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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 28 2016 17:17 GMT
#441
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Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
July 28 2016 17:59 GMT
#442
On July 28 2016 16:28 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 05:59 cLutZ wrote:
On July 28 2016 03:36 Xeris wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:53 cLutZ wrote:
He's been in the league a while , and pro play longer. He doesn't seem to be improving much.

Also, its incredibly easy to overrate those skills for PGs. There are dozens in the league that do those things at 80% Rubios level, and shoot.


Dozens? Name 10.


It would be easier to name the starting PGs who don't fit the criteria:

Rondo (also cant shoot)
Rose (also cant shoot, also cant walk)
Parker (too old to do things)
MCW (also cant shoot)
Calderon, Sloan, Neto (just terrible)


You said that there are DOZENS of PG's in the NBA who have ~80% of Rubio's playmaking ability and can shoot. I'm asking you to name even 10 PG's who fit that criteria... let alone 'dozens.'

Kyrie, Steph, CP3, John Wall, Lowry, Tony Parker, Kemba, Damian, Westbrook.. that's 9 who are objectively better than Rubio in every way. You can't tell me that there are more than a dozen ADDITIONAL PG's who are good shooters + 80% of Rubio's playmaking. That's insane.

Jeremy Lin, Brandon Knight, Isaiah Thomas, Goran Dragic, Eric Bledsoe, Dwayne Wade (when he plays point), Jeff Teague, Reggie Jackson have at least 80% of Rubio's playmaking and they can shoot as well.

D'Angelo Russell, Elfrid Payton and Emmanuel Mudiay, while not being better than Rubio today, they will be significantly better than Rubio starting from 2017-2018 season.

Giannis Antetokounmpo is objectively better than Rubio in every aspect of this game other than shooting, and while Greek Freak can't shoot, he can still score. Even as a PG, Antetokounmpo is better than Rubio.

There are a dozen additional guys for you.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 28 2016 19:03 GMT
#443
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-29 02:00:05
July 29 2016 01:59 GMT
#444
On July 29 2016 02:59 Djagulingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 16:28 Xeris wrote:
On July 28 2016 05:59 cLutZ wrote:
On July 28 2016 03:36 Xeris wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:53 cLutZ wrote:
He's been in the league a while , and pro play longer. He doesn't seem to be improving much.

Also, its incredibly easy to overrate those skills for PGs. There are dozens in the league that do those things at 80% Rubios level, and shoot.


Dozens? Name 10.


It would be easier to name the starting PGs who don't fit the criteria:

Rondo (also cant shoot)
Rose (also cant shoot, also cant walk)
Parker (too old to do things)
MCW (also cant shoot)
Calderon, Sloan, Neto (just terrible)


You said that there are DOZENS of PG's in the NBA who have ~80% of Rubio's playmaking ability and can shoot. I'm asking you to name even 10 PG's who fit that criteria... let alone 'dozens.'

Kyrie, Steph, CP3, John Wall, Lowry, Tony Parker, Kemba, Damian, Westbrook.. that's 9 who are objectively better than Rubio in every way. You can't tell me that there are more than a dozen ADDITIONAL PG's who are good shooters + 80% of Rubio's playmaking. That's insane.

D'Angelo Russell, Elfrid Payton and Emmanuel Mudiay, while not being better than Rubio today, they will be significantly better than Rubio starting from 2017-2018 season.

Stop being ridiculous. Maybe 1 of these will pan out but all 3 being significantly better than Rubio in less than 2 years is absurd hyperbole.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-29 17:03:39
July 29 2016 17:02 GMT
#445
On July 29 2016 01:45 cLutZ wrote:
Primary ball handler != Point Guard in this context. It simply means small guy who has trouble guarding more than 1 or 2 positions . The theory if Wiggins is that he has the potential to guard 4 positions and on offense post up smalls/take bigs off the dribble. If he doesn't develop a shot, that makes shooting from your 2 guards all the more important.


Rubio can guard PGs and SGs pretty well. Wiggins isn't a good defender yet, and while it looks like he will be lets not get caught up in potential. He isn't a better defender than Rubio. So again - why wouldn't the Wolves just trade Wiggins if this is your line of thinking?

For all the years I've posted in these NBA threads you always seem to have a very weird way of viewing the value of PGs (especially their defense). There are some that have no trouble guarding both guard spots and there are rare gems like Chris Paul and Beverly that won't get murdered by SFs.

On July 29 2016 10:59 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2016 02:59 Djagulingu wrote:
On July 28 2016 16:28 Xeris wrote:
On July 28 2016 05:59 cLutZ wrote:
On July 28 2016 03:36 Xeris wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:53 cLutZ wrote:
He's been in the league a while , and pro play longer. He doesn't seem to be improving much.

Also, its incredibly easy to overrate those skills for PGs. There are dozens in the league that do those things at 80% Rubios level, and shoot.


Dozens? Name 10.


It would be easier to name the starting PGs who don't fit the criteria:

Rondo (also cant shoot)
Rose (also cant shoot, also cant walk)
Parker (too old to do things)
MCW (also cant shoot)
Calderon, Sloan, Neto (just terrible)


You said that there are DOZENS of PG's in the NBA who have ~80% of Rubio's playmaking ability and can shoot. I'm asking you to name even 10 PG's who fit that criteria... let alone 'dozens.'

Kyrie, Steph, CP3, John Wall, Lowry, Tony Parker, Kemba, Damian, Westbrook.. that's 9 who are objectively better than Rubio in every way. You can't tell me that there are more than a dozen ADDITIONAL PG's who are good shooters + 80% of Rubio's playmaking. That's insane.

D'Angelo Russell, Elfrid Payton and Emmanuel Mudiay, while not being better than Rubio today, they will be significantly better than Rubio starting from 2017-2018 season.

Stop being ridiculous. Maybe 1 of these will pan out but all 3 being significantly better than Rubio in less than 2 years is absurd hyperbole.


lol that guy is damn hilarious
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
August 04 2016 20:35 GMT
#446
On July 29 2016 02:59 Djagulingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 16:28 Xeris wrote:
On July 28 2016 05:59 cLutZ wrote:
On July 28 2016 03:36 Xeris wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:53 cLutZ wrote:
He's been in the league a while , and pro play longer. He doesn't seem to be improving much.

Also, its incredibly easy to overrate those skills for PGs. There are dozens in the league that do those things at 80% Rubios level, and shoot.


Dozens? Name 10.


It would be easier to name the starting PGs who don't fit the criteria:

Rondo (also cant shoot)
Rose (also cant shoot, also cant walk)
Parker (too old to do things)
MCW (also cant shoot)
Calderon, Sloan, Neto (just terrible)


You said that there are DOZENS of PG's in the NBA who have ~80% of Rubio's playmaking ability and can shoot. I'm asking you to name even 10 PG's who fit that criteria... let alone 'dozens.'

Kyrie, Steph, CP3, John Wall, Lowry, Tony Parker, Kemba, Damian, Westbrook.. that's 9 who are objectively better than Rubio in every way. You can't tell me that there are more than a dozen ADDITIONAL PG's who are good shooters + 80% of Rubio's playmaking. That's insane.

Jeremy Lin, Brandon Knight, Isaiah Thomas, Goran Dragic, Eric Bledsoe, Dwayne Wade (when he plays point), Jeff Teague, Reggie Jackson have at least 80% of Rubio's playmaking and they can shoot as well.

D'Angelo Russell, Elfrid Payton and Emmanuel Mudiay, while not being better than Rubio today, they will be significantly better than Rubio starting from 2017-2018 season.

Giannis Antetokounmpo is objectively better than Rubio in every aspect of this game other than shooting, and while Greek Freak can't shoot, he can still score. Even as a PG, Antetokounmpo is better than Rubio.

There are a dozen additional guys for you.


lol.... those guys aren't 80% of Rubio's playmaking, nor can all of them shoot significantly better than Rubio.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 04 2016 20:52 GMT
#447
Your opinion of Rubio is really quite high. I watched quite a bit of Twolves last year and I would not describe him as anything more than "above average" at all those skills.
Freeeeeeedom
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-05 02:23:00
August 05 2016 02:21 GMT
#448
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
August 06 2016 05:08 GMT
#449
On August 05 2016 05:52 cLutZ wrote:
Your opinion of Rubio is really quite high. I watched quite a bit of Twolves last year and I would not describe him as anything more than "above average" at all those skills.


i guess i can't change your opinion ;dd
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-08 07:10:46
August 08 2016 07:08 GMT
#450
Shitty hypothetical time: Assuming you could duplicate players, how close would the Warriors play this Team USA (or any of them, including the original Dream Team)?

Basically, does sheer athleticism/skill overwhelm execution and chemistry? Team USA is running a pretty bland offense and the defense looks simplistic too. Do they beat an NBA team, which can manufacture open shots and cover these PnRs pretty well? Obviously Team USA depth runs over their bench, but can the Warriors' 1st unit stay ahead? Plus the Warriors will have much more effective/tactical coaching.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-08 09:22:26
August 08 2016 09:20 GMT
#451
I think the 1st unit outperforms current Team USA, but the bench definitely can't keep up individually.

Also depends if they're playing with FIBA's 3pt line or the NBA one . I still say Team USA wins, they really seem good in defense.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-10 23:06:46
August 10 2016 23:04 GMT
#452
So about the importance of teamwork...

I think we'd be better with Boogie and DJ on the bench. They're getting worked by Australia's much smarter bigs. Just play something like Draymond/PG/Klay/Anthony/Kyrie.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 12 2016 00:32 GMT
#453
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17707 Posts
August 12 2016 02:23 GMT
#454
looks like lebron finally cashed in. good for cleveland and good for ohio.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 12 2016 13:34 GMT
#455
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
August 12 2016 15:05 GMT
#456
Glad that they're not breaking up Richard Jefferson's supporting cast.

On August 11 2016 08:04 Jibba wrote:
So about the importance of teamwork...

I think we'd be better with Boogie and DJ on the bench. They're getting worked by Australia's much smarter bigs. Just play something like Draymond/PG/Klay/Anthony/Kyrie.


I think Boogie's game translates to the international game better than DJ's. He's having issues adjusting to the officials, however. There doesn't seem to be many centers here that can score that well. Draymond and maybe even Carmelo can play center for team USA. The rest of the team is tall and athletic enough to compete for rebounds.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17707 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-12 15:32:59
August 12 2016 15:12 GMT
#457
i guess there are a bunch of NBA GMs praying for no injuries or kidnappings in the current tourney in Rio

On August 12 2016 22:34 JimmiC wrote:
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On August 12 2016 11:23 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
looks like lebron finally cashed in. good for cleveland and good for ohio.

With a paltry net worth of 500 million and earning 50+ million per in endorsements and 20 some mill in salary. It's nice that with this contract he can finally feed his family...

let me clarify my vague, open ended, 1-liner comment that you probably read the wrong way. he is finally going to be the highest paid player in the NBA with a deal longer than most expected.

its great to have someone go through my posts with a fine tooth comb though. i need an audience.

On August 13 2016 00:05 andrewlt wrote:
Glad that they're not breaking up Richard Jefferson's supporting cast.

good point, as you know i projected RJ to play 42 minutes a game this year and most experts agree with me.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 12 2016 16:08 GMT
#458
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17707 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-12 16:55:57
August 12 2016 16:50 GMT
#459
On August 13 2016 01:08 JimmiC wrote:
It does not take a fine tooth comb your posts radiate stupidity.

nah, i know more about the Raptors than most posters in this thread. i talk about the raptors more than any other team. i'm here to discuss the NBA though. if you want to engage in a personal discussion you should PM me and not put it in here.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 12 2016 17:11 GMT
#460
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