involved. I think trust is important. And I think such a statement will ensure trust. Since if you just tell us that "oh, sure, I'll do it", then we have no real way of holding you accountable. We also don't really have any way of being sure. But if you make a public statement, then we will be assured, and the public will have good reason to trust you further.
Sorry for the long post, but I just wanted to make more certain that I am able to convey my thoughts properly. What are your thoughts?
Sincerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
I beg your pardon for asking, but are you a gay?
Incomplete[ReV]:
It truly saddens me that you chose this path. I see nothing left to gain.
Thank you for your time nonetheless.
Sincerely,
Incomplete[ReV]
Rus_Brain:
No, really. Yours or Agge's soul is much too gentle, so the thing came to my mind.
You/Agge is saying that Shine is a fag/ the only guilty party in the situation. Trust, that I had a chance talking to him, to Favorit and to Agge. Compare the styles:
Shine: "Oh, sorry man, I thought he is my opponent so I played him. Sorry for causing troubles"
Agge: "Discord id: Favorit. I can't see his number for some reason. Very sorry i can't help out more"
Favorit: "You should take care to teach your admins and make better organization, lol. Go ahead and ban me from ur tournaments, i dont give a fuck"
Hosting tournaments, free of charge, is a public good which should at least result in some level of respect. So the case is that Shine does not really care whether he made something bad, or not, he just shows this respect. Favorit does not give a fuck to the contrary.
Agge's initial unwillingness to cooperate was eventually raised to Favorit suddenly made a contact. And converting the attitude from friendly to hostile was all it took.
As you can see, no real action followed, but you are trying to sell me my soul is corrupted. Are you serious? :D I conder yours/ Agge's shitting a ton of bricks a good slap on the wrist. Hope you won't publicly announce that you don't give a fuck to guys who give a fuck at their expense, regularly and free of charge, at least my tournaments.
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