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On April 29 2018 20:37 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Was it just one person responsible? Because i see from the liquipedia [sk]Magician donated $65 to the prize pool.Is he still in SK? If yes it's very doubtful the money was ever donated (debited from his account) no?
Magician is definitely complicit in 619's shitty actions and should be removed from anything 619 is.
He has cheated, smurfed, and I think he lied about his skill level on stream to solicit paid lessons from newer players.
He always claimed to be some high MMR and then would only stream on smurf accounts that are sub-2000. We checked his starlog profile when that website came out for his main account and found out he was boosted by a Protoss player to hit the MMR he claimed he was at. (Magician is a Zerg player for anyone who didn't know).
It is a dumb situation, and I am friends with a lot of [SK] members who in my opinion would never do anything unethical, but at the same time I'm just confused at people who stuck with the clan all this time as everyone else was like "yeah, that is a dumpster fire waiting to happen." You either have to been heavily taken advantage of or have turned a blind eye to this all if you think [SK] wasn't a scummy clan considering there was drama following every topic for SKTL, etc. Like none of this is new or revealing information. The fact that 619 and Magician CHEATED in a low level tourney for a few bucks is about as pathetic as you can get in SC scene.
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@eonzerg Of course the top players that are in SK are only defending 619 and SK because they are and have been being paid a monthly stipend by 619 to play for him, which is another reason why the players shouldn't expect any money from 619, and should really be looking towards Matcherino to collect any possible funds and like a previous poster said, hosting other events to compensate for 619's lack of dividends.
'top' players in SK being paid is the only reason people even stayed, now players should and will most likely disperse to other teams which will be good for the scene over all, because there were too many players in SK to begin with, and now the bubble bursts.
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I'd like to leave a comment as one of SK's less active members, who is on the B team for STPL but hasn't been in any other major tournaments. To start, I had no idea that any of this was going on. It was absolutely not obvious to me that anything shady was going on in the clan, so if this is all true then 619 does a good job of hiding it from us. I'm very disappointed to hear this and will likely be leaving the clan, tho I'd like to comment that it seems unfair to judge all the members of the team for this. The overwhelming majority of players on the team had no idea any of this was happening. I totally understand if you're pissed at 619, but I don't think its reasonable to assume we're all scum for being in the clan, as the majority of my teammates are really standup guys.
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On April 29 2018 20:55 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2018 12:57 QuaNTeL wrote:On April 29 2018 10:13 ProtossGG wrote:Need to ban [SK] effectively from all tours and honestly, any players associated on that tag, should also be punished. Because based on what Kingdom is saying, the players are in some way, condoning these actions through their leader. In my opinion, [SK] should totally disband and all their players, I think Dewalt is the only good/active one left ... just leave and find any team you want  Yes of course me bonyth terror dewalt condoning these action. LOL im not really sure SK players are condoning anything, in fact Bonyth was a really good defender of 619(i suspect is cuz he was paid to join SK from red)i remember asking for the maps of the semifinals 2- 3 times without getting an answer and 619 decided to insult me for free even calling me fat and that he will buy a ticket to my third world country to beat me.cool story discord warrior,i even pmed bonyth how he could join a team like this and he totally ignored me,in fact not a single SK player said shit.and so far it seems dewalt is planing to continue on that team,and it is a bit strange to me cuz i asked dewalt few times if he was paid for sk but he said not and that will ask 619 about it but he never did.Terror already left SK,joined Nas cuz he was not happy with the outcome. so far the only person that acted the right way is terror,why will u stay in a team with that shady reputation?and that new guy leading SK who knows maybe is the same person as 619 so be careful with qikz starleague.
well sorry, i didnt know anything about bonyth getting paid before. but i can tell you dewalt wasn't getting paid any money. so you should respect him for his loyality to stay in the team, untill today the leader blacksnow told us that we can leave and join another team because of the issue going on.
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Wow... just wow.. Didnt know anything about this. Cinda hard to know about unless ur Active on forums I guess. Will be leaving the team..
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Bisutopia19231 Posts
In the future if you don't trust a tournament organizer please pm me. As a community member with a proven record I will make sure the tournament funds are there and if it seems sketchy I will gladly hold the money for the event organizer and do the payouts. In this scenario, if you don't get your money I will back it myself because you had my word.
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On April 30 2018 03:31 BisuDagger wrote:
In the future if you don't trust a tournament organizer please pm me. As a community member with a proven record I will make sure the tournament funds are there and if it seems sketchy I will gladly hold the money for the event organizer and do the payouts. In this scenario, if you don't get your money I will back it myself because you had my word.
gecko gonna host super-hockey-tour, big prize pool, bisudagger does the holding-onto-the-money, donate now to: germanmafia@paypal.com?
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Bisutopia19231 Posts
On April 30 2018 04:22 GeckoXp wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2018 03:31 BisuDagger wrote:
In the future if you don't trust a tournament organizer please pm me. As a community member with a proven record I will make sure the tournament funds are there and if it seems sketchy I will gladly hold the money for the event organizer and do the payouts. In this scenario, if you don't get your money I will back it myself because you had my word. gecko gonna host super-hockey-tour, big prize pool, bisudagger does the holding-onto-the-money, donate now to: germanmafia@paypal.com?
Not at all sketchy.
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Has anyone been able to reach him at all?
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On April 29 2018 03:37 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2018 02:36 GGzerG wrote:
This isn't surprising to me at all, this is why I didn't even bother getting [WHITE] involved with this league lol, what do you expect from this 619 guy? Are you surprised really guys?
We need a players union to prevent things like this, and or a middle man / organization to hold the money to ensure this doesn't happen, other games / sports have done things like this. That's what Matcherino is. I would speak to them about it.
Mmmm let me clarify that. Matcherino is a tournament funding website for donations/etc. If the money isn't on the $ amount at the top of the tournament page, it's not fair to put any blame on matcherino.
tldr, if you join a tournament and you don't see the big ${prizepool} then have less expectation to be paid. As such, every Have At You, I try to remember to put the $200 up there before the tour begins so people know I won't back out.
I don't think this is anything we need to involve matcherino with... if they handled donations/etc outside of matcherino, that's shady af. It's simpler if you have any matcherino to put it all in there because the prizepool payout is easy as hell.
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United States10151 Posts
Lol. People just figuring out that SK and 619 are shady af and complete assholes. The dude tried to get into a D- newbie league tournament when he was rocking 200+ apm and perfect build orders, then feigns ignorance when I called him out on it. lol.
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UPDATE: Spoke with the matcherino representative that was working with SK on funding the tournament. he's looking into it, and is going to get back to me.
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id just like to say in regards to magicians donation of $65 to the league. i really do not know 619 or magician very well at all so my input on the whole matter is pretty much worthless, the only interactions ive had with magician was when he called all of eMg a piece of shit clan and that we r cowards (behind our backs in SKs discord) but the ironic thing about this was he died to me on destination a few days prior  . anyways he seems like the kind of guy to mess around with controversy
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I feel like something like this may have happened before at some point.
Not sure. Got this weird deja vu feeling.
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On May 01 2018 07:52 ninazerg wrote:
I feel like something like this may have happened before at some point.
Not sure. Got this weird deja vu feeling.
Did it involve Wayne Gretzky Rookie cards?
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I remember when at the launch of remastered, 619 came into the scene with big ambitions hoping that he could make some money off of the revitalizing community. Now a year later, he gives up and then settles for scamming a few people for one months rent . If this is all true then the joke is on him.
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Guys I have created a new thread about this, pls give it a read. ty
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Hello everyone. So I have been watching this unfold for a little bit now and I first just want to clarify a few things and an important announcement.
I am not saying that 619 has done everything right, all the time, or even been always reliable, but those issues are irrelevant since this thread as far as I can see is about the SKTLNOT lets everyone voice our grievances about someone.
First of all, everyone in this thread is making a huge assumption that as far as i can see, is completely unsubstantiated, that 619 is not paying people that deserve funds from the tourney.
The first thing I did when this thread came up is I DM'd him because he has been straight with me before and I felt like their might be another side to this coin. I will paste his message to me word for word.
+ Show Spoiler +Dude these guys are some loaded cannons lol. I have been kinda unavailable for the last week but I spoke with eon and told him we where just waiting for Matcherino to fix a $250 error which was fixed literally an hour ago. I told him once it’s done I’ll do payout lol.
721.91 total pp will be paid sooon as I deposit some cash. Got outta work late but I’m off the next two days.
Money’s not an issue. Just using the resources we where given. At the time eon didn’t have an issue lol.
And then he sent me an image of the money:
+ Show Spoiler +https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/363426152431484938/440685724744810496/image.jpg?width=383&height=510
I asked him if I could post this publicly and he agreed, meaning he wants this info to be public.
Eonzerg can respond to whether this was his understanding too.
OK so now that's out of the way, AFAIK 619 has the money, and will send it.
Assuming all goes well, I would like to take this opportunity to have a bit of a soapbox moment.
1. I don't believe 619 is malicious. I am not saying that i think he didn't make mistakes and sometimes serious ones, but alot of y'all made a lot of comments implying malicious intent which is just a different level.
2.I do believe that alot of people gave him such a hard time to do basic stuff. Was their a conflict of interest? Sure that cant be helped because its the SKtl but it was apparent and nobody was forced to join.(seriously so many people acted like entitled jerks because there were some odd decisions) I was in the server since almost day 1 and what I saw was DEFINETLY not blind favoritism, being shady, and one sided behavior. Again this is JUST about SKTL, I wasn't for other things and I can't know what went on in other DM's. I think 619 is a decent guy, from what I've seen.
3. Let's start relaxing a little bit on the BW TL forums. I am admittedly pretty fresh to the forums ( a few years) but wow things like this people get so amped up with claims that arent even Confirmed!! I'm not a Koombyah lets all sit in the circle together type of person but I think we should start treating each other with some more respect. BW is the best game ever created so lets start being the best community.
4. Everything in the above points is my opinon based on my experiences. If you have a different idea or concept By all means share it!! If were really after the truth of this matter than 619 and everyone involved have nothing to fear.
Sorry if It sounds like I'm preachin, but It was on my mind for a bit and I had to say it.
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United States10151 Posts
He's not a decent guy. He's had a bad reputation already from past experiences many people have had with him.
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