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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23208 Posts
On January 05 2019 12:45 Danglars wrote: They’re shaped like bells. I’ve grown them in the past. Ugh bad food opinions everywhere. Back to politics though. Yes, lets do that. I'm sure you guys can find a food thread if you want to continue. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23208 Posts
On January 05 2019 12:50 IgnE wrote: Let the conversation go where it may. Be like water. How high are you right now? | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 05 2019 12:46 GreenHorizons wrote: Yes, lets do that. I'm sure you guys can find a food thread if you want to continue. Of course if you look at the main thread, agreeing on how you’re just the worst qualifies as political discussion. And that’s the putatively well-moderated one. 2019 and people are still mad at criticism of the Democratic Party and mainstream candidates from the left. Some things never change. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12163 Posts
On January 05 2019 12:54 Danglars wrote: Of course if you look at the main thread, agreeing on how you’re just the worst qualifies as political discussion. And that’s the putatively well-moderated one. 2019 and people are still mad at criticism of the Democratic Party and mainstream candidates from the left. Some things never change. It looks to me like the democratic party is in a weird state right now. Its core and establishment is still liberal under a center-right world definition, pro capitalist, pro free markets, a lot of the time even full neoliberal including austerity and fiscal responsibility. But it also contains a large leftwing population that is critical of the whole plate (daily reminder that neoliberalism is a garbage idea for garbage people \o/ ) and is okay with regulations, social democracy and/or socialism. These are contradictory tendencies and they can't really coexist for a long time in a single party; in the past the liberal side was the clear winner, now... it probably still is to be honest, but there's a real fight to push it into the territory of social democracy which won't be enough for GH, but is still pretty decent considering that we're talking about the US. A lot of the reactions that you see are reactions for or against that evolution. They're necessarily going to be stronger than reactions to the right because it's a change for the democratic party to move left, they used to move right in the recent past; there's an adaptation process. Meanwhile the Republicans have been moving in the same direction for a while now, so the adaptation has already happened. No fun allowed in GH's thread, time for Igne's Politics Mega-Blog :/ | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23208 Posts
On January 05 2019 12:54 Danglars wrote: Of course if you look at the main thread, agreeing on how you’re just the worst qualifies as political discussion. And that’s the putatively well-moderated one. 2019 and people are still mad at criticism of the Democratic Party and mainstream candidates from the left. Some things never change. tbh I don't get the affinity for either party. I get people feeling like there isn't an alternative but it's hard for me to wrap my mind around thinking the entire political class isn't playing us all for fools at this point. I don't really understand faith in Trump any more than faith in the Democratic party. On January 05 2019 13:13 Nebuchad wrote: It looks to me like the democratic party is in a weird state right now. Its core and establishment is still liberal under a center-right world definition, pro capitalist, pro free markets, a lot of the time even full neoliberal including austerity and fiscal responsibility. But it also contains a large leftwing population that is critical of the whole plate (daily reminder that neoliberalism is a garbage idea for garbage people \o/ ) and is okay with regulations, social democracy and/or socialism. These are contradictory tendencies and they can't really coexist for a long time in a single party; in the past the liberal side was the clear winner, now... it probably still is to be honest, but there's a real fight to push it into the territory of social democracy which won't be enough for GH, but is still pretty decent considering that we're talking about the US. A lot of the reactions that you see are reactions for or against that evolution. They're necessarily going to be stronger than reactions to the right because it's a change for the democratic party to move left, they used to move right in the recent past; there's an adaptation process. Meanwhile the Republicans have been moving in the same direction for a while now, so the adaptation has already happened. No fun allowed in GH's thread, time for Igne's Politics Mega-Blog :/ Yeah, social democracy would be a huge improvement but I'm not convinced and I don't think anyone is making a serious case that either would be enough to reorder things to a significant enough degree to prevent the stuff we're facing. At least not in a way that doesn't see hundreds of millions of preventable deaths and all sorts of other issues. I'm basically the blog equivalent of the people who won't let Trump administration officials eat in public. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13909 Posts
Gillbrand has all the same electoral baggage that hillary had but is an unknown. Who didn't tell her not to run? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23208 Posts
On January 05 2019 14:03 Sermokala wrote: I get a lot of the same vibes from the caliber of candidates coming out to challenge trump in the next election as I did when people started to line up for obama's second election. Gillbrand has all the same electoral baggage that hillary had but is an unknown. Who didn't tell her not to run? What's becoming pretty obvious is that they are looking for the right packaging and rhetoric to sell the same old policy. There's an ongoing uproar among liberals for progressives and journalists having the audacity to look into O'rourke's record. It's unclear whether they know that's what the primary is nominally for. annnd Pelosi just pulled an "All Lives Matter". That's the leader of the Democrats for you. But sure why shouldn't I be excited she's in charge now. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On January 05 2019 12:13 GreenHorizons wrote: lol @ xDaunt "ghetto-up" who says that? Is that a white people thing? I've heard this before so I'm going to go with 'yes'. It's a term that's spread to England enough that I hear it every now and again. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On January 05 2019 12:54 Danglars wrote: Of course if you look at the main thread, agreeing on how you’re just the worst qualifies as political discussion. And that’s the putatively well-moderated one. 2019 and people are still mad at criticism of the Democratic Party and mainstream candidates from the left. Some things never change. As American politics is, so this forum has become. This is the thread where everyone dumps on the Dems, that one's the thread where everyone dumps on the Repubs. You're deluded if you think this thread is 'better' than that one. They're the same with different participants, and so different flavours. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23208 Posts
On January 05 2019 21:34 iamthedave wrote: As American politics is, so this forum has become. This is the thread where everyone dumps on the Dems, that one's the thread where everyone dumps on the Repubs. You're deluded if you think this thread is 'better' than that one. They're the same with different participants, and so different flavours. People have said this the whole time but Repubs get dumped on here, Democrats don't there. So please stop using this line, it's gotten past obnoxious. | ||
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Mercy13
United States718 Posts
I think it’s a source of . . . real pain for people that we don’t have a national story that makes sense and holds the past accountable, and pictures a better future. A shared national identity is probably necessary for a diverse democracy to function. Conservatives recognize this and often lament that our national identity is weaker than it used to be. I think that's why they hold on so tightly to ideals like reverence for the founding fathers and Constitution, belief in the American dream, American exceptionalism, support for the military, etc, and criticize liberals for not giving such ideals due respect. The problem with this view is "shared" national identities of the past excluded huge swaths Americans. E.g., the American dream was a lie with disastrous consequences for large numbers of people of color (see redlining and contract buying), and the Constitution was deliberately designed to inflict one of the most horrific institutions in human history on much of the same group. It's no wonder that many on the left reject these ideals as a source for national identity. I don't know what we should adopt instead, but to make progress as a country we're going to need to come up with something which "holds the past accountable, and pictures a better future." Hopefully conservatives eventually realize this, and cooperate in the project rather than feeling nostalgic for a mythical past where Americans were unified, when in fact it only seemed that way because millions of people were unable to be heard. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23208 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 05 2019 21:34 iamthedave wrote: As American politics is, so this forum has become. This is the thread where everyone dumps on the Dems, that one's the thread where everyone dumps on the Repubs. You're deluded if you think this thread is 'better' than that one. They're the same with different participants, and so different flavours. Haha zero responsibility taken. Yeah, you’re better off staying in that thread. The little two minutes of hate by name on GH flies over there, and maybe so does this lame excuse that it’s just what politics has become. And here I thought you wanted people to own Trumps behavior, and you can’t even own your own. Deluded. | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
On January 05 2019 14:26 GreenHorizons wrote: What's becoming pretty obvious is that they are looking for the right packaging and rhetoric to sell the same old policy. There's an ongoing uproar among liberals for progressives and journalists having the audacity to look into O'rourke's record. It's unclear whether they know that's what the primary is nominally for. annnd Pelosi just pulled an "All Lives Matter". That's the leader of the Democrats for you. But sure why shouldn't I be excited she's in charge now. https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1081400163992780800 You can tell from that line quoted that she doesn't understand the concept of Black Lives Matter as anything more than a talking point. That's how Trump talks. If Trump had said that quote, it wouldn't feel out of place. And that's pretty embarrassing. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23208 Posts
On January 06 2019 00:53 Dromar wrote: You can tell from that line quoted that she doesn't understand the concept of Black Lives Matter as anything more than a talking point. That's how Trump talks. If Trump had said that quote, it wouldn't feel out of place. And that's pretty embarrassing. Same goes for backing Blue Lives Matter legislation. Democrats saw 2016 and concluded they weren't racist enough. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On January 06 2019 00:38 Danglars wrote: Haha zero responsibility taken. Yeah, you’re better off staying in that thread. The little two minutes of hate by name on GH flies over there, and maybe so does this lame excuse that it’s just what politics has become. And here I thought you wanted people to own Trumps behavior, and you can’t even own your own. Deluded. I'm not even engaging with this. You said you were 'done' with me. Stay done. The posters over there don't like GH, I do and I've never been shy about saying it. We disagree on plenty of things, but I don't hold him in any disregard because of it. The context of the post I think you're thinking of was me pointing out why I was cross-posting. However, I do feel his hatred of the Democrats is a little clouding at times. On January 05 2019 23:22 GreenHorizons wrote: People have said this the whole time but Repubs get dumped on here, Democrats don't there. So please stop using this line, it's gotten past obnoxious. Mostly by you, but you hate everyone. Back when it was mostly you, Daunt and Danglars posting this was absolutely the Dems get dunked on thread, and you tend to dunk on the Dems a hell of a lot harder than you do on the Republicans (I guess in part because you're disappointed with them but still). | ||
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