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On October 08 2018 04:13 Artisreal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2018 03:00 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 02:16 Nebuchad wrote:On October 08 2018 01:34 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 01:22 Nebuchad wrote:On October 08 2018 01:02 xDaunt wrote:
It’s worth noting that Trump is now branding the Democrats as the party of the “mob.” This label is really going to sting. For years, Trump has been aggressively playing up his policies as the policies of “law and order” (immigration, crime, etc), so the contrast between Democrats and Republicans on this point is going to be stark. The Kavanaugh circus only serves as a massive exclamation point. I mean, that's the way it should be. Rightwing should stand for order and leftwing should stand for the people, especially when they are angry. Things just get blurred because you guys tried to reclaim "freedom" as a rightwing principle and then went on a rampage against the FBI for a while. It's funny how much of the republican rhetoric describes the left as it should be and then counts on the Dems to go "No, no we're not like that!!" There is a big difference between being the party of freedom and the people and being the party of the mob. Not that big of a difference actually. The negative connotation that comes with the mob is mostly an elitist viewpoint transposed into common language. On the populist side, we just see a bunch of people who are angry, and hopefully we get to channel that. Not in this country. The US has a rich tradition of valuing law and order over the antics and disorder of the mob. Even during the height of the Vietnam War, the lawlessness of many of the anti-war protestors was a huge drag on the popularity of the anti-war movement. I'm pretty sure law and order did nothing to prevent any lynching, beating, hanging of blacks last century and that before.
What do you think stomped all that out? Why do you think the public demanded a halt to that behavior and shunned the KKK?
Take some time to think before posting nonsense like this.
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On October 08 2018 04:43 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2018 04:13 Artisreal wrote:On October 08 2018 03:00 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 02:16 Nebuchad wrote:On October 08 2018 01:34 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 01:22 Nebuchad wrote:On October 08 2018 01:02 xDaunt wrote:
It’s worth noting that Trump is now branding the Democrats as the party of the “mob.” This label is really going to sting. For years, Trump has been aggressively playing up his policies as the policies of “law and order” (immigration, crime, etc), so the contrast between Democrats and Republicans on this point is going to be stark. The Kavanaugh circus only serves as a massive exclamation point. I mean, that's the way it should be. Rightwing should stand for order and leftwing should stand for the people, especially when they are angry. Things just get blurred because you guys tried to reclaim "freedom" as a rightwing principle and then went on a rampage against the FBI for a while. It's funny how much of the republican rhetoric describes the left as it should be and then counts on the Dems to go "No, no we're not like that!!" There is a big difference between being the party of freedom and the people and being the party of the mob. Not that big of a difference actually. The negative connotation that comes with the mob is mostly an elitist viewpoint transposed into common language. On the populist side, we just see a bunch of people who are angry, and hopefully we get to channel that. Not in this country. The US has a rich tradition of valuing law and order over the antics and disorder of the mob. Even during the height of the Vietnam War, the lawlessness of many of the anti-war protestors was a huge drag on the popularity of the anti-war movement. I'm pretty sure law and order did nothing to prevent any lynching, beating, hanging of blacks last century and that before. What do you think stomped all that out? Why do you think the public demanded a halt to that behavior and shunned the KKK? Take some time to think before posting nonsense like this.
Mostly because they (the KKK and the like) are horrific people. But for decades they were the "Law and order" you're talking about. Hell they still are in some states.
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On October 08 2018 05:47 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2018 04:43 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 04:13 Artisreal wrote:On October 08 2018 03:00 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 02:16 Nebuchad wrote:On October 08 2018 01:34 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 01:22 Nebuchad wrote:On October 08 2018 01:02 xDaunt wrote:
It’s worth noting that Trump is now branding the Democrats as the party of the “mob.” This label is really going to sting. For years, Trump has been aggressively playing up his policies as the policies of “law and order” (immigration, crime, etc), so the contrast between Democrats and Republicans on this point is going to be stark. The Kavanaugh circus only serves as a massive exclamation point. I mean, that's the way it should be. Rightwing should stand for order and leftwing should stand for the people, especially when they are angry. Things just get blurred because you guys tried to reclaim "freedom" as a rightwing principle and then went on a rampage against the FBI for a while. It's funny how much of the republican rhetoric describes the left as it should be and then counts on the Dems to go "No, no we're not like that!!" There is a big difference between being the party of freedom and the people and being the party of the mob. Not that big of a difference actually. The negative connotation that comes with the mob is mostly an elitist viewpoint transposed into common language. On the populist side, we just see a bunch of people who are angry, and hopefully we get to channel that. Not in this country. The US has a rich tradition of valuing law and order over the antics and disorder of the mob. Even during the height of the Vietnam War, the lawlessness of many of the anti-war protestors was a huge drag on the popularity of the anti-war movement. I'm pretty sure law and order did nothing to prevent any lynching, beating, hanging of blacks last century and that before. What do you think stomped all that out? Why do you think the public demanded a halt to that behavior and shunned the KKK? Take some time to think before posting nonsense like this. Mostly because they are horrific people. But for decades they were the "Law and order" you're talking about. Hell they still are in some states.
Yeah, a majority of Americans engaged in lynching. Good luck with that one.
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On October 08 2018 05:48 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2018 05:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 04:43 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 04:13 Artisreal wrote:On October 08 2018 03:00 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 02:16 Nebuchad wrote:On October 08 2018 01:34 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 01:22 Nebuchad wrote:On October 08 2018 01:02 xDaunt wrote:
It’s worth noting that Trump is now branding the Democrats as the party of the “mob.” This label is really going to sting. For years, Trump has been aggressively playing up his policies as the policies of “law and order” (immigration, crime, etc), so the contrast between Democrats and Republicans on this point is going to be stark. The Kavanaugh circus only serves as a massive exclamation point. I mean, that's the way it should be. Rightwing should stand for order and leftwing should stand for the people, especially when they are angry. Things just get blurred because you guys tried to reclaim "freedom" as a rightwing principle and then went on a rampage against the FBI for a while. It's funny how much of the republican rhetoric describes the left as it should be and then counts on the Dems to go "No, no we're not like that!!" There is a big difference between being the party of freedom and the people and being the party of the mob. Not that big of a difference actually. The negative connotation that comes with the mob is mostly an elitist viewpoint transposed into common language. On the populist side, we just see a bunch of people who are angry, and hopefully we get to channel that. Not in this country. The US has a rich tradition of valuing law and order over the antics and disorder of the mob. Even during the height of the Vietnam War, the lawlessness of many of the anti-war protestors was a huge drag on the popularity of the anti-war movement. I'm pretty sure law and order did nothing to prevent any lynching, beating, hanging of blacks last century and that before. What do you think stomped all that out? Why do you think the public demanded a halt to that behavior and shunned the KKK? Take some time to think before posting nonsense like this. Mostly because they are horrific people. But for decades they were the "Law and order" you're talking about. Hell they still are in some states. Yeah, a majority of Americans engaged in lynching. Good luck with that one.
I didn't say that did I?
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On October 08 2018 05:49 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2018 05:48 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 05:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 04:43 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 04:13 Artisreal wrote:On October 08 2018 03:00 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 02:16 Nebuchad wrote:On October 08 2018 01:34 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 01:22 Nebuchad wrote:On October 08 2018 01:02 xDaunt wrote:
It’s worth noting that Trump is now branding the Democrats as the party of the “mob.” This label is really going to sting. For years, Trump has been aggressively playing up his policies as the policies of “law and order” (immigration, crime, etc), so the contrast between Democrats and Republicans on this point is going to be stark. The Kavanaugh circus only serves as a massive exclamation point. I mean, that's the way it should be. Rightwing should stand for order and leftwing should stand for the people, especially when they are angry. Things just get blurred because you guys tried to reclaim "freedom" as a rightwing principle and then went on a rampage against the FBI for a while. It's funny how much of the republican rhetoric describes the left as it should be and then counts on the Dems to go "No, no we're not like that!!" There is a big difference between being the party of freedom and the people and being the party of the mob. Not that big of a difference actually. The negative connotation that comes with the mob is mostly an elitist viewpoint transposed into common language. On the populist side, we just see a bunch of people who are angry, and hopefully we get to channel that. Not in this country. The US has a rich tradition of valuing law and order over the antics and disorder of the mob. Even during the height of the Vietnam War, the lawlessness of many of the anti-war protestors was a huge drag on the popularity of the anti-war movement. I'm pretty sure law and order did nothing to prevent any lynching, beating, hanging of blacks last century and that before. What do you think stomped all that out? Why do you think the public demanded a halt to that behavior and shunned the KKK? Take some time to think before posting nonsense like this. Mostly because they are horrific people. But for decades they were the "Law and order" you're talking about. Hell they still are in some states. Yeah, a majority of Americans engaged in lynching. Good luck with that one. I didn't say that did I?
That’s what you are necessarily implying if your post is to have any relevance to the conversation. So you tell me. Is your post inaccurate or is it irrelevant?
Edit: Note that my point is that a majority of Americans value law and order.
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On October 08 2018 05:53 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2018 05:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 05:48 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 05:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 04:43 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 04:13 Artisreal wrote:On October 08 2018 03:00 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 02:16 Nebuchad wrote:On October 08 2018 01:34 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 01:22 Nebuchad wrote:
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I mean, that's the way it should be. Rightwing should stand for order and leftwing should stand for the people, especially when they are angry. Things just get blurred because you guys tried to reclaim "freedom" as a rightwing principle and then went on a rampage against the FBI for a while.
It's funny how much of the republican rhetoric describes the left as it should be and then counts on the Dems to go "No, no we're not like that!!" There is a big difference between being the party of freedom and the people and being the party of the mob. Not that big of a difference actually. The negative connotation that comes with the mob is mostly an elitist viewpoint transposed into common language. On the populist side, we just see a bunch of people who are angry, and hopefully we get to channel that. Not in this country. The US has a rich tradition of valuing law and order over the antics and disorder of the mob. Even during the height of the Vietnam War, the lawlessness of many of the anti-war protestors was a huge drag on the popularity of the anti-war movement. I'm pretty sure law and order did nothing to prevent any lynching, beating, hanging of blacks last century and that before. What do you think stomped all that out? Why do you think the public demanded a halt to that behavior and shunned the KKK? Take some time to think before posting nonsense like this. Mostly because they are horrific people. But for decades they were the "Law and order" you're talking about. Hell they still are in some states. Yeah, a majority of Americans engaged in lynching. Good luck with that one. I didn't say that did I? That’s what you are necessarily implying if your post is to have any relevance to the conversation. So you tell me. Is your post inaccurate or is it irrelevant?
Your interpretation is faulty.
You asked why people stomped that out. I said because they are horrific people that any reasonable person wouldn't want to be around. Then pointed out that it wasn't exactly stomped out as the modern equivalent is still around and part of the "law and order".
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement
Note that my point is that a majority of Americans value law and order.
My point is that "law and order" is what they call the rules that protect the stuff they care about. Which is why you think you can have well established tradition of valuing "law and order" while also raping, killing, and owning people.
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On October 08 2018 05:53 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2018 05:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 05:48 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 05:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 04:43 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 04:13 Artisreal wrote:On October 08 2018 03:00 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 02:16 Nebuchad wrote:On October 08 2018 01:34 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 01:22 Nebuchad wrote:
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I mean, that's the way it should be. Rightwing should stand for order and leftwing should stand for the people, especially when they are angry. Things just get blurred because you guys tried to reclaim "freedom" as a rightwing principle and then went on a rampage against the FBI for a while.
It's funny how much of the republican rhetoric describes the left as it should be and then counts on the Dems to go "No, no we're not like that!!" There is a big difference between being the party of freedom and the people and being the party of the mob. Not that big of a difference actually. The negative connotation that comes with the mob is mostly an elitist viewpoint transposed into common language. On the populist side, we just see a bunch of people who are angry, and hopefully we get to channel that. Not in this country. The US has a rich tradition of valuing law and order over the antics and disorder of the mob. Even during the height of the Vietnam War, the lawlessness of many of the anti-war protestors was a huge drag on the popularity of the anti-war movement. I'm pretty sure law and order did nothing to prevent any lynching, beating, hanging of blacks last century and that before. What do you think stomped all that out? Why do you think the public demanded a halt to that behavior and shunned the KKK? Take some time to think before posting nonsense like this. Mostly because they are horrific people. But for decades they were the "Law and order" you're talking about. Hell they still are in some states. Yeah, a majority of Americans engaged in lynching. Good luck with that one. I didn't say that did I? Edit: Note that my point is that a majority of Americans value law and order.
Well great. In that case your party will fare well being the party of order against the party of the people then.
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On October 08 2018 05:57 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2018 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 05:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 05:48 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 05:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 04:43 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 04:13 Artisreal wrote:On October 08 2018 03:00 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 02:16 Nebuchad wrote:On October 08 2018 01:34 xDaunt wrote:
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There is a big difference between being the party of freedom and the people and being the party of the mob. Not that big of a difference actually. The negative connotation that comes with the mob is mostly an elitist viewpoint transposed into common language. On the populist side, we just see a bunch of people who are angry, and hopefully we get to channel that. Not in this country. The US has a rich tradition of valuing law and order over the antics and disorder of the mob. Even during the height of the Vietnam War, the lawlessness of many of the anti-war protestors was a huge drag on the popularity of the anti-war movement. I'm pretty sure law and order did nothing to prevent any lynching, beating, hanging of blacks last century and that before. What do you think stomped all that out? Why do you think the public demanded a halt to that behavior and shunned the KKK? Take some time to think before posting nonsense like this. Mostly because they are horrific people. But for decades they were the "Law and order" you're talking about. Hell they still are in some states. Yeah, a majority of Americans engaged in lynching. Good luck with that one. I didn't say that did I? That’s what you are necessarily implying if your post is to have any relevance to the conversation. So you tell me. Is your post inaccurate or is it irrelevant? Your interpretation is faulty. You asked why people stomped that out. I said because they are horrific people that any reasonable person wouldn't want to be around. Then pointed out that it wasn't exactly stomped out as the modern equivalent is still around and part of the "law and order". https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement
No, your mistake is that you are trying to impune the law and order crowd as being racists. That simply is not going to fly.
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On October 08 2018 05:59 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2018 05:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 05:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 05:48 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 05:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 04:43 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 04:13 Artisreal wrote:On October 08 2018 03:00 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 02:16 Nebuchad wrote:
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Not that big of a difference actually. The negative connotation that comes with the mob is mostly an elitist viewpoint transposed into common language. On the populist side, we just see a bunch of people who are angry, and hopefully we get to channel that. Not in this country. The US has a rich tradition of valuing law and order over the antics and disorder of the mob. Even during the height of the Vietnam War, the lawlessness of many of the anti-war protestors was a huge drag on the popularity of the anti-war movement. I'm pretty sure law and order did nothing to prevent any lynching, beating, hanging of blacks last century and that before. What do you think stomped all that out? Why do you think the public demanded a halt to that behavior and shunned the KKK? Take some time to think before posting nonsense like this. Mostly because they are horrific people. But for decades they were the "Law and order" you're talking about. Hell they still are in some states. Yeah, a majority of Americans engaged in lynching. Good luck with that one. I didn't say that did I? That’s what you are necessarily implying if your post is to have any relevance to the conversation. So you tell me. Is your post inaccurate or is it irrelevant? Your interpretation is faulty. You asked why people stomped that out. I said because they are horrific people that any reasonable person wouldn't want to be around. Then pointed out that it wasn't exactly stomped out as the modern equivalent is still around and part of the "law and order". https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement No, your mistake is that you are trying to impune the law and order crowd as being racists. That simply is not going to fly.
They literally were for most of the history of this country and to a degree still are whether we like it or not. It's a matter of fact.
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Law and order means respect for property rights.
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On October 08 2018 06:02 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2018 05:59 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 05:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 05:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 05:48 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 05:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 04:43 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 04:13 Artisreal wrote:On October 08 2018 03:00 xDaunt wrote:
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Not in this country. The US has a rich tradition of valuing law and order over the antics and disorder of the mob. Even during the height of the Vietnam War, the lawlessness of many of the anti-war protestors was a huge drag on the popularity of the anti-war movement. I'm pretty sure law and order did nothing to prevent any lynching, beating, hanging of blacks last century and that before. What do you think stomped all that out? Why do you think the public demanded a halt to that behavior and shunned the KKK? Take some time to think before posting nonsense like this. Mostly because they are horrific people. But for decades they were the "Law and order" you're talking about. Hell they still are in some states. Yeah, a majority of Americans engaged in lynching. Good luck with that one. I didn't say that did I? That’s what you are necessarily implying if your post is to have any relevance to the conversation. So you tell me. Is your post inaccurate or is it irrelevant? Your interpretation is faulty. You asked why people stomped that out. I said because they are horrific people that any reasonable person wouldn't want to be around. Then pointed out that it wasn't exactly stomped out as the modern equivalent is still around and part of the "law and order". https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement No, your mistake is that you are trying to impune the law and order crowd as being racists. That simply is not going to fly. They literally were for most of the history of this country and to a degree still are whether we like it or not. It's a matter of fact.
Even if true, that’s still a far cry from being able to pin lynching upon the law and order crowd.
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On October 08 2018 06:02 IgnE wrote:
Law and order means respect for property rights.
If anything, this is the real criticism to make of law and order.
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On October 08 2018 06:09 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2018 06:02 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 05:59 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 05:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 05:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 05:48 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 05:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 04:43 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 04:13 Artisreal wrote:
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I'm pretty sure law and order did nothing to prevent any lynching, beating, hanging of blacks last century and that before. What do you think stomped all that out? Why do you think the public demanded a halt to that behavior and shunned the KKK? Take some time to think before posting nonsense like this. Mostly because they are horrific people. But for decades they were the "Law and order" you're talking about. Hell they still are in some states. Yeah, a majority of Americans engaged in lynching. Good luck with that one. I didn't say that did I? That’s what you are necessarily implying if your post is to have any relevance to the conversation. So you tell me. Is your post inaccurate or is it irrelevant? Your interpretation is faulty. You asked why people stomped that out. I said because they are horrific people that any reasonable person wouldn't want to be around. Then pointed out that it wasn't exactly stomped out as the modern equivalent is still around and part of the "law and order". https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement No, your mistake is that you are trying to impune the law and order crowd as being racists. That simply is not going to fly. They literally were for most of the history of this country and to a degree still are whether we like it or not. It's a matter of fact. Even if true, that’s still a far cry from being able to pin lynching upon the law and order crowd.
The "Law and order" crowd is the reason the people weren't arrested and imprisoned on the spot. We know now that often the local "law and order" were part of these groups.
You can't have fugitive slave laws or segregation laws then say that people enforcing them weren't part of the "law and order" crowd.
On October 08 2018 06:10 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2018 06:02 IgnE wrote:
Law and order means respect for property rights. If anything, this is the real criticism to make of law and order.
That too, and they aren't unconnected. Fugitive slave laws were about securing property rights too.
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On October 08 2018 06:18 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2018 06:09 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 06:02 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 05:59 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 05:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 05:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 05:48 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 05:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 04:43 xDaunt wrote:
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What do you think stomped all that out? Why do you think the public demanded a halt to that behavior and shunned the KKK?
Take some time to think before posting nonsense like this. Mostly because they are horrific people. But for decades they were the "Law and order" you're talking about. Hell they still are in some states. Yeah, a majority of Americans engaged in lynching. Good luck with that one. I didn't say that did I? That’s what you are necessarily implying if your post is to have any relevance to the conversation. So you tell me. Is your post inaccurate or is it irrelevant? Your interpretation is faulty. You asked why people stomped that out. I said because they are horrific people that any reasonable person wouldn't want to be around. Then pointed out that it wasn't exactly stomped out as the modern equivalent is still around and part of the "law and order". https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement No, your mistake is that you are trying to impune the law and order crowd as being racists. That simply is not going to fly. They literally were for most of the history of this country and to a degree still are whether we like it or not. It's a matter of fact. Even if true, that’s still a far cry from being able to pin lynching upon the law and order crowd. The "Law and order" crowd is the reason the people weren't arrested and imprisoned on the spot. We know now that often the local "law and order" were part of these groups. You can't have fugitive slave laws or segregation laws then say that people enforcing them weren't part of the "law and order" crowd.
Bullshit. Lynching was a form of lawlessness. It is a complete non sequitur to blame it on law and order.
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On October 08 2018 06:19 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2018 06:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 06:09 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 06:02 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 05:59 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 05:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 05:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 05:48 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 05:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
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Mostly because they are horrific people. But for decades they were the "Law and order" you're talking about. Hell they still are in some states.
Yeah, a majority of Americans engaged in lynching. Good luck with that one. I didn't say that did I? That’s what you are necessarily implying if your post is to have any relevance to the conversation. So you tell me. Is your post inaccurate or is it irrelevant? Your interpretation is faulty. You asked why people stomped that out. I said because they are horrific people that any reasonable person wouldn't want to be around. Then pointed out that it wasn't exactly stomped out as the modern equivalent is still around and part of the "law and order". https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement No, your mistake is that you are trying to impune the law and order crowd as being racists. That simply is not going to fly. They literally were for most of the history of this country and to a degree still are whether we like it or not. It's a matter of fact. Even if true, that’s still a far cry from being able to pin lynching upon the law and order crowd. The "Law and order" crowd is the reason the people weren't arrested and imprisoned on the spot. We know now that often the local "law and order" were part of these groups. You can't have fugitive slave laws or segregation laws then say that people enforcing them weren't part of the "law and order" crowd. Bullshit. Lynching was a form of lawlessness. It is a complete non sequitur to blame it on law and order.
You seem to be confused about my points?
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On October 08 2018 06:23 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2018 06:19 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 06:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 06:09 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 06:02 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 05:59 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 05:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 05:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 05:48 xDaunt wrote:
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Yeah, a majority of Americans engaged in lynching. Good luck with that one. I didn't say that did I? That’s what you are necessarily implying if your post is to have any relevance to the conversation. So you tell me. Is your post inaccurate or is it irrelevant? Your interpretation is faulty. You asked why people stomped that out. I said because they are horrific people that any reasonable person wouldn't want to be around. Then pointed out that it wasn't exactly stomped out as the modern equivalent is still around and part of the "law and order". https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement No, your mistake is that you are trying to impune the law and order crowd as being racists. That simply is not going to fly. They literally were for most of the history of this country and to a degree still are whether we like it or not. It's a matter of fact. Even if true, that’s still a far cry from being able to pin lynching upon the law and order crowd. The "Law and order" crowd is the reason the people weren't arrested and imprisoned on the spot. We know now that often the local "law and order" were part of these groups. You can't have fugitive slave laws or segregation laws then say that people enforcing them weren't part of the "law and order" crowd. Bullshit. Lynching was a form of lawlessness. It is a complete non sequitur to blame it on law and order. You seem to be confused about my points?
I’m presuming that you are actually responding to my posts instead of throwing irrelevant stuff out there. Take a look at your responses in the context of my posts.
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On October 08 2018 06:26 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2018 06:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 06:19 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 06:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 06:09 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 06:02 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 05:59 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 05:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 05:53 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 05:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
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I didn't say that did I? That’s what you are necessarily implying if your post is to have any relevance to the conversation. So you tell me. Is your post inaccurate or is it irrelevant? Your interpretation is faulty. You asked why people stomped that out. I said because they are horrific people that any reasonable person wouldn't want to be around. Then pointed out that it wasn't exactly stomped out as the modern equivalent is still around and part of the "law and order". https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement No, your mistake is that you are trying to impune the law and order crowd as being racists. That simply is not going to fly. They literally were for most of the history of this country and to a degree still are whether we like it or not. It's a matter of fact. Even if true, that’s still a far cry from being able to pin lynching upon the law and order crowd. The "Law and order" crowd is the reason the people weren't arrested and imprisoned on the spot. We know now that often the local "law and order" were part of these groups. You can't have fugitive slave laws or segregation laws then say that people enforcing them weren't part of the "law and order" crowd. Bullshit. Lynching was a form of lawlessness. It is a complete non sequitur to blame it on law and order. You seem to be confused about my points? I’m presuming that you are actually responding to my posts instead of throwing irrelevant stuff out there. Take a look at your responses in the context of my posts.
I'll ask that you do the same:
Why do you think the public demanded a halt to that behavior and shunned the KKK
So I told you why I think they were pushed underground and onto police forces.
Lynching was wrong, but murdering Emmett Till was "law and order", slavery was "law and order", segregation, and so on. Law and order isn't as amazing as you seem to imagine it is. Neither is blind fidelity to it.
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Law and order and then the lynching comparison. Trump’s going to get re-elected, isn’t he?
And we’ll get to 2024 and Trump will look moderate.
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On October 08 2018 06:51 Danglars wrote:
Law and order and then the lynching comparison. Trump’s going to get re-elected, isn’t he?
And we’ll get to 2024 and Trump will look moderate.
Life is going to be hard for you as a leftist then
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On October 08 2018 06:31 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2018 06:26 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 06:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 06:19 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 06:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 06:09 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 06:02 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 05:59 xDaunt wrote:On October 08 2018 05:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 08 2018 05:53 xDaunt wrote:
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That’s what you are necessarily implying if your post is to have any relevance to the conversation. So you tell me. Is your post inaccurate or is it irrelevant? Your interpretation is faulty. You asked why people stomped that out. I said because they are horrific people that any reasonable person wouldn't want to be around. Then pointed out that it wasn't exactly stomped out as the modern equivalent is still around and part of the "law and order". https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement No, your mistake is that you are trying to impune the law and order crowd as being racists. That simply is not going to fly. They literally were for most of the history of this country and to a degree still are whether we like it or not. It's a matter of fact. Even if true, that’s still a far cry from being able to pin lynching upon the law and order crowd. The "Law and order" crowd is the reason the people weren't arrested and imprisoned on the spot. We know now that often the local "law and order" were part of these groups. You can't have fugitive slave laws or segregation laws then say that people enforcing them weren't part of the "law and order" crowd. Bullshit. Lynching was a form of lawlessness. It is a complete non sequitur to blame it on law and order. You seem to be confused about my points? I’m presuming that you are actually responding to my posts instead of throwing irrelevant stuff out there. Take a look at your responses in the context of my posts. I'll ask that you do the same: Show nested quote +Why do you think the public demanded a halt to that behavior and shunned the KKK So I told you why I think they were pushed underground and onto police forces. Lynching was wrong, but murdering Emmett Till was "law and order", slavery was "law and order", segregation, and so on. Law and order isn't as amazing as you seem to imagine it is. Neither is blind fidelity to it.
Exactly. Looking back and putting it into context, much, if not all, of the Civil Rights Movement would've been described as "antics and disorder of the mob". Anything that challenges the status quo could be filed away as such. We like to teach a whitewashed version of MLK's push for equality, and pretend he didn't make a big scene, or light a big fire about the whole thing.
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