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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
July 24 2016 00:55 GMT
#421
"I mean, with these teams right now, they're saying us and Golden State are the super teams, and they're trying not to build that many super teams, and Adam Silver came out with the statement and this and that."

It seems Rose's injury history now includes brain damage.
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zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 04:21:46
July 26 2016 04:21 GMT
#422
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/the-inside-story-how-the-orlando-magic-let-the-lakers-steal-shaquille-oneal/

cool read
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
July 26 2016 12:46 GMT
#423
On July 23 2016 20:37 Ace wrote:
Rubio is their 2nd best player behind Towns

When did T-Wolves trade Wiggins?

On July 23 2016 20:37 Ace wrote:
and they can't run offense w/o him yet.

Not anymore, they have Tyus Jones and Kris Dunn now. They can run offense over those dudes.

On July 23 2016 20:37 Ace wrote:
Trading him would be insane if you aren't getting a potential stud back (Noel is a stud though.)

Trading Rubio is among the least insane things that wolves can do now and they can get so much out of Rubio trade that they can instantly become a very big name for 2018 championship. It's just "should they trade Rubio now or later" for T-Wolves.
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
July 26 2016 13:16 GMT
#424
You are severely underestimating Rubio. He's a 5th year pro (in the NBA) at the age of 25 who's elite in every aspect aside from shooting.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 26 2016 13:22 GMT
#425
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
July 26 2016 14:14 GMT
#426
Unsurprisingly, Ace is correct on every point you quoted
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
July 26 2016 16:56 GMT
#427
We have NO idea if Tyus Jones or Kris Dunn can run a team, and even if they can, they're unlikely to be better than Rubio. He's a fucking gifted playmaker, and the twolves already have towns, wiggins, and Levine. Rubio probably makes those guys 10-20% better just because he can organize the offense
Plus he's a very solid defender. It'd be dumb to trade him before finding out if Kris Dunn is gonna be an all star caliber pg unless they can get some comparable immediate impact in return.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 26 2016 20:05 GMT
#428
I don't find Rubio that valuable. Spacing is basically the most important thing a PG brings to a team ATM. You aren't an elite team unless you have a non-PG ballhandler in addition to a competent PG, which I don't see Kris Dunn being anything less than competent, on the level of a Chalmers. Thats his floor.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 26 2016 22:44 GMT
#429
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Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
July 27 2016 06:14 GMT
#430
On July 27 2016 05:05 cLutZ wrote:
I don't find Rubio that valuable. Spacing is basically the most important thing a PG brings to a team ATM.

This is exactly why T-Wolves should trade Rubio. While he's good, he's not the type of guy you would like to have in today's basketball. That's why Kemba Walker was a liability for Hornets 2 seasons ago and a big asset last season. He learned how to shoot the basketball.
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
July 27 2016 16:45 GMT
#431
Isn't that more of why they should not trade Rubio? Plenty of players learn how to shoot in the NBA. Learning to do some of the things Rubio does well is more difficult.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 27 2016 16:53 GMT
#432
He's been in the league a while , and pro play longer. He doesn't seem to be improving much.

Also, its incredibly easy to overrate those skills for PGs. There are dozens in the league that do those things at 80% Rubios level, and shoot.
Freeeeeeedom
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
July 27 2016 18:36 GMT
#433
On July 28 2016 01:53 cLutZ wrote:
He's been in the league a while , and pro play longer. He doesn't seem to be improving much.

Also, its incredibly easy to overrate those skills for PGs. There are dozens in the league that do those things at 80% Rubios level, and shoot.


Dozens? Name 10.
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zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
July 27 2016 19:30 GMT
#434
i mean naming 10 pgs better than rubio probably isnt hard, but the point is that the twolves arent going to get any of those PGs. rubio is probably their best option
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 27 2016 20:59 GMT
#435
On July 28 2016 03:36 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 01:53 cLutZ wrote:
He's been in the league a while , and pro play longer. He doesn't seem to be improving much.

Also, its incredibly easy to overrate those skills for PGs. There are dozens in the league that do those things at 80% Rubios level, and shoot.


Dozens? Name 10.


It would be easier to name the starting PGs who don't fit the criteria:

Rondo (also cant shoot)
Rose (also cant shoot, also cant walk)
Parker (too old to do things)
MCW (also cant shoot)
Calderon, Sloan, Neto (just terrible)
Freeeeeeedom
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
July 28 2016 07:28 GMT
#436
On July 28 2016 05:59 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 03:36 Xeris wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:53 cLutZ wrote:
He's been in the league a while , and pro play longer. He doesn't seem to be improving much.

Also, its incredibly easy to overrate those skills for PGs. There are dozens in the league that do those things at 80% Rubios level, and shoot.


Dozens? Name 10.


It would be easier to name the starting PGs who don't fit the criteria:

Rondo (also cant shoot)
Rose (also cant shoot, also cant walk)
Parker (too old to do things)
MCW (also cant shoot)
Calderon, Sloan, Neto (just terrible)


You said that there are DOZENS of PG's in the NBA who have ~80% of Rubio's playmaking ability and can shoot. I'm asking you to name even 10 PG's who fit that criteria... let alone 'dozens.'

Kyrie, Steph, CP3, John Wall, Lowry, Tony Parker, Kemba, Damian, Westbrook.. that's 9 who are objectively better than Rubio in every way. You can't tell me that there are more than a dozen ADDITIONAL PG's who are good shooters + 80% of Rubio's playmaking. That's insane.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 28 2016 07:34 GMT
#437
I literally said everyone I didn't name that is a starting PG. Also some backups. Also there are rookies/sophmores that are likely to fit the criteria.

Not that Rubio is a bad player, its just that hes not particularly valuable. If you traded him now a fair trade would be for next years 15th overall pick.
Freeeeeeedom
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
July 28 2016 08:01 GMT
#438
You also have to consider his excellent defense
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 28 2016 13:17 GMT
#439
On July 27 2016 05:05 cLutZ wrote:
I don't find Rubio that valuable. Spacing is basically the most important thing a PG brings to a team ATM. You aren't an elite team unless you have a non-PG ballhandler in addition to a competent PG, which I don't see Kris Dunn being anything less than competent, on the level of a Chalmers. Thats his floor.


This is false but I'll jibe with this line of thinking. If spacing is what you need from the primary ball handler - then wouldn't it be smarter to trade Wiggins? He can't make plays for others (yet), doesn't "space the floor", and his only above average quality is generating Free Throws. Wiggins doesn't space the floor either but he's not even helping in other areas.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 28 2016 16:45 GMT
#440
Primary ball handler != Point Guard in this context. It simply means small guy who has trouble guarding more than 1 or 2 positions . The theory if Wiggins is that he has the potential to guard 4 positions and on offense post up smalls/take bigs off the dribble. If he doesn't develop a shot, that makes shooting from your 2 guards all the more important.
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