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On May 02 2018 00:15 GGzerG wrote:LOL that image of the money is the funniest thing I have ever seen in my history of online / gaming tournament payouts. The fact that 619 has the audacity to send an image of the money and not just handle this issue in a professional manner is proof in itself that him and anyone like him should be permanently banned from here, to preserve and grow this community. Little shit shows like this that should be miniscule and handled in a quick fashion, shouldn't even happen.
Why the fuck would I spend my personal money when I spent countless to hours obtain resources to host this kind of event with the possibility of even greater payout? STFU and sit down. I do what the fuck I want with my money.
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On May 02 2018 03:13 619 wrote:
NEVER HAD A PAYOUT ISSUE!
I mean, the fact there's a thread about it and it's 4 months late; you blocked the people involved and then instead of apologizing, decide to curse out people who are suspicious... Yeah, I'd say there's been some issues.
Please never let this happen again. Our scene is too small and fragile to have these types of issues dissuading people from wanting to join team leagues.
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Thats complete bullshit I never blocked anyone. The league ended middle of March and again I was in complete contact with eOn until 04/02 and that was the last conversation we had. I have attached our discord screenshots. Until you know the situation keep your fucking opinions to yourself.
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The payment was not 4 months late... the league just ended about 6 wks ago... after that I was waiting for matcherino to reapply the credits that where allocated to this event that had been mistakenly removed. if you cant understand this situation and you think that i was dicking around just holding your money, then I dont know what to say to you.
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On May 02 2018 03:41 619 wrote:Thats complete bullshit I never blocked anyone. The league ended middle of March and again I was in complete contact with eOn until 04/02 and that was the last conversation we had. I have attached our discord screenshots. Until you know the situation keep your fucking opinions to yourself. The payment was not 4 months late... the league just ended about 6 wks ago... after that I was waiting for matcherino to reapply the credits that where allocated to this event that had been mistakenly removed. if you cant understand this situation and you think that i was dicking around just holding your money, then I dont know what to say to you.
Bro, maybe you should read the topic. The OP claimed that eonzerg was blocked. No one refuted this until now. Three days after the accusation was made. And it sounded really damning. None of your clanmates had an inkling of a clue what was going on, and you couldn't be arsed to spend 5 minutes to tell people it was not the case.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 28 2018 22:28 Cryoc wrote:
Since then nothing. When Eonzerg tried to contact him again on Monday April 23rd, he was blocked by 619. So I wrote him a message on Discord on Tuesday regarding the SKTL prize money while he was online listening to Spotify, but I did not receive any answer. The Discord server for SKTL was also deleted in the meantime.
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Yeah theres been a bunch of accusations that where complete bullshit and instead of anyone reaching out to me directly they posted in the public drama forums once again to try and crucify someone for bullshit. I was fucking working - doing life. The second I had realized there was an issue was two nights ago I sent messages to Cryoc, Dragon, and everyone from SK that was still around. This shit moved so fast because everyone assumed this accusations where true before asking for any clarification. I was in completely transparent with eonzerg this shit should have never happened period.
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On May 02 2018 03:54 619 wrote:
Yeah theres been a bunch of accusations that where complete bullshit and instead of anyone reaching out to me directly they posted in the public drama forums once again to try and crucify someone for bullshit. I was fucking working - doing life. The second I had realized there was an issue was two nights ago I sent messages to Cryoc, Dragon, and everyone from SK that was still around. This shit moved so fast because everyone assumed this accusations where true before asking for any clarification. I was in completely transparent with eonzerg this shit should have never happened period.
A bunch of people tried to contact you, that is why this topic was made.
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It could have been me offering some bullshit tournament with the sale of my hockey cards and completely scamming everyone. I see alot of people here that supported that clown when he was giving me problems.
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On May 02 2018 03:55 SCC-Faust wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2018 03:54 619 wrote:
Yeah theres been a bunch of accusations that where complete bullshit and instead of anyone reaching out to me directly they posted in the public drama forums once again to try and crucify someone for bullshit. I was fucking working - doing life. The second I had realized there was an issue was two nights ago I sent messages to Cryoc, Dragon, and everyone from SK that was still around. This shit moved so fast because everyone assumed this accusations where true before asking for any clarification. I was in completely transparent with eonzerg this shit should have never happened period. A bunch of people tried to contact you, that is why this topic was made.
I worked 14 hours the day this started, and have no access to a computer. I didnt get home and check discord. I literally got home and fell asleep right away.
Second day I worked 10 hours, got home from work and responded to all the messages from anyone on discord. Also contacted matcherino and let them know that winners where getting impatient.
soon as matcherino applied the credit the payout was complete.
dont know what more you want.
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i guess since he deleted the SKTL discord channel i couldnt contact him anymore.but is not like he did any effort to contact me or anything.
anyway thanks for keeping your word.gl hf
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Now that you're here 619 and I reckon you'd want to make things clear, and for the sake of wanting to ask and get a better understanding, I hope it's okay if I ask a couple of questions. I don't really mean to accuse, but rather to understand. I'll admit that I don't really like you, but that's based on what I've actually seen from you in various teamleagues. But I think it's important to keep an open mind and just because I don't quite like someone, it doesn't mean everything they do is bad.
Sometimes we're wrong. And I want to make sure I get it right. There are some points that are especially interesting to me.
1. Cryoc mentions that he contacted you on "Tuesday", which I assume was meant as Tuesday the 24th of April (seeing as it was the day after Eonzerg claimed to have been blocked). Why did you not reply to Cryoc until a week later, when this topic was made? You mention 14 and 10 hours work days, but when the payment was already nearly 4 weeks late* from when it was promised it would make sense you'd be aware that they'd need an update. (*Referring to the Discord conversation where you said at March 14th that the money should be paid within 2 weeks.)
2. There are some accusations that you got caught joining tournaments to win 50$ prizes, where you were clearly above the skill level which the tournament was intended for. Is this correct? If not, is there anything in particular that can be said to rebuke the accusations? I find this relevant regarding character, rather than any other relevance to this case.
You might not want to answer all of this, and you might think it's bullshit of me to even ask. But quite frankly I think in a case like this, patience goes a long way. I can easily understand it must be extremely frustrating to see something blow up while being busy, just to see it blow so far out of proportions without being able to do jack shit about it. Which makes it all the more easy to let that frustration seep into the replies.
But I'm not quite convinced about your character yet. Suddenly becoming available and paying it out after being called out could just be poor timing, but it could also be a hope that people would forget that got crushed. I've been wrong abotu people before and I don't mind apologizing even though it stings to be on "the wrong side of history". But I also don't want a chance to interact with you slide.
I'd rather hear your thoughts, than sit alone with mine.
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It's great its paid out. At the end he kept his word.
Here's the real question though - would 619 have paid this out if this was not made public? My opinion is NO. He would not have come out of the depths of mordor and make the payment and a few posts.
I don't trust the character and I don't feel he should be in charge of leagues or holding money. This is just my opinion of the matter. Once something like this happen, people lose trust.
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I'm glad that everything was resolved, and I'm glad that numerous people stepped up to say that making premature judgements after hearing only one side of the story isn't the right way to go about it.
It's of course a suboptimal situation overall, but I have the feeling that even if 619 appeared the same day the thread was posted with screenshots of emails detailing issues with Matcherino and etc., people would still find something to cling to because of pre-existing biases and rumors.
This isn't to say that there's no chance that things were handled suboptimally somewhere in the past month+, but it should at least serve as an example of how "he said, she said" can turn a situation that looks bad on the surface into a massive drama bomb after only one side has had a chance to speak.
I'm aware of the story that 619 participated in the D- tournament; I was actually inquiring about this issue with the tournament organizer, casters, and some of the participants when pursuing a different matter (unrelated to 619). When they said that they think it was 619 who played but on a smurf account, my first thought was "Oh, well he's not too far from that level." No offense, 619. Anyway, now when I hear people saying in this thread that the player in question had 200 APM and perfect build orders, I grow even more skeptical, because that is just not 619's play (again, no offense). Either that person is heavily embellishing the story, which goes along with what I said earlier in this post about drama bombs, or the person who played in the tournament wasn't 619. There is of course the possibility that more than one player smurfed into that tournament, one of which was 619, which was separate from the 200 APM perfect build order player, and the poster just got confused. That goes to show that people should be sure of what they are saying and accusing others of, perhaps with reference links and sources to substantiate their claims.
TL:DR; People should try to focus on the facts and hear both sides of the story before turning into a pack of rabid hyenas, even when the circumstances and testimonies seem to point in a certain direction.
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Hey guys,
This is Michael from Matcherino. I was contacted about this. When I learned that there was an issue, I reached out to x619 whom I had already spoke with in the past about the league many times.
He assured me that the prize was going to be paid out asap and that he had been bogged down by a move. True to his word, he went and paid the prize out.
I can't speak to the past, but I can assure you that in every conversation that I've had with x619 it was clear to me that he was acting in good faith and had no intention of being a fly by night organizer. I'm glad that the issue was resolved and I hope we can continue to support Broodwar events on Matcherino.
Thanks,
Michael
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On May 02 2018 06:17 Jealous wrote:
I'm glad that everything was resolved, and I'm glad that numerous people stepped up to say that making premature judgements after hearing only one side of the story isn't the right way to go about it.
It's of course a suboptimal situation overall, but I have the feeling that even if 619 appeared the same day the thread was posted with screenshots of emails detailing issues with Matcherino and etc., people would still find something to cling to because of pre-existing biases and rumors.
This isn't to say that there's no chance that things were handled suboptimally somewhere in the past month+, but it should at least serve as an example of how "he said, she said" can turn a situation that looks bad on the surface into a massive drama bomb after only one side has had a chance to speak.
I'm aware of the story that 619 participated in the D- tournament; I was actually inquiring about this issue with the tournament organizer, casters, and some of the participants when pursuing a different matter (unrelated to 619). When they said that they think it was 619 who played but on a smurf account, my first thought was "Oh, well he's not too far from that level." No offense, 619. Anyway, now when I hear people saying in this thread that the player in question had 200 APM and perfect build orders, I grow even more skeptical, because that is just not 619's play (again, no offense). Either that person is heavily embellishing the story, which goes along with what I said earlier in this post about drama bombs, or the person who played in the tournament wasn't 619. There is of course the possibility that more than one player smurfed into that tournament, one of which was 619, which was separate from the 200 APM perfect build order player, and the poster just got confused. That goes to show that people should be sure of what they are saying and accusing others of, perhaps with reference links and sources to substantiate their claims.
TL:DR; People should try to focus on the facts and hear both sides of the story before turning into a pack of rabid hyenas, even when the circumstances and testimonies seem to point in a certain direction.
You've always been really good at turning 1 sentence into 3 paragraphs...
TL ; DR - "I'm Defending 619 because I was in his team previously and I feel bad that he now paid the money back, even though he is clearly lying and was dodging PM's"
I also agree with you SuGo ,I was going to write exactly what you wrote there, but I didn't feel the need to stir this up anymore than it already has been, especially after he paid... although it is all too obvious that due to his 'Character', his statements, and even defending himself while bringing up context of Eywa's hockey card incident, it is pretty obvious that he is lying, and was in fact delaying and dodging PM's until he could / would pay, or shit hit the fan like this.
619 I would respond to you, but you basically already responded for me with the level of stupidity shown in your posts lol, kind of funny to see you telling me to STFU... obvious lying defensive rager =P
gl hf GGs
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maybe next time 619 hosts a tournament he should take bisudagger's offer to hold the prize money, he says he's a software engineer so $721 should be peanuts to him
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On May 02 2018 06:34 GGzerG wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2018 06:17 Jealous wrote:
I'm glad that everything was resolved, and I'm glad that numerous people stepped up to say that making premature judgements after hearing only one side of the story isn't the right way to go about it.
It's of course a suboptimal situation overall, but I have the feeling that even if 619 appeared the same day the thread was posted with screenshots of emails detailing issues with Matcherino and etc., people would still find something to cling to because of pre-existing biases and rumors.
This isn't to say that there's no chance that things were handled suboptimally somewhere in the past month+, but it should at least serve as an example of how "he said, she said" can turn a situation that looks bad on the surface into a massive drama bomb after only one side has had a chance to speak.
I'm aware of the story that 619 participated in the D- tournament; I was actually inquiring about this issue with the tournament organizer, casters, and some of the participants when pursuing a different matter (unrelated to 619). When they said that they think it was 619 who played but on a smurf account, my first thought was "Oh, well he's not too far from that level." No offense, 619. Anyway, now when I hear people saying in this thread that the player in question had 200 APM and perfect build orders, I grow even more skeptical, because that is just not 619's play (again, no offense). Either that person is heavily embellishing the story, which goes along with what I said earlier in this post about drama bombs, or the person who played in the tournament wasn't 619. There is of course the possibility that more than one player smurfed into that tournament, one of which was 619, which was separate from the 200 APM perfect build order player, and the poster just got confused. That goes to show that people should be sure of what they are saying and accusing others of, perhaps with reference links and sources to substantiate their claims.
TL:DR; People should try to focus on the facts and hear both sides of the story before turning into a pack of rabid hyenas, even when the circumstances and testimonies seem to point in a certain direction. You've always been really good at turning 1 sentence into 3 paragraphs... TL ; DR - "I'm Defending 619 because I was in his team previously and I feel bad that he now paid the money back, even though he is clearly lying and was dodging PM's" I also agree with you SuGo ,I was going to write exactly what you wrote there, but I didn't feel the need to stir this up anymore than it already has been, especially after he paid... although it is all too obvious that due to his 'Character', his statements, and even defending himself while bringing up context of Eywa's hockey card incident, it is pretty obvious that he is lying, and was in fact delaying and dodging PM's until he could / would pay, or shit hit the fan like this. 619 I would respond to you, but you basically already responded for me with the level of stupidity shown in your posts lol, kind of funny to see you telling me to STFU... obvious lying defensive rager =P gl hf GGs
You have got the be the single most unliked person in broodwar. Just cuz you coudlnt make the B team roster dont be salty. Stfu kid.
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On May 02 2018 06:34 GGzerG wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2018 06:17 Jealous wrote:
I'm glad that everything was resolved, and I'm glad that numerous people stepped up to say that making premature judgements after hearing only one side of the story isn't the right way to go about it.
It's of course a suboptimal situation overall, but I have the feeling that even if 619 appeared the same day the thread was posted with screenshots of emails detailing issues with Matcherino and etc., people would still find something to cling to because of pre-existing biases and rumors.
This isn't to say that there's no chance that things were handled suboptimally somewhere in the past month+, but it should at least serve as an example of how "he said, she said" can turn a situation that looks bad on the surface into a massive drama bomb after only one side has had a chance to speak.
I'm aware of the story that 619 participated in the D- tournament; I was actually inquiring about this issue with the tournament organizer, casters, and some of the participants when pursuing a different matter (unrelated to 619). When they said that they think it was 619 who played but on a smurf account, my first thought was "Oh, well he's not too far from that level." No offense, 619. Anyway, now when I hear people saying in this thread that the player in question had 200 APM and perfect build orders, I grow even more skeptical, because that is just not 619's play (again, no offense). Either that person is heavily embellishing the story, which goes along with what I said earlier in this post about drama bombs, or the person who played in the tournament wasn't 619. There is of course the possibility that more than one player smurfed into that tournament, one of which was 619, which was separate from the 200 APM perfect build order player, and the poster just got confused. That goes to show that people should be sure of what they are saying and accusing others of, perhaps with reference links and sources to substantiate their claims.
TL:DR; People should try to focus on the facts and hear both sides of the story before turning into a pack of rabid hyenas, even when the circumstances and testimonies seem to point in a certain direction. You've always been really good at turning 1 sentence into 3 paragraphs... TL ; DR - "I'm Defending 619 because I was in his team previously and I feel bad that he now paid the money back, even though he is clearly lying and was dodging PM's" I also agree with you SuGo ,I was going to write exactly what you wrote there, but I didn't feel the need to stir this up anymore than it already has been, especially after he paid... although it is all too obvious that due to his 'Character', his statements, and even defending himself while bringing up context of Eywa's hockey card incident, it is pretty obvious that he is lying, and was in fact delaying and dodging PM's until he could / would pay, or shit hit the fan like this. 619 I would respond to you, but you basically already responded for me with the level of stupidity shown in your posts lol, kind of funny to see you telling me to STFU... obvious lying defensive rager =P gl hf GGs
go back to your garbage minimum wage job and hopping on trying to make friends when you sound like your so fucked off from heroin kid.
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On May 02 2018 05:52 ProtossGG wrote:
It's great its paid out. At the end he kept his word.
Here's the real question though - would 619 have paid this out if this was not made public? My opinion is NO. He would not have come out of the depths of mordor and make the payment and a few posts.
I don't trust the character and I don't feel he should be in charge of leagues or holding money. This is just my opinion of the matter. Once something like this happen, people lose trust.
Once something like what happens? Dont worry that $4200 that came from my pocket in the last 12 months wont be going to the BW community again. And if you think for a second I would let one of you guys hold my money to distribute youre higher than jesus himself son.
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On May 02 2018 06:17 Jealous wrote:
I'm aware of the story that 619 participated in the D- tournament; I was actually inquiring about this issue with the tournament organizer, casters, and some of the participants when pursuing a different matter (unrelated to 619). When they said that they think it was 619 who played but on a smurf account, my first thought was "Oh, well he's not too far from that level." No offense, 619. Anyway, now when I hear people saying in this thread that the player in question had 200 APM and perfect build orders, I grow even more skeptical, because that is just not 619's play (again, no offense). Either that person is heavily embellishing the story, which goes along with what I said earlier in this post about drama bombs, or the person who played in the tournament wasn't 619. There is of course the possibility that more than one player smurfed into that tournament, one of which was 619, which was separate from the 200 APM perfect build order player, and the poster just got confused. That goes to show that people should be sure of what they are saying and accusing others of, perhaps with reference links and sources to substantiate their claims.
TL:DR; People should try to focus on the facts and hear both sides of the story before turning into a pack of rabid hyenas, even when the circumstances and testimonies seem to point in a certain direction.
Yeah, because that isn't how it goes. I know that the burden of proof relies on the accuser, but this information is publicly available and is in large part why he has such a bad reputation. Ignorance isn't even an excuse at this point.
Topic where the controversy took place: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/526262-beginner-tournament-4
The discord where the controversy took place: http://discord.gg/bdBT3VS
619 was DQ'd because of how well he played. This is amazing to you because that is contrary to 619's skill level. Common logic suggests he had someone smurf for him. This is why people are also mentioning Magician here.
"Magician" was supposedly trying to enter the tournament as a smurf before it even started in the screenies here:
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Account in question:
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I wonder who played on 619's account?
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On May 02 2018 04:36 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
ClydeBOT - Today at 7:43 PM
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i guess since he deleted the SKTL discord channel i couldnt contact him anymore.but is not like he did any effort to contact me or anything.
anyway thanks for keeping your word.gl hf
Np. Again, when I contacted you last I said I would let you know when it was complete and we where ready to do payout. Its not like we where friends before, I had no reason to message you until it was completed like we discussed. Whats done is done tho.
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