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On March 10 2017 05:43 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 05:38 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 05:04 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 04:10 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 04:02 Cyro wrote:Well, i am asking what do you need gold for ingame, which is absolutely nothing. Consumables cost a lot (40k a week standard i guess for flasks, food and a ton of prolonged power) so dumping all of those bloods into gold keeps my wallet even and has not made me a millionaire again Well, i craft my consumables with my bloods, so they cost me zero, since i get the bloods just by playing the game. This sentence triggers me. I hear that so often and it makes just no sense. It costs you the mats, and the mats are worth gold. So it costs you just the same as anyone else. Yes, but it only triggers you because you read what you want to read. I obviously know about its opportunity cost . It is not opportunity cost, it is real cost. It costs mats. Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 05:38 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 05:04 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 04:10 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 04:02 Cyro wrote:Well, i am asking what do you need gold for ingame, which is absolutely nothing. Consumables cost a lot (40k a week standard i guess for flasks, food and a ton of prolonged power) so dumping all of those bloods into gold keeps my wallet even and has not made me a millionaire again Well, i craft my consumables with my bloods, so they cost me zero, since i get the bloods just by playing the game. This sentence triggers me. I hear that so often and it makes just no sense. It costs you the mats, and the mats are worth gold. So it costs you just the same as anyone else. The only resource important to me in game is time. Everything you do requires time, not gold. I get bloods withouth the need to invest specifically time into it, since they magically pop from content i am doing anyways. Hence, why i call them free. Sure you can see it like that. But by the same logic the gold you earn that way is also free. I never do any specific farming and collect stuff along the way. That got me enough "free" gold to pay my WoW sub. Hence the WoW subscription is also free.
Not really. The concept ends when you arrive at a form of currency that is a common denominator of the environemt. ergo/ Gold, its not my logic. Its what Oppurtunity Cost is.
But sure if you want to nitpick.
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On March 10 2017 05:48 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 05:43 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 05:38 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 05:04 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 04:10 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 04:02 Cyro wrote:Well, i am asking what do you need gold for ingame, which is absolutely nothing. Consumables cost a lot (40k a week standard i guess for flasks, food and a ton of prolonged power) so dumping all of those bloods into gold keeps my wallet even and has not made me a millionaire again Well, i craft my consumables with my bloods, so they cost me zero, since i get the bloods just by playing the game. This sentence triggers me. I hear that so often and it makes just no sense. It costs you the mats, and the mats are worth gold. So it costs you just the same as anyone else. Yes, but it only triggers you because you read what you want to read. I obviously know about its opportunity cost . It is not opportunity cost, it is real cost. It costs mats. On March 10 2017 05:38 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 05:04 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 04:10 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 04:02 Cyro wrote:Well, i am asking what do you need gold for ingame, which is absolutely nothing. Consumables cost a lot (40k a week standard i guess for flasks, food and a ton of prolonged power) so dumping all of those bloods into gold keeps my wallet even and has not made me a millionaire again Well, i craft my consumables with my bloods, so they cost me zero, since i get the bloods just by playing the game. This sentence triggers me. I hear that so often and it makes just no sense. It costs you the mats, and the mats are worth gold. So it costs you just the same as anyone else. The only resource important to me in game is time. Everything you do requires time, not gold. I get bloods withouth the need to invest specifically time into it, since they magically pop from content i am doing anyways. Hence, why i call them free. Sure you can see it like that. But by the same logic the gold you earn that way is also free. I never do any specific farming and collect stuff along the way. That got me enough "free" gold to pay my WoW sub. Hence the WoW subscription is also free. Not really. The concept ends when you arrive at a form of currency that is a common denominator of the environemt. ergo/ Gold, its not my logic. Its what Oppurtunity Cost is. But sure if you want to nitpick.
Mats and gold are so easily and quickly interchangeable that it makes no difference in reality. To me, making a difference between those 2 things because of the minute it takes to exchange them for one another seems nitpicky.
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On March 10 2017 05:58 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 05:48 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 05:43 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 05:38 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 05:04 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 04:10 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 04:02 Cyro wrote:Well, i am asking what do you need gold for ingame, which is absolutely nothing. Consumables cost a lot (40k a week standard i guess for flasks, food and a ton of prolonged power) so dumping all of those bloods into gold keeps my wallet even and has not made me a millionaire again Well, i craft my consumables with my bloods, so they cost me zero, since i get the bloods just by playing the game. This sentence triggers me. I hear that so often and it makes just no sense. It costs you the mats, and the mats are worth gold. So it costs you just the same as anyone else. Yes, but it only triggers you because you read what you want to read. I obviously know about its opportunity cost . It is not opportunity cost, it is real cost. It costs mats. On March 10 2017 05:38 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 05:04 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 04:10 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 04:02 Cyro wrote:Well, i am asking what do you need gold for ingame, which is absolutely nothing. Consumables cost a lot (40k a week standard i guess for flasks, food and a ton of prolonged power) so dumping all of those bloods into gold keeps my wallet even and has not made me a millionaire again Well, i craft my consumables with my bloods, so they cost me zero, since i get the bloods just by playing the game. This sentence triggers me. I hear that so often and it makes just no sense. It costs you the mats, and the mats are worth gold. So it costs you just the same as anyone else. The only resource important to me in game is time. Everything you do requires time, not gold. I get bloods withouth the need to invest specifically time into it, since they magically pop from content i am doing anyways. Hence, why i call them free. Sure you can see it like that. But by the same logic the gold you earn that way is also free. I never do any specific farming and collect stuff along the way. That got me enough "free" gold to pay my WoW sub. Hence the WoW subscription is also free. Not really. The concept ends when you arrive at a form of currency that is a common denominator of the environemt. ergo/ Gold, its not my logic. Its what Oppurtunity Cost is. But sure if you want to nitpick. Mats and gold are so easily and quickly interchangeable that it makes no difference in reality. To me, making a difference between those 2 things because of the minute it takes to exchange them for one another seems nitpicky.
One is a common currency the other is not that is the bottom line. You cant buy stuff from the AH using dreamleaf .Whether it take a minute or an hour to exchange it for gold is irrelevant. Also the value of mats is variable. The value of Gold is not 1 gold is 1 gold always that is why it is a common currency. The distinction "in reality" is very real and being easily convertible doesnt change that.
Again this is going in a very wrong direction. Because you are arguing parts of the argument that are supplementary.
You said it was real cost. Its not real cost unless there is gold leaving his bags. But lets ignore that assumption.
Even if you choose to define it another way thats fine, but that doesnt make him wrong which is why i said your point that it is real cost is irrelevant.
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On March 10 2017 05:41 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 04:10 Godwrath wrote:
@Rebs, if you don't have the time, neither you do for doing for farming resources. I was just saying you the most efficient way to farm resources for the most part timewise, not that you need to DO all the content. And also, the enchant is always worth it, for everything. I think you are extremely confused about the enchant point. I said trading your bloods and the other resources you can gain from them verses the OR you get is a net negative in all situations. Im not sure how you gathered that was me suggesting that the enchant was not worth it. The enchant is the only way with the limited content I do outside of raids to get easy bloods. But not for OR. Please read full sentences or atleast try. Even if you arent hurting for those other resources. But thats besides the point. Doing targeted WQs is not even close to doing content in terms of time. When you are doing content you are spending time. These arent exclusive things. Your conflating time you already spend ingame with time doing things you dont want to do. Time is time regardless of what you do without. And purely in those terms in the vaccum of someone who is low geared and doesnt have an oppurtunity to do the same content you can do in a guild. WQ's are the most efficient way to do it.
Yes, that's correct. I thought you were saying the enchant was not worth it, rather than just being critical of using the bloods as resources. But you are saying they are not worth for OR. They are if that's what you want to obtain, i mean, that's kinda subjective and to me it looks like you guys are puting an extra importance on gold, which it doesn't really have if you don't want to. You are not going to pay the mortgage with it.
A casual won't need the bloods for mats because he doesn't raid or does not extensively. And a casual won't need gold outside of the one you get by playing the game. So if you really need the resources bloods are completely a legit source. Would it be better to use them for mats ? Well, if you are not going to use the mats or the gold in the first place, what good is it for.
Sure, you can go full resources WQ, but that takes a lot of time, average WQ is around 450, using the bloods you acquire in the way would drastically speed it, because at the end of the day, if you have limited time, you want to be playing the game and not doing chores, and that's why i suggest mythic0, which are hardly 15-30 minutes for the average low ilvl group, you get 600-1k resources per run atleast if you spend the bloods, AP, and TF/legendary chance... while also doing something you might have fun with.
And yes, i know i am using time for either content... What i am saying is that we are playing a game, the time you invest into things you don't want to do or have fun with is time in game wasted, hence not "free". I attempt to minimize that as much as i can possibly do (hard on a mmorpg, but legion has been very friendly in that regard for me, since i enjoy mythic+, and the blood system works perfectly fine to sustain myself withouth investing time into non enjoyable content).
There is also some juicy drama about preparation for world first inbetween.
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On March 10 2017 06:22 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 05:41 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 04:10 Godwrath wrote:
@Rebs, if you don't have the time, neither you do for doing for farming resources. I was just saying you the most efficient way to farm resources for the most part timewise, not that you need to DO all the content. And also, the enchant is always worth it, for everything. I think you are extremely confused about the enchant point. I said trading your bloods and the other resources you can gain from them verses the OR you get is a net negative in all situations. Im not sure how you gathered that was me suggesting that the enchant was not worth it. The enchant is the only way with the limited content I do outside of raids to get easy bloods. But not for OR. Please read full sentences or atleast try. Even if you arent hurting for those other resources. But thats besides the point. Doing targeted WQs is not even close to doing content in terms of time. When you are doing content you are spending time. These arent exclusive things. Your conflating time you already spend ingame with time doing things you dont want to do. Time is time regardless of what you do without. And purely in those terms in the vaccum of someone who is low geared and doesnt have an oppurtunity to do the same content you can do in a guild. WQ's are the most efficient way to do it. A casual won't need the bloods for mats because he doesn't raid or does not extensively. And a casual won't need gold outside of the one you get by playing the game. So if you really need the resources bloods are completely a legit source. Would it be better to use them for mats ? Well, if you are not going to use the mats or the gold in the first place, what good is it for. Sure, you can go full resources WQ, but that takes a lot of time, average WQ is around 450, using the bloods you acquire in the way would drastically speed it, because at the end of the day, if you have limited time, you want to be playing the game and not doing chores, and that's why i suggest mythic0, which are hardly 15-30 minutes for the average low ilvl group, you get 600-1k resources per run atleast if you spend the bloods, AP, and TF/legendary chance... while also doing something you might have fun with.
You are still missing the point about his situation. Firstly casuals always need gold. Especially ones new to the game. If you already have a healthy bank, good for you. But look at his initial posts on his personal situation.
Getting mythic groups is hard for him (therefore waiting around to get into them is a waste of time) same for raids. I dont do WQ's either because everything I need I get. But efficiency varies for everyones situation. And for his situation it is a net negative to spend OR on bloods, even though he needs his second leggo slot.
For you, the level you are at. Do you even need Order resources ? I sincerely doubt it. Its a dead currency for most people who have done anything more than a 100 +5's because at the point you probably already have everything you need.
But that doesnt apply to him. I am not overvaluing gold. I am valuing what would be most efficient in a scenario with scarcity of resource.
let me put it this way, when you were a fresh 110 with low gear were you trading bloods for OR then ? Infact dont answer me. Answer yourself honestly. Thats all I will say.
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I don't need resources, but that's beside the point. Neither i need gold. And then again, when you are starting, what do you need the gold for ? Maybe i am being extremely obtuse, but i just don't see the excessive costs on enchants/gems to justify spending time to farm resources when you could be doing appropiate content for you, and getting them along the way. Obviously, he wouldn't have the enchant since its for revered, so yes, he will have to farm WQ anyway for the most part, you are correct.
And getting a mythic group is not hard. If you are low on ilvl, you start the group. As long as you are doing an appropiate group to boost you if needed, people don't ussually mind it. That's what i had done with all my alts. Same for raids, even tho i wouldn't recommend it if you don't know what you are doing.
I didn't because i could not... when i was 110 the blood vendor wasn't there, there was no purpose for them outside of crafting. But i had used it for alters to guarantee they don't miss time on class hall upgrades. Getting the second legendary slot is the most important thing you can spend resources into as a fresh 110, specially post 7.1.5 since the first 2 legendaries come really, really fast now (BLP doesn't reset, so once you get the first, the second is also about to come).
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On March 10 2017 07:04 Godwrath wrote:
I don't need resources, but that's beside the point. Neither i need gold. And then again, when you are starting, what do you need the gold for ? Maybe i am being extremely obtuse, but i just don't see the excessive costs on enchants/gems to justify spending time to farm resources when you could be doing appropiate content for you, and getting them along the way. Obviously, he wouldn't have the enchant since its for revered, so yes, he will have to farm WQ anyway for the most part, you are correct.
And getting a mythic group is not hard. If you are low on ilvl, you start the group. As long as you are doing an appropiate group to boost you if needed, people don't ussually mind it. That's what i had done with all my alts. Same for raids, even tho i wouldn't recommend it if you don't know what you are doing.
I didn't because i could not... when i was 110 the blood vendor wasn't there, there was no purpose for them outside of crafting. But i had used it for alters to guarantee they don't miss time on class hall upgrades. Getting the second legendary slot is the most important thing you can spend resources into as a fresh 110, specially post 7.1.5 since the first 2 legendaries come really, really fast now (BLP doesn't reset, so once you get the first, the second is also about to come).
You have a point about the second leggo. But I sincerely doubt that had the blood vendor been there you would have had the bloods to spare on it. Again this is something you would have to be honest to yourself about. I dont care either way.
Again a fresh 110 or heck even an 850 110, when it is your only 110 is not going to be able to spread himself enough to survive easily if they are spending bloods on what is the worst return as far as pure value is concerned. Great have I 2 leggos .. but not gold money to repair. Feelsbadman.
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On March 10 2017 06:11 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 05:58 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 05:48 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 05:43 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 05:38 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 05:04 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 04:10 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 04:02 Cyro wrote:Well, i am asking what do you need gold for ingame, which is absolutely nothing. Consumables cost a lot (40k a week standard i guess for flasks, food and a ton of prolonged power) so dumping all of those bloods into gold keeps my wallet even and has not made me a millionaire again Well, i craft my consumables with my bloods, so they cost me zero, since i get the bloods just by playing the game. This sentence triggers me. I hear that so often and it makes just no sense. It costs you the mats, and the mats are worth gold. So it costs you just the same as anyone else. Yes, but it only triggers you because you read what you want to read. I obviously know about its opportunity cost . It is not opportunity cost, it is real cost. It costs mats. On March 10 2017 05:38 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 05:04 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 04:10 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 04:02 Cyro wrote:Well, i am asking what do you need gold for ingame, which is absolutely nothing. Consumables cost a lot (40k a week standard i guess for flasks, food and a ton of prolonged power) so dumping all of those bloods into gold keeps my wallet even and has not made me a millionaire again Well, i craft my consumables with my bloods, so they cost me zero, since i get the bloods just by playing the game. This sentence triggers me. I hear that so often and it makes just no sense. It costs you the mats, and the mats are worth gold. So it costs you just the same as anyone else. The only resource important to me in game is time. Everything you do requires time, not gold. I get bloods withouth the need to invest specifically time into it, since they magically pop from content i am doing anyways. Hence, why i call them free. Sure you can see it like that. But by the same logic the gold you earn that way is also free. I never do any specific farming and collect stuff along the way. That got me enough "free" gold to pay my WoW sub. Hence the WoW subscription is also free. Not really. The concept ends when you arrive at a form of currency that is a common denominator of the environemt. ergo/ Gold, its not my logic. Its what Oppurtunity Cost is. But sure if you want to nitpick. Mats and gold are so easily and quickly interchangeable that it makes no difference in reality. To me, making a difference between those 2 things because of the minute it takes to exchange them for one another seems nitpicky. One is a common currency the other is not that is the bottom line. You cant buy stuff from the AH using dreamleaf .Whether it take a minute or an hour to exchange it for gold is irrelevant. Also the value of mats is variable. The value of Gold is not 1 gold is 1 gold always that is why it is a common currency. The distinction "in reality" is very real and being easily convertible doesnt change that. Again this is going in a very wrong direction. Because you are arguing parts of the argument that are supplementary. You said it was real cost. Its not real cost unless there is gold leaving his bags. But lets ignore that assumption. Even if you choose to define it another way thats fine, but that doesnt make him wrong which is why i said your point that it is real cost is irrelevant.
Paying in non-currency items is not simply opportunity cost, that is real value. That is definitely not my own definition.
Just like the value of a fortune does not only consist of available currency.
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On March 10 2017 07:14 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 06:11 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 05:58 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 05:48 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 05:43 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 05:38 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 05:04 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 04:10 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 04:02 Cyro wrote:Well, i am asking what do you need gold for ingame, which is absolutely nothing. Consumables cost a lot (40k a week standard i guess for flasks, food and a ton of prolonged power) so dumping all of those bloods into gold keeps my wallet even and has not made me a millionaire again Well, i craft my consumables with my bloods, so they cost me zero, since i get the bloods just by playing the game. This sentence triggers me. I hear that so often and it makes just no sense. It costs you the mats, and the mats are worth gold. So it costs you just the same as anyone else. Yes, but it only triggers you because you read what you want to read. I obviously know about its opportunity cost . It is not opportunity cost, it is real cost. It costs mats. On March 10 2017 05:38 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 05:04 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 04:10 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 04:02 Cyro wrote:Well, i am asking what do you need gold for ingame, which is absolutely nothing. Consumables cost a lot (40k a week standard i guess for flasks, food and a ton of prolonged power) so dumping all of those bloods into gold keeps my wallet even and has not made me a millionaire again Well, i craft my consumables with my bloods, so they cost me zero, since i get the bloods just by playing the game. This sentence triggers me. I hear that so often and it makes just no sense. It costs you the mats, and the mats are worth gold. So it costs you just the same as anyone else. The only resource important to me in game is time. Everything you do requires time, not gold. I get bloods withouth the need to invest specifically time into it, since they magically pop from content i am doing anyways. Hence, why i call them free. Sure you can see it like that. But by the same logic the gold you earn that way is also free. I never do any specific farming and collect stuff along the way. That got me enough "free" gold to pay my WoW sub. Hence the WoW subscription is also free. Not really. The concept ends when you arrive at a form of currency that is a common denominator of the environemt. ergo/ Gold, its not my logic. Its what Oppurtunity Cost is. But sure if you want to nitpick. Mats and gold are so easily and quickly interchangeable that it makes no difference in reality. To me, making a difference between those 2 things because of the minute it takes to exchange them for one another seems nitpicky. One is a common currency the other is not that is the bottom line. You cant buy stuff from the AH using dreamleaf .Whether it take a minute or an hour to exchange it for gold is irrelevant. Also the value of mats is variable. The value of Gold is not 1 gold is 1 gold always that is why it is a common currency. The distinction "in reality" is very real and being easily convertible doesnt change that. Again this is going in a very wrong direction. Because you are arguing parts of the argument that are supplementary. You said it was real cost. Its not real cost unless there is gold leaving his bags. But lets ignore that assumption. Even if you choose to define it another way thats fine, but that doesnt make him wrong which is why i said your point that it is real cost is irrelevant. Paying in non-currency items is not simply opportunity cost, that is real value. That is definitely not my own definition.
Using any resource that could have been used another way is where the concept of oppurtunity cost comes in. Gold cannot be used in anyway except one i.e to pay for shit. Thats why the buck stops there. Please stop arguing this. its silly.
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On March 10 2017 07:15 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 07:14 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 06:11 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 05:58 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 05:48 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 05:43 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 05:38 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 05:04 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 04:10 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 04:02 Cyro wrote:
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Consumables cost a lot (40k a week standard i guess for flasks, food and a ton of prolonged power) so dumping all of those bloods into gold keeps my wallet even and has not made me a millionaire again Well, i craft my consumables with my bloods, so they cost me zero, since i get the bloods just by playing the game. This sentence triggers me. I hear that so often and it makes just no sense. It costs you the mats, and the mats are worth gold. So it costs you just the same as anyone else. Yes, but it only triggers you because you read what you want to read. I obviously know about its opportunity cost . It is not opportunity cost, it is real cost. It costs mats. On March 10 2017 05:38 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 05:04 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 04:10 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 04:02 Cyro wrote:
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Consumables cost a lot (40k a week standard i guess for flasks, food and a ton of prolonged power) so dumping all of those bloods into gold keeps my wallet even and has not made me a millionaire again Well, i craft my consumables with my bloods, so they cost me zero, since i get the bloods just by playing the game. This sentence triggers me. I hear that so often and it makes just no sense. It costs you the mats, and the mats are worth gold. So it costs you just the same as anyone else. The only resource important to me in game is time. Everything you do requires time, not gold. I get bloods withouth the need to invest specifically time into it, since they magically pop from content i am doing anyways. Hence, why i call them free. Sure you can see it like that. But by the same logic the gold you earn that way is also free. I never do any specific farming and collect stuff along the way. That got me enough "free" gold to pay my WoW sub. Hence the WoW subscription is also free. Not really. The concept ends when you arrive at a form of currency that is a common denominator of the environemt. ergo/ Gold, its not my logic. Its what Oppurtunity Cost is. But sure if you want to nitpick. Mats and gold are so easily and quickly interchangeable that it makes no difference in reality. To me, making a difference between those 2 things because of the minute it takes to exchange them for one another seems nitpicky. One is a common currency the other is not that is the bottom line. You cant buy stuff from the AH using dreamleaf .Whether it take a minute or an hour to exchange it for gold is irrelevant. Also the value of mats is variable. The value of Gold is not 1 gold is 1 gold always that is why it is a common currency. The distinction "in reality" is very real and being easily convertible doesnt change that. Again this is going in a very wrong direction. Because you are arguing parts of the argument that are supplementary. You said it was real cost. Its not real cost unless there is gold leaving his bags. But lets ignore that assumption. Even if you choose to define it another way thats fine, but that doesnt make him wrong which is why i said your point that it is real cost is irrelevant. Paying in non-currency items is not simply opportunity cost, that is real value. That is definitely not my own definition. Using any resource that could have been used another way is where the concept of oppurtunity cost comes in. Gold cannot be used in anyway except one i.e to pay for shit. Thats why the buck stops there. Please stop arguing this. its silly.
Opportunity cost has nothing to do with the difference between currency and non-currency values. Just look it up.
To explain it, paying with a resource would additionally occur an opportunity cost if you needed this resource to get something else at the same time which means you miss an opportunity. If you dont miss an opportunity, no opportunity cost occured.
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On March 10 2017 07:18 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 07:15 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 07:14 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 06:11 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 05:58 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 05:48 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 05:43 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 05:38 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 05:04 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 04:10 Godwrath wrote:
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Well, i craft my consumables with my bloods, so they cost me zero, since i get the bloods just by playing the game. This sentence triggers me. I hear that so often and it makes just no sense. It costs you the mats, and the mats are worth gold. So it costs you just the same as anyone else. Yes, but it only triggers you because you read what you want to read. I obviously know about its opportunity cost . It is not opportunity cost, it is real cost. It costs mats. On March 10 2017 05:38 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 05:04 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 04:10 Godwrath wrote:
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Well, i craft my consumables with my bloods, so they cost me zero, since i get the bloods just by playing the game. This sentence triggers me. I hear that so often and it makes just no sense. It costs you the mats, and the mats are worth gold. So it costs you just the same as anyone else. The only resource important to me in game is time. Everything you do requires time, not gold. I get bloods withouth the need to invest specifically time into it, since they magically pop from content i am doing anyways. Hence, why i call them free. Sure you can see it like that. But by the same logic the gold you earn that way is also free. I never do any specific farming and collect stuff along the way. That got me enough "free" gold to pay my WoW sub. Hence the WoW subscription is also free. Not really. The concept ends when you arrive at a form of currency that is a common denominator of the environemt. ergo/ Gold, its not my logic. Its what Oppurtunity Cost is. But sure if you want to nitpick. Mats and gold are so easily and quickly interchangeable that it makes no difference in reality. To me, making a difference between those 2 things because of the minute it takes to exchange them for one another seems nitpicky. One is a common currency the other is not that is the bottom line. You cant buy stuff from the AH using dreamleaf .Whether it take a minute or an hour to exchange it for gold is irrelevant. Also the value of mats is variable. The value of Gold is not 1 gold is 1 gold always that is why it is a common currency. The distinction "in reality" is very real and being easily convertible doesnt change that. Again this is going in a very wrong direction. Because you are arguing parts of the argument that are supplementary. You said it was real cost. Its not real cost unless there is gold leaving his bags. But lets ignore that assumption. Even if you choose to define it another way thats fine, but that doesnt make him wrong which is why i said your point that it is real cost is irrelevant. Paying in non-currency items is not simply opportunity cost, that is real value. That is definitely not my own definition. Using any resource that could have been used another way is where the concept of oppurtunity cost comes in. Gold cannot be used in anyway except one i.e to pay for shit. Thats why the buck stops there. Please stop arguing this. its silly. Opportunity cost has nothing to do with the difference between currency and non-currency values. Just look it up. To explain it, paying with a resource would additionally occur an opportunity cost if you needed this resource to get something else at the same time which means you miss an opportunity. If you dont miss an opportunity, no opportunity cost occured.
I didnt say that it does, please re read what I said. You are still being silly. Im not interested in addressing this stupidity, you are right I apologize.
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On March 10 2017 07:26 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 07:18 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 07:15 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 07:14 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 06:11 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 05:58 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 05:48 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 05:43 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 05:38 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 05:04 Redox wrote:
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This sentence triggers me. I hear that so often and it makes just no sense. It costs you the mats, and the mats are worth gold. So it costs you just the same as anyone else. Yes, but it only triggers you because you read what you want to read. I obviously know about its opportunity cost . It is not opportunity cost, it is real cost. It costs mats. On March 10 2017 05:38 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 05:04 Redox wrote:
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This sentence triggers me. I hear that so often and it makes just no sense. It costs you the mats, and the mats are worth gold. So it costs you just the same as anyone else. The only resource important to me in game is time. Everything you do requires time, not gold. I get bloods withouth the need to invest specifically time into it, since they magically pop from content i am doing anyways. Hence, why i call them free. Sure you can see it like that. But by the same logic the gold you earn that way is also free. I never do any specific farming and collect stuff along the way. That got me enough "free" gold to pay my WoW sub. Hence the WoW subscription is also free. Not really. The concept ends when you arrive at a form of currency that is a common denominator of the environemt. ergo/ Gold, its not my logic. Its what Oppurtunity Cost is. But sure if you want to nitpick. Mats and gold are so easily and quickly interchangeable that it makes no difference in reality. To me, making a difference between those 2 things because of the minute it takes to exchange them for one another seems nitpicky. One is a common currency the other is not that is the bottom line. You cant buy stuff from the AH using dreamleaf .Whether it take a minute or an hour to exchange it for gold is irrelevant. Also the value of mats is variable. The value of Gold is not 1 gold is 1 gold always that is why it is a common currency. The distinction "in reality" is very real and being easily convertible doesnt change that. Again this is going in a very wrong direction. Because you are arguing parts of the argument that are supplementary. You said it was real cost. Its not real cost unless there is gold leaving his bags. But lets ignore that assumption. Even if you choose to define it another way thats fine, but that doesnt make him wrong which is why i said your point that it is real cost is irrelevant. Paying in non-currency items is not simply opportunity cost, that is real value. That is definitely not my own definition. Using any resource that could have been used another way is where the concept of oppurtunity cost comes in. Gold cannot be used in anyway except one i.e to pay for shit. Thats why the buck stops there. Please stop arguing this. its silly. Opportunity cost has nothing to do with the difference between currency and non-currency values. Just look it up. To explain it, paying with a resource would additionally occur an opportunity cost if you needed this resource to get something else at the same time which means you miss an opportunity. If you dont miss an opportunity, no opportunity cost occured. I didnt say that it does, please re read what I said. You are still being silly.
Kinda boring you chose to end the argument this way. :/
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On March 10 2017 07:28 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 07:26 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 07:18 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 07:15 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 07:14 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 06:11 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 05:58 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 05:48 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 05:43 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 05:38 Godwrath wrote:
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Yes, but it only triggers you because you read what you want to read. I obviously know about its opportunity cost . It is not opportunity cost, it is real cost. It costs mats. On March 10 2017 05:38 Godwrath wrote:
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The only resource important to me in game is time. Everything you do requires time, not gold. I get bloods withouth the need to invest specifically time into it, since they magically pop from content i am doing anyways. Hence, why i call them free.
Sure you can see it like that. But by the same logic the gold you earn that way is also free. I never do any specific farming and collect stuff along the way. That got me enough "free" gold to pay my WoW sub. Hence the WoW subscription is also free. Not really. The concept ends when you arrive at a form of currency that is a common denominator of the environemt. ergo/ Gold, its not my logic. Its what Oppurtunity Cost is. But sure if you want to nitpick. Mats and gold are so easily and quickly interchangeable that it makes no difference in reality. To me, making a difference between those 2 things because of the minute it takes to exchange them for one another seems nitpicky. One is a common currency the other is not that is the bottom line. You cant buy stuff from the AH using dreamleaf .Whether it take a minute or an hour to exchange it for gold is irrelevant. Also the value of mats is variable. The value of Gold is not 1 gold is 1 gold always that is why it is a common currency. The distinction "in reality" is very real and being easily convertible doesnt change that. Again this is going in a very wrong direction. Because you are arguing parts of the argument that are supplementary. You said it was real cost. Its not real cost unless there is gold leaving his bags. But lets ignore that assumption. Even if you choose to define it another way thats fine, but that doesnt make him wrong which is why i said your point that it is real cost is irrelevant. Paying in non-currency items is not simply opportunity cost, that is real value. That is definitely not my own definition. Using any resource that could have been used another way is where the concept of oppurtunity cost comes in. Gold cannot be used in anyway except one i.e to pay for shit. Thats why the buck stops there. Please stop arguing this. its silly. Opportunity cost has nothing to do with the difference between currency and non-currency values. Just look it up. To explain it, paying with a resource would additionally occur an opportunity cost if you needed this resource to get something else at the same time which means you miss an opportunity. If you dont miss an opportunity, no opportunity cost occured. I didnt say that it does, please re read what I said. You are still being silly. Kinda boring you chose to end the argument this way. :/
Thats totally fine with me tbh. Its a pointless argument. He wasnt wrong the fact that I even had to explain it was baffling enough.
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On March 10 2017 07:32 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 07:28 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 07:26 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 07:18 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 07:15 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 07:14 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 06:11 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 05:58 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 05:48 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 05:43 Redox wrote:
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It is not opportunity cost, it is real cost. It costs mats.
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Sure you can see it like that. But by the same logic the gold you earn that way is also free. I never do any specific farming and collect stuff along the way. That got me enough "free" gold to pay my WoW sub. Hence the WoW subscription is also free. Not really. The concept ends when you arrive at a form of currency that is a common denominator of the environemt. ergo/ Gold, its not my logic. Its what Oppurtunity Cost is. But sure if you want to nitpick. Mats and gold are so easily and quickly interchangeable that it makes no difference in reality. To me, making a difference between those 2 things because of the minute it takes to exchange them for one another seems nitpicky. One is a common currency the other is not that is the bottom line. You cant buy stuff from the AH using dreamleaf .Whether it take a minute or an hour to exchange it for gold is irrelevant. Also the value of mats is variable. The value of Gold is not 1 gold is 1 gold always that is why it is a common currency. The distinction "in reality" is very real and being easily convertible doesnt change that. Again this is going in a very wrong direction. Because you are arguing parts of the argument that are supplementary. You said it was real cost. Its not real cost unless there is gold leaving his bags. But lets ignore that assumption. Even if you choose to define it another way thats fine, but that doesnt make him wrong which is why i said your point that it is real cost is irrelevant. Paying in non-currency items is not simply opportunity cost, that is real value. That is definitely not my own definition. Using any resource that could have been used another way is where the concept of oppurtunity cost comes in. Gold cannot be used in anyway except one i.e to pay for shit. Thats why the buck stops there. Please stop arguing this. its silly. Opportunity cost has nothing to do with the difference between currency and non-currency values. Just look it up. To explain it, paying with a resource would additionally occur an opportunity cost if you needed this resource to get something else at the same time which means you miss an opportunity. If you dont miss an opportunity, no opportunity cost occured. I didnt say that it does, please re read what I said. You are still being silly. Kinda boring you chose to end the argument this way. :/ Thats totally fine with me tbh. Its a pointless argument. He wasnt wrong the fact that I even had to explain it was baffling enough.
I think the argument could have ended earlier if you had argued the point instead of trying to win it simply by being condescending. Oh well I see you dont want to continue it (I would) so let me just say you did not explain it successfully. :D
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On March 10 2017 07:49 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 07:32 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 07:28 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 07:26 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 07:18 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 07:15 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 07:14 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 06:11 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 05:58 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 05:48 Rebs wrote:
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Not really. The concept ends when you arrive at a form of currency that is a common denominator of the environemt. ergo/ Gold, its not my logic. Its what Oppurtunity Cost is.
But sure if you want to nitpick. Mats and gold are so easily and quickly interchangeable that it makes no difference in reality. To me, making a difference between those 2 things because of the minute it takes to exchange them for one another seems nitpicky. One is a common currency the other is not that is the bottom line. You cant buy stuff from the AH using dreamleaf .Whether it take a minute or an hour to exchange it for gold is irrelevant. Also the value of mats is variable. The value of Gold is not 1 gold is 1 gold always that is why it is a common currency. The distinction "in reality" is very real and being easily convertible doesnt change that. Again this is going in a very wrong direction. Because you are arguing parts of the argument that are supplementary. You said it was real cost. Its not real cost unless there is gold leaving his bags. But lets ignore that assumption. Even if you choose to define it another way thats fine, but that doesnt make him wrong which is why i said your point that it is real cost is irrelevant. Paying in non-currency items is not simply opportunity cost, that is real value. That is definitely not my own definition. Using any resource that could have been used another way is where the concept of oppurtunity cost comes in. Gold cannot be used in anyway except one i.e to pay for shit. Thats why the buck stops there. Please stop arguing this. its silly. Opportunity cost has nothing to do with the difference between currency and non-currency values. Just look it up. To explain it, paying with a resource would additionally occur an opportunity cost if you needed this resource to get something else at the same time which means you miss an opportunity. If you dont miss an opportunity, no opportunity cost occured. I didnt say that it does, please re read what I said. You are still being silly. Kinda boring you chose to end the argument this way. :/ Thats totally fine with me tbh. Its a pointless argument. He wasnt wrong the fact that I even had to explain it was baffling enough. I think the argument could have ended earlier if you had argued the point instead of trying to win it simply by being condescending. Oh well I see you dont want to continue it (I would) so let me just say you did not explain it successfully. :D
Agreed, move on with your life.
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I mean, how blatant does the ToS breaking have to be, before Blizzard acts on a big name like method? I wouldn't mind seeing them banned for 6months at all.
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My friend's guild took me through normal TOV and heroic EM. Holy shit, what a productive night. Went from 862 to 868 in like 2 hours.
GET READY, TL! MOHDOO DEEPS ARE COMIN' IN HOT!
On March 10 2017 10:13 daemir wrote:I mean, how blatant does the ToS breaking have to be, before Blizzard acts on a big name like method? I wouldn't mind seeing them banned for 6months at all.
I don't see why these dip shits get special treatment. This isn't a spectator sport. Blizzard would not suffer the way the NFL would suffer from banning the patriots for a season. Slap them across the face. They are not even remotely important.
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Just wondering if they finally get a competitive MW legendary that one would want over the good all-class legendaries. They already had a chance to do that when they introduced the new legendary last patch and completely blew it.
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