2020 Democratic Nominees - Page 29

On February 11 2020 11:04 LegalLord wrote:

It's a false dichotomy in the sense that it's saying "your options are to vote for Trump, or for someone who you don't like but is better than Trump." The latter isn't true, because if said candidate is not really different on substance than Trump, you're really just propagating the message that it's ok to be terrible as long as you're marginally more favorable than the opposition. Not buying it.

And I want to draw attention to this very poignant GH post:



He's right. Purely selfishly, Trump's handouts to the well-to-do are a moderate boon for me, since I'm reasonably well-positioned to benefit economically from it. It's true that it's only a short-term benefit, and that in the long term we're all going to suffer from his reckless and self-serving policy. I'd rather him be ousted, because I know this relatively positive situation is just the calm before the storm. But since it is generally positive, I'm not really desperate to see him removed. If the candidate being sold is truly only marginally better, what's really being sold is the same old shtick in a marginally more palatable package. No thanks.

On top of that, I would dispute that Buttman or Bloomberg in particular even qualify as "marginally better." If anything, they're worse.

On February 11 2020 16:23 LegalLord wrote:
Yang, though he has an impressive base of virulent supporters, is ultimately a pretty shallow candidate. Besides “implement basic income” I haven’t seen any real substance to what he is selling. He is about where he belongs in the polls.

On February 12 2020 10:37 LegalLord wrote:

Seemed like the answer was "not yet" regarding endorsements.

Bennet also dropped out just now.

On February 12 2020 10:39 GreenHorizons wrote:


Yet somehow Deval Patrick is still running lol. Big one will be whether Warren continues to drag out her run or hops out before super Nevada so she can endorse the "leading" candidate before Super Tuesday.

On February 12 2020 10:42 Nakajin wrote:


From her speech she's in it for the long run, at least until Nevada.
Gabbart and Tom Steyer could drop out, they have quite a few % point between them.

On February 12 2020 10:48 GreenHorizons wrote:


Lol meant to say after Nevada but before Super Tuesday. This is going to be a tough week for Warren in the media so we'll see.

On February 12 2020 10:58 Nakajin wrote:


Ah then yes maybe. It's gonna be interesting to see if Klobuchar can pull out something in Nevada, having to organize so quickly.

On February 12 2020 11:05 GreenHorizons wrote:


You have to have the unions in Nevada to make that happen and these are Vegas unions, so pretty much 0 chance she gets them. She's somewhat known for treating her workers poorly.

On February 12 2020 11:26 Sermokala wrote:
I think you underestimate what winning for klob is. I don't think getting third again in nevada is that bad for her. That and if shes taking a significant amount of votes from pete it just means more for Bernie on super Tuesday.

On February 12 2020 11:29 GreenHorizons wrote:


Doesn't matter. Finishing a distant 2nd in delegates going into a contested convention is still going to result in complete chaos not nominating Bernie.

On February 12 2020 11:26 Sermokala wrote:
I think you underestimate what winning for klob is. I don't think getting third again in nevada is that bad for her. That and if shes taking a significant amount of votes from pete it just means more for Bernie on super Tuesday.

On February 12 2020 11:42 Nakajin wrote:


Let's not rule out Biden in Nevada/South Carolina just yet, none of the other seems to have manage to garner any real none white support, it's still up the air what's gonna happen with there.

But obviously the bigger the field, the better it is for Bernie right now, if Biden can climb up a bit until ST and Klobuchar/Buttigieg stay relatively even he should have a very good ST especially with mister "Let me non-apologetically buy an election" nudging another points of % to his right.

On February 12 2020 12:04 pmh wrote:
Interesting evening. Cnn had a great show,its a horrible channel but the democratic primarys are always very well presented and a pleasure to watch. Maybe because its all about the democrats instead of bashing trump.

They had interesting pitch about the top 3. Bernie the progressive vs the moderates pete and kob. Combined the moderates have more support then sanders and if one of them drops out those votes will then probably go to the other moderate,making it still quiet difficult for bernie to become the candidate. I guess this mechanic could come into play near the end of the race.

Biden disapointing,i dont see how he can become candidate anymore but the first 2 states where not his traditional stronghold anyway so maybe he can still make a comeback with his "firewall" states,though it does seem unlikely to me.

Maybe warren can also be seen as a progressive to some extend,then 1 and 4 have about same amount as votes as the moderates at 2 and 3. Warren i found the most disapointing outcome and it seems unlikely she can win anymore.

Cnn also had a few exit polls of their own,one was quiet interesting. Asking people what they wanted from their candidate the most.

66% a candidate that can beat trump
33% a candidate that shares my vieuws
(give or take).

Next month most delegates are going to be divided,maybe then there will be a top 3. Buttigieg,sanders and kob?
Bloomberg as well,difficult to gauge because he hasnt competed yet. I do think bloomberg would be the strongest candidate against trump but why he waits so long?