EPT2020 Democratic Nominees - Page 27
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Velr
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On February 08 2020 11:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Also, why do you call him that? Because, dat name. Also, just noticed: Yang. Klob and Steyer are trying their hardest despite being obviously out of the competitive range. But Yang, I just about forgot he's on the stage. Edit: lol, all those campaign website plugs in a row. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23893 Posts
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JimmiC
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45678 Posts
On February 09 2020 00:23 JimmiC wrote: Do we really need to make up lame nick names for candidates we dont like? Cheat the mayor and buttman sound like the lame shit Trump does, which many of us have said is childish and stupid. Not being like Trump should be a goal, not impersonating him. Admittedly, "Mayor Cheat Buttigieg" did make me smirk a little, because it's punny and because of Iowa and the app scandal. The other one's just homophobic imo. | ||
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JimmiC
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GreenHorizons
United States23893 Posts
On February 09 2020 00:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Admittedly, "Mayor Cheat Buttigieg" did make me smirk a little, because it's punny and because of Iowa and the app scandal. The other one's just homophobic imo. Yeah I'm keeping Mayor Cheat because it is about the election specifically over the more petty ones based on the overlap in "rat" like behavior and similarities in facial features/mannerisms to a rat and/or small stature. The stuff about his supposed rat-like appearance/behavior is petty imo. "Buttman" is questionable considering the source and explanation but probably still better than "Bernie Bro" which is not only racist, sexist, etc... but targets supporters rather than candidates. | ||
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JimmiC
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DarkPlasmaBall
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1. In the Democratic primary, Iowa has only given 40 of the 41 delegates out, because the last one should go to Sanders and that would mean that the DNC would need to admit that Sanders tied Buttigieg at 13 each (with Sanders winning the popular vote). The DNC doesn't want to advertise that Sanders won Iowa. 2. On top of that, Buttigieg still should be losing two delegates and Sanders should be gaining two additional delegates, due to errors in delegate allocation across dozens of precincts. Therefore, Buttigieg should really be at 11 delegates, and Sanders should be at 15 delegates, solidly ahead as we go into New Hampshire (Tuesday). Of course, this isn't what the DNC, Buttigieg, or most media outlets announced while there were still countless mistakes to fix, which is why Buttigieg is enjoying a temporary boost in popularity. I hope these things get fixed soon. | ||
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LegalLord
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pmh
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Sanders might win,and while i do support his platform i somehow hope he doesnt make it. If sanders loses to trump then that could be very bad for the future of the progressive movement inside the democratic party which does worry me a bit. Oh there is bloomberg as well still,kinda forgot about him. When will he actually start his campaign and run? | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On February 10 2020 08:40 pmh wrote: Its nice to see buttigieg doing so well,i hope he makes it. Biden doesnt seem to have that big of a chance anymore so maybe its between buttigieg and sanders in the end. Sanders might win,and while i do support his platform i somehow hope he doesnt make it. If sanders loses to trump then that could be very bad for the future of the progressive movement inside the democratic party which does worry me a bit. Oh there is bloomberg as well still,kinda forgot about him. When will he actually start his campaign and run? Honestly, sometimes you just have to risk the possibility that the candidate promising to make the difference will go toe-to-toe with the other side, and face a competitive opponent. If not, you're guaranteed to have a failed movement because there's no way the DNC will yield if they are able to continue to get their favored candidates through. I honestly expect that any given candidate will have a tough time defeating Trump. The fundamentals are generally on his side, as he's both the sitting president and the economy is notionally doing well. He does have a strong downside, but it's tough to capitalize on it in a meaningful way. Biden's main sell is that he can piggyback on Obama-era nostalgia, which is a pretty weak effect given his lack of charisma in selling it. Sanders will make a strong play for the working class states that catapulted Trump into the presidency, but will have a hard time selling himself in red-leaning places like Florida that are going to be fearful of a self-identifying socialist. Buttman has a pretty niche appeal, and the Democrats have hardly poked too hard at his lack of a record - the versus Trump will see Pence talking about how the dude has no experience besides being a mediocre mayor, and has no place in this competition, and it'll be hard to argue against because it's true. Warren, I think she is likely to have an authenticity problem when she tries to appeal to a broader base. Everyone else is out of competitive range. I think Biden and Sanders are the two with the best shot, but that's probably less than 50 percent. Bloomberg is an interesting phenomenon, but I don't see him getting very far. He's a sideshow attraction right now, and by the time we get to the states where he seeks to be relevant, that's probably all he will be. I'll be interested to see if that somehow isn't the case and he makes a powerful push, though. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45678 Posts
On February 10 2020 08:40 pmh wrote: Its nice to see buttigieg doing so well,i hope he makes it. Given the incredibly transparent cheating going on in Iowa (IDP/ DNC/ Buttigieg), which just gave Buttigieg 3 of Sanders's delegates, plus the incoming setup for a repeat collusion in Nevada to boost Buttigieg further, I can't support him in good conscience. I don't think he has the worst ideas ever, but given the controversies of the 2016 primary and the ease with which the moderates are sabotaging the primary for 2020 just to make Sanders lose, I hope Buttigieg fails miserably. This is absolutely ridiculous, it's undemocratic, and I've lost all respect for that guy. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23893 Posts
On February 10 2020 12:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Given the incredibly transparent cheating going on in Iowa (IDP/ DNC/ Buttigieg), which just gave Buttigieg 3 of Sanders's delegates, plus the incoming setup for a repeat collusion in Nevada to boost Buttigieg further, I can't support him in good conscience. I don't think he has the worst ideas ever, but given the controversies of the 2016 primary and the ease with which the moderates are sabotaging the primary for 2020 just to make Sanders lose, I hope Buttigieg fails miserably. This is absolutely ridiculous, it's undemocratic, and I've lost all respect for that guy. Calm down Alex Jones /s It would be one thing if centrists argued their ideas/policy for what they are and let people actually decide. That they'll so easily discard honesty, integrity, and democracy for political expediency should concern everyone in the era of Trump. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On February 10 2020 12:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Given the incredibly transparent cheating going on in Iowa (IDP/ DNC/ Buttigieg), which just gave Buttigieg 3 of Sanders's delegates, plus the incoming setup for a repeat collusion in Nevada to boost Buttigieg further, I can't support him in good conscience. I don't think he has the worst ideas ever, but given the controversies of the 2016 primary and the ease with which the moderates are sabotaging the primary for 2020 just to make Sanders lose, I hope Buttigieg fails miserably. This is absolutely ridiculous, it's undemocratic, and I've lost all respect for that guy. The other day you told me that you'd give your vote to any Democrat for the sake of beating Trump. If Buttgieg wins the nomination, will you give him your vote? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45678 Posts
On February 10 2020 20:49 BerserkSword wrote: The other day you told me that you'd give your vote to any Democrat for the sake of beating Trump. If Buttgieg wins the nomination, will you give him your vote? Yes I will. 100%. In the primary, I'm all for scrutinizing over different candidates, but after one is chosen to go up against Trump, I'm falling in line and unifying behind whatever alternative we "choose". We can't afford another 4 years of not addressing climate change, not addressing healthcare, not addressing education, etc. Also, RBG is going to almost certainly retire or die over the next four years, and if she gets replaced by a conservative SCJ... Ugh. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23893 Posts
On February 10 2020 21:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Yes I will. 100%. In the primary, I'm all for scrutinizing over different candidates, but after one is chosen to go up against Trump, I'm falling in line and unifying behind whatever alternative we "choose". We can't afford another 4 years of not addressing climate change, not addressing healthcare, not addressing education, etc. Also, RBG is going to almost certainly retire or die over the next four years, and if she gets replaced by a conservative SCJ... Ugh. What would they gain from you as a voter from not cheating you out of your choice then? | ||
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LegalLord
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semantics
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On February 10 2020 08:40 pmh wrote: Its nice to see buttigieg doing so well,i hope he makes it. Biden doesnt seem to have that big of a chance anymore so maybe its between buttigieg and sanders in the end. Sanders might win,and while i do support his platform i somehow hope he doesnt make it. If sanders loses to trump then that could be very bad for the future of the progressive movement inside the democratic party which does worry me a bit. Oh there is bloomberg as well still,kinda forgot about him. When will he actually start his campaign and run? Biden is a better "moderate" in terms of electability simply because he's not gay. This wouldn't be a point if buttigieg was a progressive but if you're looking at national electability in a general election not just with-in the Democratic party being gay is just about a problem as being a woman in quite a few places still. There was a video not that long ago showing how someone can flip support simply by learning that. After all Capt birther got elected to office. The real Crux is how can Biden use that without just aliening the Democratic party because atleast the public sentiment says it's wrong to be a bigot and that's very true with in the Democratic party itself. It's a dynamic that will play out in places using caucus as opposed to just primaries. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45678 Posts
On February 10 2020 22:41 LegalLord wrote: I think I’d actually vote for Trump in that scenario. After 2016, I’m not really willing to humor a “lesser of two evils” false dichotomy anymore. Why is it a false dichotomy? I suppose you could vote for a third-party candidate or not vote at all, but in the sense of deciding on who actually has a chance of becoming president, there are exactly two options: Donald Trump or the Democratic candidate. One of them will necessarily become president next year. | ||
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