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On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote:
I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother.

Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion.

Form
Spreadsheet

If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20327 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-22 23:50:59
April 22 2017 23:21 GMT
#6061
You should either prio blade dance w/ first blood talented or talent chaos cleave and not use it at all ST, middle ground is bad

5 min ST sim w/ head+aothg for 331 and belt+aothg for 221/222

[image loading]
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3822 Posts
April 22 2017 23:37 GMT
#6062
I didnt have AotHG until last week (was my 10th lego, lucky me) so there was benefit in having FB because fury droughts were not uncommon and BD is obviously very fury efficient damage, but yes, now that I have the ring, there's no point in running FB at all.
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3822 Posts
April 23 2017 00:08 GMT
#6063
On April 23 2017 08:21 Cyro wrote:
You should either prio blade dance w/ first blood talented or talent chaos cleave and not use it at all ST, middle ground is bad

5 min ST sim w/ head+aothg for 331 and belt+aothg for 221/222

[image loading]

I'm betting 223 with moarg will fare better in the longer sims too.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20327 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-23 00:21:35
April 23 2017 00:14 GMT
#6064
Mo'arg+bloodlet comes in for cleave (particularly with demon blades) but that's pretty complicated to sim and compare specs for
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3822 Posts
April 23 2017 00:59 GMT
#6065
On April 23 2017 09:08 Brett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2017 08:21 Cyro wrote:
You should either prio blade dance w/ first blood talented or talent chaos cleave and not use it at all ST, middle ground is bad

5 min ST sim w/ head+aothg for 331 and belt+aothg for 221/222

[image loading]

I'm betting 223 with moarg will fare better in the longer sims too.

Yeah, or not. Not simming better or showing better results in game. RIP.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
April 23 2017 01:18 GMT
#6066
On April 23 2017 08:19 Cyro wrote:
[image loading]

That's how I thought it worked. Have they changed the rules since release or am I just misremembering how it has worked since the start?
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20327 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-23 01:35:04
April 23 2017 01:34 GMT
#6067
On April 23 2017 10:18 NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2017 08:19 Cyro wrote:
[image loading]

That's how I thought it worked. Have they changed the rules since release or am I just misremembering how it has worked since the start?


It's based on the max level that you completed, doesn't matter if it's your key or not. IIRC it's always been that way
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-23 01:49:59
April 23 2017 01:46 GMT
#6068
On April 23 2017 10:34 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2017 10:18 NonY wrote:
On April 23 2017 08:19 Cyro wrote:
[image loading]

That's how I thought it worked. Have they changed the rules since release or am I just misremembering how it has worked since the start?


It's based on the max level that you completed, doesn't matter if it's your key or not. IIRC it's always been that way

So the people reporting that it's not working that way are just making it up? I still don't understand.

edit: Looking at the reddit thread, there are other people reporting the same thing as this guy writing a ticket to the GM. They're all lying? No one in that thread comes up with an explanation either. They give counterexamples to the GM's explanation, but there are counterexamples to their own explanation... doesn't seem like anyone knows how the system actually works.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
April 23 2017 02:15 GMT
#6069
I dont remember the last time i ran my own key on any of my alts because i run exactly one max level key for the weekly chest on them and they get a lower key every week but its not level 2. Reddit is full of bullshitters.
You get the highest you ran the week in time -4 or something, doesnt matter if the key was yours or not.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20327 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-23 02:19:02
April 23 2017 02:15 GMT
#6070
It's been based on the level of the max key that you completed, your own key level has been irrelevant for a very long time if not forever

The thread is about either a bug or an unannounced change and some other people are discussing that. Sort by top, all of the top answers are saying that too: https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/66xouz/completed_a_mythic_12_last_week_and_got_a_mythic/?sort=top
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
April 23 2017 02:26 GMT
#6071
On April 23 2017 11:15 Cyro wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/66xouz/completed_a_mythic_12_last_week_and_got_a_mythic/?sort=top

Top two comments are just contradicting the GM, not explaining how someone could get a +2 after completing a +12. 3rd one is providing yet another new piece of evidence (depleted key from chest).

Guess I'm just out of touch but it seems absurd that they'd submit a bogus ticket to fish for a poor explanation from a GM just to ridicule him. I mean yeah if you get someone to believe something false, then their explanation of reality is going to be incorrect.

If that's not what they're doing then I'd think they'd be quoting designers about how the system is supposed to work (to demonstrate that this is a bug).
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
April 23 2017 03:05 GMT
#6072
GMs are just glorified customer service, not devs. They don't know how all the mechanics work, so the GM mentioned in the OP there was wrong.

The +2 key and the depleted key are probably just bugs
rip
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20327 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-23 05:06:26
April 23 2017 04:43 GMT
#6073
Top two comments are just contradicting the GM


All of the top comments are contradicting the GM because the GM is wrong

There have been occasional bugs (people getting depleted keys etc) but very rare and usually fixed quickly

----

Guess I'm just out of touch but it seems absurd that they'd submit a bogus ticket to fish for a poor explanation from a GM just to ridicule him


It's not a bogus ticket or fishing for a poor explanation if there is actually an issue with the game. It looks like either a bug or an undocumented change but it's definitely not what the GM said as the system has not worked that way, it's been based on the level of the key that you completed for as long as i can remember
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
April 23 2017 09:37 GMT
#6074
[image loading] pinpoint accuracy.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-23 09:41:55
April 23 2017 09:40 GMT
#6075
My grp finished a 20 last week, we all got a 16 key in the box. Have a 2122 already so that should turn into a 1718 unless we manage to push something higher.
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
April 23 2017 13:17 GMT
#6076
On April 23 2017 18:37 Warri wrote:
[image loading] pinpoint accuracy.


that image is why seeing people who don't flask/pot in high m+ physically hurts

every little bit counts guys
ffxiv enjoyer
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
April 23 2017 13:44 GMT
#6077
On April 23 2017 13:43 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
Top two comments are just contradicting the GM


All of the top comments are contradicting the GM because the GM is wrong

There have been occasional bugs (people getting depleted keys etc) but very rare and usually fixed quickly

----

Show nested quote +
Guess I'm just out of touch but it seems absurd that they'd submit a bogus ticket to fish for a poor explanation from a GM just to ridicule him


It's not a bogus ticket or fishing for a poor explanation if there is actually an issue with the game. It looks like either a bug or an undocumented change but it's definitely not what the GM said as the system has not worked that way, it's been based on the level of the key that you completed for as long as i can remember

If it's buggy then no one knows how it works. And if there's no quote from a dev saying how it's supposed to work, then no one knows how it's supposed to work. That's all I'm saying. I just couldn't get over the absurdity of so many people asserting an explanation that is being directly contradicted by multiple people giving evidence.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22369 Posts
April 23 2017 13:52 GMT
#6078
On April 23 2017 22:44 NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2017 13:43 Cyro wrote:
Top two comments are just contradicting the GM


All of the top comments are contradicting the GM because the GM is wrong

There have been occasional bugs (people getting depleted keys etc) but very rare and usually fixed quickly

----

Guess I'm just out of touch but it seems absurd that they'd submit a bogus ticket to fish for a poor explanation from a GM just to ridicule him


It's not a bogus ticket or fishing for a poor explanation if there is actually an issue with the game. It looks like either a bug or an undocumented change but it's definitely not what the GM said as the system has not worked that way, it's been based on the level of the key that you completed for as long as i can remember

If it's buggy then no one knows how it works. And if there's no quote from a dev saying how it's supposed to work, then no one knows how it's supposed to work. That's all I'm saying. I just couldn't get over the absurdity of so many people asserting an explanation that is being directly contradicted by multiple people giving evidence.

We know how it works because 99% of people experience the same thing since the start of the expansion. Highest key from the past week, no matter who it belonged to and so long as you completed it, even if out of time.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20327 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-23 13:54:53
April 23 2017 13:53 GMT
#6079
And if there's no quote from a dev saying how it's supposed to work, then no one knows how it's supposed to work. That's all I'm saying. I just couldn't get over the absurdity of so many people asserting an explanation that is being directly contradicted by multiple people giving evidence.


Because the evidence is from the 1% of the time where it didn't work as it did the other 99% for everyone else

I'm pretty sure that it's that way on purpose and that devs have talked about it before
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
April 23 2017 15:58 GMT
#6080
Then someone could just post that. Show the evidence that's been gathered demonstrating that it works a certain way whatever percentage of the time, that there are exceptions whatever other percentage of the time. But no one posted that evidence. And what people literally said is false. If they said one thing and meant something else that makes sense only when you know of data that they haven't actually collected/analyzed, then I don't think it's weird for anyone to think the way they behave is weird. When people are so sloppy themselves while ridiculing someone else, I find it pretty fucked up. Either prove that the system works and all the other evidence is bullshit or prove that it's a bug or shut the fuck up before you make fun of some other explanation.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
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