hi..im new sc2 fan and i got hooked on watching the game

i like all of the eu na pros that stream and i watched dreamhack NA recently and really loved and impressed by how exciting and entertaining players like astrea are

i wanna know who are the best players are outside of korea because im not that interested in korean players and prefer foreigners because their personalities are so entertaining and fun to watch so i wanna cheer for them

all i know is astrea and heromarine, are they among the best?

MockHamill

Sweden1753 Posts

August 25 2020 11:47 GMT

You are in luck. The best player on the planet is a foreigner called Serral.

SenorChang

Australia4680 Posts

August 25 2020 11:53 GMT

On August 25 2020 20:47 MockHamill wrote:
You are in luck. The best player on the planet is a foreigner called Serral.

don't lie to the newbie, the best player is me.

Exedo

8 Posts

August 25 2020 12:02 GMT

Astrea and Heromarine are really, really good. But foreigners are currently heavily outclassed by Serral and to some extent as well by Reynor, who is doing exceptionally well. I would just follow upcoming major tournaments like Dreamhacks. You'll always know whether someone is a Korean or a foreigner and you can immediatly tell who's a good pro and who is even a level above. Enjoy your new found hobby! Many of us are here for years now, so you're in for a potential long term commitment. :D

followZeRoX

Serbia1414 Posts

August 25 2020 12:32 GMT

On August 25 2020 20:44 mewtwoforyou wrote:
hi..im new sc2 fan and i got hooked on watching the game

i like all of the eu na pros that stream and i watched dreamhack NA recently and really loved and impressed by how exciting and entertaining players like astrea are

i wanna know who are the best players are outside of korea because im not that interested in korean players and prefer foreigners because their personalities are so entertaining and fun to watch so i wanna cheer for them

all i know is astrea and heromarine, are they among the best?

Nice to have you! Nee blood is always more then welcome.

My list of best EU players would be consisted of :

Terran :

1.Clem, 2.HeroMarine, 3. SouL, 4. Uthermal, 5. MarineLorD

Hot prospects : Milkicow, AqueroN, Arctur, Cuku. Also, Kas is pretty god as old guard.

Protoss:

1. ShowTime, 2. PtitDrogo, 3. Harstem, 4. MaNa, 5. Skillous.

Hot prospects : MaxPax, arrogfire, goblin Spatz. Hellraiser and Gerald are close to top5.

Zerg :

1. Reynor, 2. Serral, 3. Elazer, 4. Lambo, 5. Vanya/Denver.

Hot prospects : souleer, garitos, kiyj. Also, Bly, SortOf and Stephano are really good with chance that former best EU pro Stephano make comeback if he is active.
I probably forgot someone but scene is active and there are many good players we dont even know. Like, guy named Battle, german terran made impressive run in 3rd qualifier, almost qualifying.

I dont know much about NA scene, someone will do it better then me for sure.

MarianoSC2

Slovakia1687 Posts

August 25 2020 12:39 GMT

Serral and Reynor are the best foreigners by quite a big margin. And then you have the 2nd tier foreigners but still very, very good like Heromarine, Clem, Showtime, Special, Astrea, Neeb...

Drfilip

Sweden415 Posts

August 25 2020 13:05 GMT

ESL has weekly cups on 3 servers. Astrea did really well on the Korean server the first months, so you thinking Astrea is good isn't surprising. On the other hand, Heromarine was the overlord of ESL open Europe for a while (Serral didn't compete).

There are a lot of players at the top. This year has been more even than most. Serral is not expected to win EVERY tournament. Reynor is losing to more players than Serral and Koreans. Newer players are performing really well (Astrea and Clem being 2 examples). Veteran players have had some hot streaks.
Exciting times for fans of non-Koreans.

Ziggy

Poland2027 Posts

August 25 2020 13:15 GMT

Mvp is the only guy you need to care about, the rest are meh

Shuffleblade

Sweden1896 Posts

August 25 2020 13:17 GMT

For foreign protoss players I just want to chip and say that in my opinion Astrea, Showtime and Mana are really ahead of the pack.

Clem , Heromarine and uThermal seems equally a bit sharper than other foreigner terrans.

For zerg there is basically only Serral and Reynor, there are many others very good players but they are all clearly below the two previously mentioned.

Foreign sc2 is in a really great place right now, hope you will enjoy your time with the game!

dbRic1203

Germany2060 Posts

August 25 2020 14:38 GMT

#10

My completly unbiased list of foreigners:
1Reynor
2Serral
3Clem
4Heromarine
5Showtime
6Elazer
7Special
8uThermal
9Astrea
10Lambo
11Neeb
12Scarlett

Player to look out for in the near future: MaxPax

outscar

2225 Posts

August 25 2020 14:44 GMT

#11

Do you even ask? Of course it's IdrA!

DiMano

Korea (South)2046 Posts

August 25 2020 14:49 GMT

#12

Aligulac is your database of palyers ranked by perfomance and you can see there all results from all tournaments.

aligulac.com

Here is the current top foreigners.
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Here you can see who wins premier tournaments.
liquipedia.net

Big-t

Austria1332 Posts

August 25 2020 14:53 GMT

#13

Die Mauer (the wall) aka Showtime, because when you hit it, you get hurt and when it falls down on you, you get hurt. You can only loose agaist a Mauer.

Best foreigner is Serral though^^

WombaT

Northern Ireland16254 Posts

August 25 2020 15:12 GMT

#14

Welcome to the fold man. Pretty comprehensive responses from others already, although I wouldn’t discount the Koreans either. Parting is one player who is rather entertaining and streams a lot for foreign audiences while being an extremely high level player too.

travis

United States23849 Posts

August 25 2020 15:17 GMT

#15

While Serral and Reynor are pretty clearly the best foreign players, HeroMarine is actually pretty close I think. Time and time again he shows how consistent he is, and despite my bias towards Clem, Heromarine tends to have better overall results and has better head to head results as well. I also think he even has pretty close head to head results vs reynor, too.

On August 25 2020 22:17 Shuffleblade wrote:
For foreign protoss players I just want to chip and say that in my opinion Astrea, Showtime and Mana are really ahead of the pack.

We also have ptitdrogo randomly appearing in top form every year or so and potentially being the best foreign protoss. Then generally immediately dropping off the face of the earth a month or so later.

dbRic1203

Germany2060 Posts

August 25 2020 15:25 GMT

#16

On August 26 2020 00:17 travis wrote:
We also have ptitdrogo randomly appearing in top form every year or so and potentially being the best foreign protoss. Then generally immediately dropping off the face of the earth a month or so later.

Drogo is like Rogue with lower peaks, instead of winning GSL or Kato, he gets a top 4 in DH EU

Both are realy inconsistent

Lorning

Belgica34365 Posts

August 25 2020 16:25 GMT

#17

Best player is (Wiki)

Creator

sneakyfox

8208 Posts

August 25 2020 16:37 GMT

#18

Best foreigners are still Polt and TRUE tbh

Paljas

Germany6754 Posts

August 25 2020 16:44 GMT

#19

because im not that interested in korean players and prefer foreigners because their personalities are so entertaining and fun to watch

Poopi

France10350 Posts

August 25 2020 16:50 GMT

#20

HeroMarine is the top dog of ESL pro cups, in which the 2 best foreigners don’t participate much, if at all.
These two best foreigner players, Serral and Reynor, are heads and shoulders ahead of the other foreigners, although still mortal, and are toe to toe with the best Korean players.
Astrea is a very good NA Protoss player that went and trained in Korea for some time iirc. His results in War Chest Team League are a bit inflated by having the best ping advantage against every opponent iirc, and he has less experience than Neeb, another NA Protoss player, who was the best foreigner in 2017 and stayed top 2 or top 3 foreign Protoss ever since (and probably between top 3 and top 8 among foreigners).
Clem is a very promising young French terran, probably more skilled than HeroMarine (according to HM) at the moment, but with less experience so his performances have more variance.

Overall the aligulac list is good, but does not really take into account (afaik) the stakes of the games played, so the EPT points list is probably more accurate to gauge the foreigners, even though the sample size is still a bit low.

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