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On March 05 2020 09:43 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2020 09:30 StasisField wrote:On March 05 2020 08:52 Nakajin wrote:
Who do we think for an (eventual) Biden vp?
I'd say Haris but I'm not sure he need a Californian, maybe O'Roorke or Booker? I have a feeling it'll be Warren. I would prefer Bernie though, if only to better unite the left. A lot of the progressive base hates Warren right now and thinks she is staying in to screw over Bernie and get a VP position from Biden, and making her VP will only add fuel to the flame. I would also feel a lot better voting for Biden in his current mental state knowing someone like Bernie would take up the reins in case Biden was deemed no longer fit for duty. The DNC won't risk that happening though. You can't have Bernie-Biden, they're both in danger of dying in the near future.
Warren is 70. Really not that much better.
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On March 05 2020 09:55 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2020 09:43 Nakajin wrote:On March 05 2020 09:30 StasisField wrote:On March 05 2020 08:52 Nakajin wrote:
Who do we think for an (eventual) Biden vp?
I'd say Haris but I'm not sure he need a Californian, maybe O'Roorke or Booker? I have a feeling it'll be Warren. I would prefer Bernie though, if only to better unite the left. A lot of the progressive base hates Warren right now and thinks she is staying in to screw over Bernie and get a VP position from Biden, and making her VP will only add fuel to the flame. I would also feel a lot better voting for Biden in his current mental state knowing someone like Bernie would take up the reins in case Biden was deemed no longer fit for duty. The DNC won't risk that happening though. You can't have Bernie-Biden, they're both in danger of dying in the near future. As long as they don’t die at the exact same time it should be fine. A new VP would be named once Bernie took over for example.
It sound good if you really want it, but it would look really bad on a debate stage, partly because the world is profoundly unjust and cruel and Trump honestly seems to me to be way better shape than those two. If Biden is up there and has to answer question about who would be the vp of his vp in case he become president it would just go to shit.
And 70 vs 78 is a big gap at this age and she seems to still have a lot of energy in her + Warren is a women and they tend to live longer. (It's still maybe old enough to have the same line of questioning tho)
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On March 05 2020 09:43 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2020 00:47 Wombat_NI wrote:On March 05 2020 00:43 Sent. wrote:
Those attempts to present the left as Jedis and the right as Siths remind me of the quote someone brought up in the main thread few months ago. It was something like "the left sees the right as evil and the right sees the left as stupid" (or naive, I don't remember). Kids on reddit who make these comparisons unironically are becoming the very thing they swore to destroy, as only a Sith deals in absolutes. Isn’t that phrase inherently contradictory when Obi-Wan says it? He's responding to Anakin saying "if you're not with me, then you're my enemy" to which Obi-wan responds in the aforementioned manner. Anakin is using the absolute to try and paint things black and white, while Obi-wan sees it more as the gray inbetween in that moment. Obi-wan doesn't see the situation as being that simple, since they aren't on the same side of that fight, but isn't Anakin's enemy either.
Your explanation may have been a better way to put it. Lucas was attempting to be deep/ pithy, but instead fell on his face as either Obi Wan created a self-contradicting statement or is a Sith himself. The odd thing is almost immediately Anakin switches to relative reasoning "From my point of view" which is not at all absolutist. Swing and a miss on burning GWB.
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On March 05 2020 10:30 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2020 09:43 Gahlo wrote:On March 05 2020 00:47 Wombat_NI wrote:On March 05 2020 00:43 Sent. wrote:
Those attempts to present the left as Jedis and the right as Siths remind me of the quote someone brought up in the main thread few months ago. It was something like "the left sees the right as evil and the right sees the left as stupid" (or naive, I don't remember). Kids on reddit who make these comparisons unironically are becoming the very thing they swore to destroy, as only a Sith deals in absolutes. Isn’t that phrase inherently contradictory when Obi-Wan says it? He's responding to Anakin saying "if you're not with me, then you're my enemy" to which Obi-wan responds in the aforementioned manner. Anakin is using the absolute to try and paint things black and white, while Obi-wan sees it more as the gray inbetween in that moment. Obi-wan doesn't see the situation as being that simple, since they aren't on the same side of that fight, but isn't Anakin's enemy either. Your explanation may have been a better way to put it. Lucas was attempting to be deep/ pithy, but instead fell on his face as either Obi Wan created a self-contradicting statement or is a Sith himself. The odd thing is almost immediately Anakin switches to relative reasoning "From my point of view" which is not at all absolutist. Swing and a miss on burning GWB.
Which I think is fair, because I don't believe Anakin saw himself as a Sith yet either. The real problem with Obi's wording is that "deal" doesn't have enough punch to bring the point across. So many people just completely overlook it or ignore the context of the quote.
Warren needs to drop out before the next debate or primary if she has a single progressive bone in her body.
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On March 05 2020 09:43 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2020 09:30 StasisField wrote:On March 05 2020 08:52 Nakajin wrote:
Who do we think for an (eventual) Biden vp?
I'd say Haris but I'm not sure he need a Californian, maybe O'Roorke or Booker? I have a feeling it'll be Warren. I would prefer Bernie though, if only to better unite the left. A lot of the progressive base hates Warren right now and thinks she is staying in to screw over Bernie and get a VP position from Biden, and making her VP will only add fuel to the flame. I would also feel a lot better voting for Biden in his current mental state knowing someone like Bernie would take up the reins in case Biden was deemed no longer fit for duty. The DNC won't risk that happening though. You can't have Bernie-Biden, they're both in danger of dying in the near future. For Warren it depend how Biden want to play it, you can either chose your VP for image/ideological reason (like Palin for exemple) or you can chose them for more electorate and strategical reason. (like Tim Cain for example, a senator from a semi-swing state fluent in spanish)
Eh, I would say Bernie is in great health and so have multiple doctors. He has plenty of energy despite doing 3-4 rallies a day sometimes. He is coherent when he speaks too. He is in far better shape than Biden and he still routinely exercises too. I think Bernie would be a good strategic choice. He already does well with independents and he would help retain a lot of the progressive vote, many of whom feel disgruntled right now. Again, I doubt it'll happen. The DNC would not dare risk Biden stepping down or passing away and letting Bernie run the show.
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What exactly are Biden's and Bloomberg's campaign platforms, anyway? 'Vote for us, we're not Donald Trump' is about all I saw in debates and such, but how does that make sense... surely anyone happy with the status quo would be okay with simply re-electing Trump, and if people are not happy with the status quo then why would they vote for someone who pretty much straight up says they'll maintain the status quo except with a different face behind the desk? I don't get it. Is it because they like the status quo but can't stand the idea of the red team winning because they're on team blue, or something?
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On March 05 2020 12:14 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2020 09:43 Nakajin wrote:On March 05 2020 09:30 StasisField wrote:On March 05 2020 08:52 Nakajin wrote:
Who do we think for an (eventual) Biden vp?
I'd say Haris but I'm not sure he need a Californian, maybe O'Roorke or Booker? I have a feeling it'll be Warren. I would prefer Bernie though, if only to better unite the left. A lot of the progressive base hates Warren right now and thinks she is staying in to screw over Bernie and get a VP position from Biden, and making her VP will only add fuel to the flame. I would also feel a lot better voting for Biden in his current mental state knowing someone like Bernie would take up the reins in case Biden was deemed no longer fit for duty. The DNC won't risk that happening though. You can't have Bernie-Biden, they're both in danger of dying in the near future. For Warren it depend how Biden want to play it, you can either chose your VP for image/ideological reason (like Palin for exemple) or you can chose them for more electorate and strategical reason. (like Tim Cain for example, a senator from a semi-swing state fluent in spanish) Eh, I would say Bernie is in great health and so have multiple doctors. He has plenty of energy despite doing 3-4 rallies a day sometimes. He is coherent when he speaks too. He is in far better shape than Biden and he still routinely exercises too. I think Bernie would be a good strategic choice. He already does well with independents and he would help retain a lot of the progressive vote, many of whom feel disgruntled right now. Again, I doubt it'll happen. The DNC would not dare risk Biden stepping down or passing away and letting Bernie run the show.
He hasn't released his health records and recently had a heart attack. The former wouldn't matter if not for the latter. The point about Biden is well taken.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 05 2020 13:23 Salazarz wrote:
What exactly are Biden's and Bloomberg's campaign platforms, anyway? 'Vote for us, we're not Donald Trump' is about all I saw in debates and such, but how does that make sense... surely anyone happy with the status quo would be okay with simply re-electing Trump, and if people are not happy with the status quo then why would they vote for someone who pretty much straight up says they'll maintain the status quo except with a different face behind the desk? I don't get it. Is it because they like the status quo but can't stand the idea of the red team winning because they're on team blue, or something?
'Vote for us, we're not Donald Trump' is about all I saw in debates and such
You're not the only one to notice it in the debates.Debate:
1: Donald Trump is awful, he does these awful things, we need to remove him
Chorus: Yes I agree. Party Unity!
1: I think this on this domestic topic, my opponent has shown cowardice and hypocrisy in this area over here
2: I did not, you liar. I'm in fact the only one that has a cohesive plan. Your plan is built on dreams and stardust.
3: Why are we focusing on these inter-party struggles publicly! We all must unite to defeat Trump! This works to his advantage!
1: You're a tool of big moneyed interests
2: My record shows I'm not.
1: My plans are bold. That's what's necessary to confront these problems.
2: They're too extreme for America. Dems are gonna lose to Trump because of it.
3: Tearing the party apart on these issues will make Trump win
Bernie at least had a coherent message. But let me play devil's advocate for the "I'm not Trump" moderate tack.
First up, this focus on Trump rather than compare/contrast plans was expected, because the stuff the candidates agree on, broadly, will never happen in a Trump second term. They all wanted the eventual support of every Dem voter no matter their candidate. Trump is a unifying rallying cry. To this extent, Salazarz, I don't think it's red team/blue team. Enough people know that the policy direction between the two parties is greater than the policy gaps within the Democratic party.
Secondly, 4-5-6-7-8-9 person debates do not allow for time to settle differences and explore topics. It's a debate of sound bites. The winner is the one that gets the best zingers, the most applause, and seemlessly counters the worst incoming jabs. Biden and Bloomberg played the dumb games, because they're the only game in town.
Bloomberg tried a flat "I'm a manager type, and NYC is proof of my managerial expertise." Unremarkable, and basically a bad pitch. Biden still passes a "I have a record I believe in. I was also the vice president of everyone's favorite president, Barack Obama. You still like him, right? I may be old, but I'm dependably bland in a good way."
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On March 05 2020 14:05 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2020 12:14 StasisField wrote:On March 05 2020 09:43 Nakajin wrote:On March 05 2020 09:30 StasisField wrote:On March 05 2020 08:52 Nakajin wrote:
Who do we think for an (eventual) Biden vp?
I'd say Haris but I'm not sure he need a Californian, maybe O'Roorke or Booker? I have a feeling it'll be Warren. I would prefer Bernie though, if only to better unite the left. A lot of the progressive base hates Warren right now and thinks she is staying in to screw over Bernie and get a VP position from Biden, and making her VP will only add fuel to the flame. I would also feel a lot better voting for Biden in his current mental state knowing someone like Bernie would take up the reins in case Biden was deemed no longer fit for duty. The DNC won't risk that happening though. You can't have Bernie-Biden, they're both in danger of dying in the near future. For Warren it depend how Biden want to play it, you can either chose your VP for image/ideological reason (like Palin for exemple) or you can chose them for more electorate and strategical reason. (like Tim Cain for example, a senator from a semi-swing state fluent in spanish) Eh, I would say Bernie is in great health and so have multiple doctors. He has plenty of energy despite doing 3-4 rallies a day sometimes. He is coherent when he speaks too. He is in far better shape than Biden and he still routinely exercises too. I think Bernie would be a good strategic choice. He already does well with independents and he would help retain a lot of the progressive vote, many of whom feel disgruntled right now. Again, I doubt it'll happen. The DNC would not dare risk Biden stepping down or passing away and letting Bernie run the show. He hasn't released his health records and recently had a heart attack. The former wouldn't matter if not for the latter. The point about Biden is well taken.
I mean, he's released 3 letters, 2 from cardiologists and 1 from his longtime physician of 29 years, and all 3 state he is healthy. His campaign also released info detailing what he's been treated for, the surgies he's had, and what medication he takes.
https://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/2019/12/31/bernie-sanders-releases-medical-records-showing-good-health/2781926001/
Sounds like he's doing just fine to me.
EDIT: Spelling and grammar
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On March 05 2020 15:56 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2020 14:05 Danglars wrote:On March 05 2020 12:14 StasisField wrote:On March 05 2020 09:43 Nakajin wrote:On March 05 2020 09:30 StasisField wrote:On March 05 2020 08:52 Nakajin wrote:
Who do we think for an (eventual) Biden vp?
I'd say Haris but I'm not sure he need a Californian, maybe O'Roorke or Booker? I have a feeling it'll be Warren. I would prefer Bernie though, if only to better unite the left. A lot of the progressive base hates Warren right now and thinks she is staying in to screw over Bernie and get a VP position from Biden, and making her VP will only add fuel to the flame. I would also feel a lot better voting for Biden in his current mental state knowing someone like Bernie would take up the reins in case Biden was deemed no longer fit for duty. The DNC won't risk that happening though. You can't have Bernie-Biden, they're both in danger of dying in the near future. For Warren it depend how Biden want to play it, you can either chose your VP for image/ideological reason (like Palin for exemple) or you can chose them for more electorate and strategical reason. (like Tim Cain for example, a senator from a semi-swing state fluent in spanish) Eh, I would say Bernie is in great health and so have multiple doctors. He has plenty of energy despite doing 3-4 rallies a day sometimes. He is coherent when he speaks too. He is in far better shape than Biden and he still routinely exercises too. I think Bernie would be a good strategic choice. He already does well with independents and he would help retain a lot of the progressive vote, many of whom feel disgruntled right now. Again, I doubt it'll happen. The DNC would not dare risk Biden stepping down or passing away and letting Bernie run the show. He hasn't released his health records and recently had a heart attack. The former wouldn't matter if not for the latter. The point about Biden is well taken. I mean, he's released 3 letters, 2 from cardiologists and 1 from his longtime physician of 29 years, and all 3 state he is healthy. His campaign also released info detailing what he's been treated for, the surgies he's had, and what medication he takes. https://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/2019/12/31/bernie-sanders-releases-medical-records-showing-good-health/2781926001/Sounds like he's doing just fine to me. EDIT: Spelling and grammar
Daily Beast: Bernie Sanders says he won't release full medical records. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) on Sunday backtracked on his promise to release his full medical records “before the first votes are cast,” asserting that “you can start releasing medical records, it never ends.”
USA Today: Sanders was asked to clarify whether his presidential campaign would be releasing full medical records, which he previously stated he would do.
WaPo: It's time for Bernie to release health records
TheHill: Campaign makes claim the portion released contain the substantive part
NYT: Sanders Suggests He Won’t Release Full Medical Records
It just looks like journalists doing their job from over here. I can't make the allegations that his doctors are omitting stuff because they like the guy or whatever, but you wouldn't have any way of saying that is not the case if someone decided to Harry Reid him.
The whole backpedaling on comprehensive records, while throwing out a portion to brush off critics, is just a minor political maneuver in a long campaign in a packed primary that contained worse acts of political spinning.
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On March 05 2020 16:25 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2020 15:56 StasisField wrote:On March 05 2020 14:05 Danglars wrote:On March 05 2020 12:14 StasisField wrote:On March 05 2020 09:43 Nakajin wrote:On March 05 2020 09:30 StasisField wrote:On March 05 2020 08:52 Nakajin wrote:
Who do we think for an (eventual) Biden vp?
I'd say Haris but I'm not sure he need a Californian, maybe O'Roorke or Booker? I have a feeling it'll be Warren. I would prefer Bernie though, if only to better unite the left. A lot of the progressive base hates Warren right now and thinks she is staying in to screw over Bernie and get a VP position from Biden, and making her VP will only add fuel to the flame. I would also feel a lot better voting for Biden in his current mental state knowing someone like Bernie would take up the reins in case Biden was deemed no longer fit for duty. The DNC won't risk that happening though. You can't have Bernie-Biden, they're both in danger of dying in the near future. For Warren it depend how Biden want to play it, you can either chose your VP for image/ideological reason (like Palin for exemple) or you can chose them for more electorate and strategical reason. (like Tim Cain for example, a senator from a semi-swing state fluent in spanish) Eh, I would say Bernie is in great health and so have multiple doctors. He has plenty of energy despite doing 3-4 rallies a day sometimes. He is coherent when he speaks too. He is in far better shape than Biden and he still routinely exercises too. I think Bernie would be a good strategic choice. He already does well with independents and he would help retain a lot of the progressive vote, many of whom feel disgruntled right now. Again, I doubt it'll happen. The DNC would not dare risk Biden stepping down or passing away and letting Bernie run the show. He hasn't released his health records and recently had a heart attack. The former wouldn't matter if not for the latter. The point about Biden is well taken. I mean, he's released 3 letters, 2 from cardiologists and 1 from his longtime physician of 29 years, and all 3 state he is healthy. His campaign also released info detailing what he's been treated for, the surgies he's had, and what medication he takes. https://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/2019/12/31/bernie-sanders-releases-medical-records-showing-good-health/2781926001/Sounds like he's doing just fine to me. EDIT: Spelling and grammar Daily Beast: Bernie Sanders says he won't release full medical records. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) on Sunday backtracked on his promise to release his full medical records “before the first votes are cast,” asserting that “you can start releasing medical records, it never ends.”
USA Today: Sanders was asked to clarify whether his presidential campaign would be releasing full medical records, which he previously stated he would do.
WaPo: It's time for Bernie to release health records
TheHill: Campaign makes claim the portion released contain the substantive part
NYT: Sanders Suggests He Won’t Release Full Medical Records
It just looks like journalists doing their job from over here. I can't make the allegations that his doctors are omitting stuff because they like the guy or whatever, but you wouldn't have any way of saying that is not the case if someone decided to Harry Reid him. The whole backpedaling on comprehensive records, while throwing out a portion to brush off critics, is just a minor political maneuver in a long campaign in a packed primary that contained worse acts of political spinning.
How does Bernie's medical record releases compare to Biden's? Are there so many articles like the ones you listed about him?
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On March 05 2020 20:35 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2020 16:25 Danglars wrote:On March 05 2020 15:56 StasisField wrote:On March 05 2020 14:05 Danglars wrote:On March 05 2020 12:14 StasisField wrote:On March 05 2020 09:43 Nakajin wrote:On March 05 2020 09:30 StasisField wrote:On March 05 2020 08:52 Nakajin wrote:
Who do we think for an (eventual) Biden vp?
I'd say Haris but I'm not sure he need a Californian, maybe O'Roorke or Booker? I have a feeling it'll be Warren. I would prefer Bernie though, if only to better unite the left. A lot of the progressive base hates Warren right now and thinks she is staying in to screw over Bernie and get a VP position from Biden, and making her VP will only add fuel to the flame. I would also feel a lot better voting for Biden in his current mental state knowing someone like Bernie would take up the reins in case Biden was deemed no longer fit for duty. The DNC won't risk that happening though. You can't have Bernie-Biden, they're both in danger of dying in the near future. For Warren it depend how Biden want to play it, you can either chose your VP for image/ideological reason (like Palin for exemple) or you can chose them for more electorate and strategical reason. (like Tim Cain for example, a senator from a semi-swing state fluent in spanish) Eh, I would say Bernie is in great health and so have multiple doctors. He has plenty of energy despite doing 3-4 rallies a day sometimes. He is coherent when he speaks too. He is in far better shape than Biden and he still routinely exercises too. I think Bernie would be a good strategic choice. He already does well with independents and he would help retain a lot of the progressive vote, many of whom feel disgruntled right now. Again, I doubt it'll happen. The DNC would not dare risk Biden stepping down or passing away and letting Bernie run the show. He hasn't released his health records and recently had a heart attack. The former wouldn't matter if not for the latter. The point about Biden is well taken. I mean, he's released 3 letters, 2 from cardiologists and 1 from his longtime physician of 29 years, and all 3 state he is healthy. His campaign also released info detailing what he's been treated for, the surgies he's had, and what medication he takes. https://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/2019/12/31/bernie-sanders-releases-medical-records-showing-good-health/2781926001/Sounds like he's doing just fine to me. EDIT: Spelling and grammar Daily Beast: Bernie Sanders says he won't release full medical records. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) on Sunday backtracked on his promise to release his full medical records “before the first votes are cast,” asserting that “you can start releasing medical records, it never ends.”
USA Today: Sanders was asked to clarify whether his presidential campaign would be releasing full medical records, which he previously stated he would do.
WaPo: It's time for Bernie to release health records
TheHill: Campaign makes claim the portion released contain the substantive part
NYT: Sanders Suggests He Won’t Release Full Medical Records
It just looks like journalists doing their job from over here. I can't make the allegations that his doctors are omitting stuff because they like the guy or whatever, but you wouldn't have any way of saying that is not the case if someone decided to Harry Reid him. The whole backpedaling on comprehensive records, while throwing out a portion to brush off critics, is just a minor political maneuver in a long campaign in a packed primary that contained worse acts of political spinning. How does Bernie's medical record releases compare to Biden's? Are there so many articles like the ones you listed about him?
Moreover, I fail to see why this is suddenly the hill to die on when Bernie is more energetic and coherent than both Biden and Trump. Should Bernie get himself one of those doctors that will proclaim him to live 200 years? I do suppose that would satisfy those so concerned for Bernie's health.
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The Elizabeth Warren subreddit has become a really weird place. Strangely bitter crowd. Way more than Buttigieg and yang. People need to stop seeing every election with a woman as some kinda final battle of feminism.
Fact is Warren and Clinton were both amazingly bad candidates. Now they lost. AOC will be president some day, wait for that rather than trying to push through shitty candidates just because they are a woman.
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I also don't agree that Warren was an amazingly bad candidate. She had a better platform and better performance than a dozen other candidates at least, and ran a progressive campaign as Bernie's peer. If you want to argue she's overstaying her time next to Bernie, that's a different conversation. But I don't support the "they lost, so now they're shit" mentality. It's juvenile.
On March 05 2020 23:49 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2020 20:35 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2020 16:25 Danglars wrote:On March 05 2020 15:56 StasisField wrote:On March 05 2020 14:05 Danglars wrote:On March 05 2020 12:14 StasisField wrote:On March 05 2020 09:43 Nakajin wrote:On March 05 2020 09:30 StasisField wrote:On March 05 2020 08:52 Nakajin wrote:
Who do we think for an (eventual) Biden vp?
I'd say Haris but I'm not sure he need a Californian, maybe O'Roorke or Booker? I have a feeling it'll be Warren. I would prefer Bernie though, if only to better unite the left. A lot of the progressive base hates Warren right now and thinks she is staying in to screw over Bernie and get a VP position from Biden, and making her VP will only add fuel to the flame. I would also feel a lot better voting for Biden in his current mental state knowing someone like Bernie would take up the reins in case Biden was deemed no longer fit for duty. The DNC won't risk that happening though. You can't have Bernie-Biden, they're both in danger of dying in the near future. For Warren it depend how Biden want to play it, you can either chose your VP for image/ideological reason (like Palin for exemple) or you can chose them for more electorate and strategical reason. (like Tim Cain for example, a senator from a semi-swing state fluent in spanish) Eh, I would say Bernie is in great health and so have multiple doctors. He has plenty of energy despite doing 3-4 rallies a day sometimes. He is coherent when he speaks too. He is in far better shape than Biden and he still routinely exercises too. I think Bernie would be a good strategic choice. He already does well with independents and he would help retain a lot of the progressive vote, many of whom feel disgruntled right now. Again, I doubt it'll happen. The DNC would not dare risk Biden stepping down or passing away and letting Bernie run the show. He hasn't released his health records and recently had a heart attack. The former wouldn't matter if not for the latter. The point about Biden is well taken. I mean, he's released 3 letters, 2 from cardiologists and 1 from his longtime physician of 29 years, and all 3 state he is healthy. His campaign also released info detailing what he's been treated for, the surgies he's had, and what medication he takes. https://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/2019/12/31/bernie-sanders-releases-medical-records-showing-good-health/2781926001/Sounds like he's doing just fine to me. EDIT: Spelling and grammar Daily Beast: Bernie Sanders says he won't release full medical records. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) on Sunday backtracked on his promise to release his full medical records “before the first votes are cast,” asserting that “you can start releasing medical records, it never ends.”
USA Today: Sanders was asked to clarify whether his presidential campaign would be releasing full medical records, which he previously stated he would do.
WaPo: It's time for Bernie to release health records
TheHill: Campaign makes claim the portion released contain the substantive part
NYT: Sanders Suggests He Won’t Release Full Medical Records
It just looks like journalists doing their job from over here. I can't make the allegations that his doctors are omitting stuff because they like the guy or whatever, but you wouldn't have any way of saying that is not the case if someone decided to Harry Reid him. The whole backpedaling on comprehensive records, while throwing out a portion to brush off critics, is just a minor political maneuver in a long campaign in a packed primary that contained worse acts of political spinning. How does Bernie's medical record releases compare to Biden's? Are there so many articles like the ones you listed about him? But "what about" Biden's health? I think that Bernie would be a great Vp for many reasons, I also think his health is fine to be VP since it is fine to be president. But there is no need for the whataboutism.
It's whataboutism in the first place to suggest that Bernie's health is a serious problem, when by all indications his current health is excellent, and when the sudden concern comes from people who had no apparent issue with the doctor's letter Trump shat out.
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On March 05 2020 23:44 Mohdoo wrote:
The Elizabeth Warren subreddit has become a really weird place. Strangely bitter crowd. Way more than Buttigieg and yang. People need to stop seeing every election with a woman as some kinda final battle of feminism.
Fact is Warren and Clinton were both amazingly bad candidates. Now they lost. AOC will be president some day, wait for that rather than trying to push through shitty candidates just because they are a woman.
How was Clinton a bad candidate. Clinton was probably the most qualified candidate for president in a long time. She had years of policy experience including foreign policy and was generally viewed favorably outside of the US. Now her run for the presidency was based on the long list of qualifications and not as much any enthusiasm for her candidacy, that was bad. People get bitter because it seems like women have to be beyond perfect to be taken seriously as presidential, only becomes a farce because Trump got elected who is all appearance and no substance.
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On March 05 2020 23:50 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2020 23:44 Mohdoo wrote:
The Elizabeth Warren subreddit has become a really weird place. Strangely bitter crowd. Way more than Buttigieg and yang. People need to stop seeing every election with a woman as some kinda final battle of feminism.
Fact is Warren and Clinton were both amazingly bad candidates. Now they lost. AOC will be president some day, wait for that rather than trying to push through shitty candidates just because they are a woman. Is it that different than people thinking Bernie losing is some sort of final battle of progressiveness? It is not strange how they react when that is their number 1 issue and they are feeling defeated.
I honestly never considered the idea that someone would make it their #1 issue. In that context I suppose it makes sense. It also makes sense because the people I see on Facebook being the most insane about Warren are usually privileged men. I can't think of a single Warren supporter I know who isn't already doing well. You gotta be real out of touch to see a female president as #1 issue. Also explains why there's no actual incentive to support Bernie.
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On March 05 2020 23:44 Mohdoo wrote:
The Elizabeth Warren subreddit has become a really weird place. Strangely bitter crowd. Way more than Buttigieg and yang. People need to stop seeing every election with a woman as some kinda final battle of feminism.
Fact is Warren and Clinton were both amazingly bad candidates. Now they lost. AOC will be president some day, wait for that rather than trying to push through shitty candidates just because they are a woman.
Is this a great recent phenomenon? How much has it changed from previously(
I was browsing it for the first time looking for something someone mentioned here. I don’t like/use Reddit really, so not much to compare it to.
Lot of terrible takes, fair amount of reasonable enough takes. Seemed a rather mixed and not overly cohesive crowd to my mind.
A fair few of the type of folks that annoy the fuck out of me, the ones who subscribe to that particular form of feminism that manifests in ‘we need more women in x’ as a solution to all societal ills and throw out actually interesting or radical reforms.
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The Warren supporters I know personally are far from well-off. They would be generally pretty happy to support Bernie if he wins as well. Anecdotes are fine, but that's all they are.
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