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On May 02 2018 06:51 619 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2018 06:34 GGzerG wrote:On May 02 2018 06:17 Jealous wrote:
I'm glad that everything was resolved, and I'm glad that numerous people stepped up to say that making premature judgements after hearing only one side of the story isn't the right way to go about it.
It's of course a suboptimal situation overall, but I have the feeling that even if 619 appeared the same day the thread was posted with screenshots of emails detailing issues with Matcherino and etc., people would still find something to cling to because of pre-existing biases and rumors.
This isn't to say that there's no chance that things were handled suboptimally somewhere in the past month+, but it should at least serve as an example of how "he said, she said" can turn a situation that looks bad on the surface into a massive drama bomb after only one side has had a chance to speak.
I'm aware of the story that 619 participated in the D- tournament; I was actually inquiring about this issue with the tournament organizer, casters, and some of the participants when pursuing a different matter (unrelated to 619). When they said that they think it was 619 who played but on a smurf account, my first thought was "Oh, well he's not too far from that level." No offense, 619. Anyway, now when I hear people saying in this thread that the player in question had 200 APM and perfect build orders, I grow even more skeptical, because that is just not 619's play (again, no offense). Either that person is heavily embellishing the story, which goes along with what I said earlier in this post about drama bombs, or the person who played in the tournament wasn't 619. There is of course the possibility that more than one player smurfed into that tournament, one of which was 619, which was separate from the 200 APM perfect build order player, and the poster just got confused. That goes to show that people should be sure of what they are saying and accusing others of, perhaps with reference links and sources to substantiate their claims.
TL:DR; People should try to focus on the facts and hear both sides of the story before turning into a pack of rabid hyenas, even when the circumstances and testimonies seem to point in a certain direction. You've always been really good at turning 1 sentence into 3 paragraphs... TL ; DR - "I'm Defending 619 because I was in his team previously and I feel bad that he now paid the money back, even though he is clearly lying and was dodging PM's" I also agree with you SuGo ,I was going to write exactly what you wrote there, but I didn't feel the need to stir this up anymore than it already has been, especially after he paid... although it is all too obvious that due to his 'Character', his statements, and even defending himself while bringing up context of Eywa's hockey card incident, it is pretty obvious that he is lying, and was in fact delaying and dodging PM's until he could / would pay, or shit hit the fan like this. 619 I would respond to you, but you basically already responded for me with the level of stupidity shown in your posts lol, kind of funny to see you telling me to STFU... obvious lying defensive rager =P gl hf GGs go back to your garbage minimum wage job and hopping on trying to make friends when you sound like your so fucked off from heroin kid.
First off I never wanted to join [SK] (that is hilarious) secondly I make a lot more than minimum wage, and thirdly I don't do heroin LOL... wtf?
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This guy was dragged through the mud before he had a chance to respond.
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On May 02 2018 06:59 SCC-Faust wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2018 06:17 Jealous wrote:
I'm aware of the story that 619 participated in the D- tournament; I was actually inquiring about this issue with the tournament organizer, casters, and some of the participants when pursuing a different matter (unrelated to 619). When they said that they think it was 619 who played but on a smurf account, my first thought was "Oh, well he's not too far from that level." No offense, 619. Anyway, now when I hear people saying in this thread that the player in question had 200 APM and perfect build orders, I grow even more skeptical, because that is just not 619's play (again, no offense). Either that person is heavily embellishing the story, which goes along with what I said earlier in this post about drama bombs, or the person who played in the tournament wasn't 619. There is of course the possibility that more than one player smurfed into that tournament, one of which was 619, which was separate from the 200 APM perfect build order player, and the poster just got confused. That goes to show that people should be sure of what they are saying and accusing others of, perhaps with reference links and sources to substantiate their claims.
TL:DR; People should try to focus on the facts and hear both sides of the story before turning into a pack of rabid hyenas, even when the circumstances and testimonies seem to point in a certain direction. Yeah, because that isn't how it goes. I know that the burden of proof relies on the accuser, but this information is publicly available and is in large part why he has such a bad reputation. Ignorance isn't even an excuse at this point. Topic where the controversy took place: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/526262-beginner-tournament-4The discord where the controversy took place: http://discord.gg/bdBT3VS619 was DQ'd because of how well he played. This is amazing to you because that is contrary to 619's skill level. Common logic suggests he had someone smurf for him. This is why people are also mentioning Magician here. "Magician" was supposedly trying to enter the tournament as a smurf before it even started in the screenies here: ![[image loading]](https://i.gyazo.com/03fe4f20df5ec3fa62f37d982217a8c7.png) ![[image loading]](https://i.gyazo.com/5a61e98ed360414053b3a3b7171d32d7.png) Account in question: ![[image loading]](https://i.gyazo.com/677bbfb0612dc1cbae3b80dde43e5b7f.png) I wonder who played on 619's account?
Honestly theres like 3 people in the clan that knew my logins before I put on 2 step verification. I didnt even know this was happening when it did - and after he got caught I just wasnt going to throw him under the bus and I was willing to take the blame. Good to know people hating on me because of that still. xd
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On May 02 2018 07:08 GGzerG wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2018 06:51 619 wrote:On May 02 2018 06:34 GGzerG wrote:On May 02 2018 06:17 Jealous wrote:
I'm glad that everything was resolved, and I'm glad that numerous people stepped up to say that making premature judgements after hearing only one side of the story isn't the right way to go about it.
It's of course a suboptimal situation overall, but I have the feeling that even if 619 appeared the same day the thread was posted with screenshots of emails detailing issues with Matcherino and etc., people would still find something to cling to because of pre-existing biases and rumors.
This isn't to say that there's no chance that things were handled suboptimally somewhere in the past month+, but it should at least serve as an example of how "he said, she said" can turn a situation that looks bad on the surface into a massive drama bomb after only one side has had a chance to speak.
I'm aware of the story that 619 participated in the D- tournament; I was actually inquiring about this issue with the tournament organizer, casters, and some of the participants when pursuing a different matter (unrelated to 619). When they said that they think it was 619 who played but on a smurf account, my first thought was "Oh, well he's not too far from that level." No offense, 619. Anyway, now when I hear people saying in this thread that the player in question had 200 APM and perfect build orders, I grow even more skeptical, because that is just not 619's play (again, no offense). Either that person is heavily embellishing the story, which goes along with what I said earlier in this post about drama bombs, or the person who played in the tournament wasn't 619. There is of course the possibility that more than one player smurfed into that tournament, one of which was 619, which was separate from the 200 APM perfect build order player, and the poster just got confused. That goes to show that people should be sure of what they are saying and accusing others of, perhaps with reference links and sources to substantiate their claims.
TL:DR; People should try to focus on the facts and hear both sides of the story before turning into a pack of rabid hyenas, even when the circumstances and testimonies seem to point in a certain direction. You've always been really good at turning 1 sentence into 3 paragraphs... TL ; DR - "I'm Defending 619 because I was in his team previously and I feel bad that he now paid the money back, even though he is clearly lying and was dodging PM's" I also agree with you SuGo ,I was going to write exactly what you wrote there, but I didn't feel the need to stir this up anymore than it already has been, especially after he paid... although it is all too obvious that due to his 'Character', his statements, and even defending himself while bringing up context of Eywa's hockey card incident, it is pretty obvious that he is lying, and was in fact delaying and dodging PM's until he could / would pay, or shit hit the fan like this. 619 I would respond to you, but you basically already responded for me with the level of stupidity shown in your posts lol, kind of funny to see you telling me to STFU... obvious lying defensive rager =P gl hf GGs go back to your garbage minimum wage job and hopping on trying to make friends when you sound like your so fucked off from heroin kid. First off I never wanted to join [SK] (that is hilarious) secondly I make a lot more than minimum wage, and thirdly I don't do heroin LOL... wtf?
Really kid? You never wanted to join SK? [SK]Agent420 ? That wasnt you? Bitch stfu and go get drunk and try and start another "TL ill meet you in person brawl" you little bitch. Dont be coming to me with your basket full of bullshit lies.
User was temp banned for this post.
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You are welcome to come to me when you need more advise for an idea, dont talk shit behind my back though you chump.
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On May 02 2018 06:34 GGzerG wrote:
619 I would respond to you, but you basically already responded for me with the level of stupidity shown in your posts lol, kind of funny to see you telling me to STFU... obvious lying defensive rager =P
gl hf GGs
On May 02 2018 06:51 619 wrote:
go back to your garbage minimum wage job and hopping on trying to make friends when you sound like your so fucked off from heroin kid.
On May 02 2018 07:16 619 wrote:
Honestly theres like 3 people in the clan that knew my logins before I put on 2 step verification. I didnt even know this was happening when it did - and after he got caught I just wasnt going to throw him under the bus and I was willing to take the blame. Good to know people hating on me because of that still. xd
On May 02 2018 03:55 619 wrote:
It could have been me offering some bullshit tournament with the sale of my hockey cards and completely scamming everyone. I see alot of people here that supported that clown when he was giving me problems.
"I'm not as bad as this other guy."
On May 02 2018 03:54 619 wrote:
Yeah theres been a bunch of accusations that where complete bullshit and instead of anyone reaching out to me directly they posted in the public drama forums once again to try and crucify someone for bullshit. I was fucking working - doing life.
"I have a life, you nerds. That's why it took four weeks and a thread calling me out to pay up."
On May 02 2018 06:27 JambonRoseM wrote:
Hey guys,
This is Michael from Matcherino.
I was hoping for Michael from Vsauce, but I guess this is okay, too.
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On May 02 2018 07:20 619 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2018 07:08 GGzerG wrote:On May 02 2018 06:51 619 wrote:On May 02 2018 06:34 GGzerG wrote:On May 02 2018 06:17 Jealous wrote:
I'm glad that everything was resolved, and I'm glad that numerous people stepped up to say that making premature judgements after hearing only one side of the story isn't the right way to go about it.
It's of course a suboptimal situation overall, but I have the feeling that even if 619 appeared the same day the thread was posted with screenshots of emails detailing issues with Matcherino and etc., people would still find something to cling to because of pre-existing biases and rumors.
This isn't to say that there's no chance that things were handled suboptimally somewhere in the past month+, but it should at least serve as an example of how "he said, she said" can turn a situation that looks bad on the surface into a massive drama bomb after only one side has had a chance to speak.
I'm aware of the story that 619 participated in the D- tournament; I was actually inquiring about this issue with the tournament organizer, casters, and some of the participants when pursuing a different matter (unrelated to 619). When they said that they think it was 619 who played but on a smurf account, my first thought was "Oh, well he's not too far from that level." No offense, 619. Anyway, now when I hear people saying in this thread that the player in question had 200 APM and perfect build orders, I grow even more skeptical, because that is just not 619's play (again, no offense). Either that person is heavily embellishing the story, which goes along with what I said earlier in this post about drama bombs, or the person who played in the tournament wasn't 619. There is of course the possibility that more than one player smurfed into that tournament, one of which was 619, which was separate from the 200 APM perfect build order player, and the poster just got confused. That goes to show that people should be sure of what they are saying and accusing others of, perhaps with reference links and sources to substantiate their claims.
TL:DR; People should try to focus on the facts and hear both sides of the story before turning into a pack of rabid hyenas, even when the circumstances and testimonies seem to point in a certain direction. You've always been really good at turning 1 sentence into 3 paragraphs... TL ; DR - "I'm Defending 619 because I was in his team previously and I feel bad that he now paid the money back, even though he is clearly lying and was dodging PM's" I also agree with you SuGo ,I was going to write exactly what you wrote there, but I didn't feel the need to stir this up anymore than it already has been, especially after he paid... although it is all too obvious that due to his 'Character', his statements, and even defending himself while bringing up context of Eywa's hockey card incident, it is pretty obvious that he is lying, and was in fact delaying and dodging PM's until he could / would pay, or shit hit the fan like this. 619 I would respond to you, but you basically already responded for me with the level of stupidity shown in your posts lol, kind of funny to see you telling me to STFU... obvious lying defensive rager =P gl hf GGs go back to your garbage minimum wage job and hopping on trying to make friends when you sound like your so fucked off from heroin kid. First off I never wanted to join [SK] (that is hilarious) secondly I make a lot more than minimum wage, and thirdly I don't do heroin LOL... wtf? Really kid? You never wanted to join SK? [SK]Agent420 ? That wasnt you? Bitch stfu and go get drunk and try and start another "TL ill meet you in person brawl" you little bitch. Dont be coming to me with your basket full of bullshit lies.
lol dude agent420[SK] was a joke, I never wanted to be in your team nor is it allowed with the clan i'm already in, it was an obvious joke, who would take the name ' agent420 ' seriously? You really have some issues kid, get off your high horse, you are not even good at this game....and you try to bring in someone's personal life that isn't even real lol...
I don't drink either anymore, because I get cluster headaches actually, I stopped drinking quite some time ago...I only smoke if you care to know 
Asking you for advice? I talk to a lot of people about ideas / thoughts for the scene, don't feel special lol.
Good job you paid, but I guess your shit show is over now, your clan is dead, and no one will trust you with events anymore. GL.
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@619 No point in responding to the village idiot whose sole MO seems to be attempting to make other people more hated than him by any means necessary so that he isn't at the bottom of the barrel.
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Jesus, when did this turn into Clan X17 channel?
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