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On March 08 2017 11:27 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +I guess I should've clarified that with my gear setup atm, fury single target is less than arms by about 40k Is Drought extremely strong for Fury but not arms and making a lot of that difference? To go from Fury being 40k worse to Fury being 40k better is quite a leap ------- Show nested quote +The fastest way to get order resources for research is bloods if you don't need for gold desperately. I think its 150 per. It might even be an account bound consumable, cant remember though. It's 200-per and account bound IIRC - this is a cost of ~2k gold per ~1k order hall resources
So I can essentially just use money to get the ability to use another legendary? Token --> blood of sargeras --> order resources, right?
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No, you can't buy Bloods with gold. The point was there's an opportunity cost to spending Bloods on OR for hall upgrades versus spending them to make gold.
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On March 10 2017 00:51 Seuss wrote:
No, you can't buy Bloods with gold. The point was there's an opportunity cost to spending Bloods on OR for hall upgrades versus spending them to make gold.
I dont think bloods is a great way to get Order resources. Seems like a waste. Better of just clearing your map of OR reward WQ's. 150 OR for a blood is a desperately low return.
especially when kill random dude at x location quests will give you something like 500-1000 OR. Equiping a combat champion with the thingy is pretty useful to if you are desperate.
On March 08 2017 18:29 daemir wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2017 08:48 Rebs wrote:On March 08 2017 06:58 daemir wrote:Yea sure https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DjqaApmFNkxKb6TH#view=analytical&type=damage-doneWe basicly have me and another spriest on sphere duty. Add in 2 hunters for the adds, so we have 4 people semi mildly dpsing the lashers and 1-2 people on spheres. Basicly both spriests drop 2 dots on the 2nd sphere and I drop 1 dot on the last one and it's a done deal. Important that melee cleave the one they are near super fast, the faster the 1st sphere dies, the less chance you get a fuck up with the other 2. In P2 we both fully dot all adds that spawn and hunters stun them and it's ezpz. We had nearly flawless try on the kill and got lucky with the early p3 marks and gained so much dps coz healers got the first marks, got suicided and ressed or babysat through them. Yeah we killed it a few times already, problem we are melee heavy and depending on positioning not all of the range can damage it easily. So that means im the only one trusted to manage the sphere since i have better mobility. its fucking annoying though. I like to parse to.. That sounds horribly inefficient. For an spriest, it's a matter of global or 2 if there's 2 of them, if only one then add a moonkin or something with global or 2 for dots and it should work as well.
It is, I fucking hate it. But Im not enough of a parselord to argue whatever is decided. The RL's know its inefficient to, but since we are really melee heavy the damage isnt an issue so in the interest of getting more progress time its better to just bite the bullet rather than keep wiping because the teamwork is shit.
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On March 10 2017 03:40 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 00:51 Seuss wrote:
No, you can't buy Bloods with gold. The point was there's an opportunity cost to spending Bloods on OR for hall upgrades versus spending them to make gold. I dont think bloods is a great way to get Order resources. Seems like a waste. Better of just clearing your map of OR reward WQ's. 150 OR for a blood is a desperately low return. especially when kill random dude at x location quests will give you something like 500-1000 OR Not really, it's 200 resources per blood. And you don't "farm" bloods from WQ, you get them by doing dungeon (many people still do the daily heroic, or the mythic0 for leggo runs), or the warden's enchant. I am bolding that part, because i had found many people who don't know about that enchant and it's absolutely amazing.
I am swimming on bloods and i only use them to craft stuff for me for raids. I can tell you, i do almost 200 bloods per week just by doing the mythic0, daily heroic, and sparsely looting from dungeons/wq. That's 40k resources if i want to convert them.
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Youre also not getting about 400-500g per blood 
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On March 10 2017 03:50 Warri wrote:Youre also not getting about 400-500g per blood
What do you want gold for ? Also, 1 blood is 200 resources, which is 0.8 follower missions for 2-2,3k gold. Which is mostly what i do since i have 5 characters at 110
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United Kingdom20327 Posts
What don't you want gold for? :D
Gold is good, if you have an infinite source of gold you can buy everything ingame and every blizzard game / microtransaction / subscription ever.
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On March 10 2017 03:51 Cyro wrote:
What don't you want gold for? :D
Gold is good, if you have an infinite source of gold you can buy everything ingame and every blizzard game / microtransaction / subscription ever. Well, i am asking what do you need gold for ingame, which is absolutely nothing. With just follower missions, and some play, i am actually winning enough money to sustain myself and buy a coin each month.
None of those options is interesting enough for me to devout the time to play the selling game tho.
To each their own, but i would rather have the upgrades with minimal farmtime.
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On March 10 2017 03:45 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 03:40 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 00:51 Seuss wrote:
No, you can't buy Bloods with gold. The point was there's an opportunity cost to spending Bloods on OR for hall upgrades versus spending them to make gold. I dont think bloods is a great way to get Order resources. Seems like a waste. Better of just clearing your map of OR reward WQ's. 150 OR for a blood is a desperately low return. especially when kill random dude at x location quests will give you something like 500-1000 OR Not really, it's 200 resources per blood. And you don't "farm" bloods from WQ, you get them by doing dungeon (many people still do the daily heroic, or the mythic0 for leggo runs), or the warden's enchant. I am bolding that part, because i had found many people who don't know about that enchant and it's absolutely amazing. I am swimming on bloods and i only use them to craft stuff for me for raids. I can tell you, i do almost 200 bloods per week just by doing the mythic0, daily heroic, and sparsely looting from dungeons/wq. That's 40k resources if i want to convert them.
You do realise that the qualifiers you put in place dont apply to casual people right ?
Having 5 characters and doing all that stuff is a pretty big qualifier and time If you are doing all those things its not just bloods you will be swimming in you will be swimming in everything at that point they wouldnt be asking for advice on how to get OR anyway.
Its very clear that the person asking for advice on it was pressed for time, if they are pressed for time and dont have 5 characters to grind stuff each week for bloods WQ's is the most efficient way.
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On March 10 2017 03:56 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 03:45 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 03:40 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 00:51 Seuss wrote:
No, you can't buy Bloods with gold. The point was there's an opportunity cost to spending Bloods on OR for hall upgrades versus spending them to make gold. I dont think bloods is a great way to get Order resources. Seems like a waste. Better of just clearing your map of OR reward WQ's. 150 OR for a blood is a desperately low return. especially when kill random dude at x location quests will give you something like 500-1000 OR Not really, it's 200 resources per blood. And you don't "farm" bloods from WQ, you get them by doing dungeon (many people still do the daily heroic, or the mythic0 for leggo runs), or the warden's enchant. I am bolding that part, because i had found many people who don't know about that enchant and it's absolutely amazing. I am swimming on bloods and i only use them to craft stuff for me for raids. I can tell you, i do almost 200 bloods per week just by doing the mythic0, daily heroic, and sparsely looting from dungeons/wq. That's 40k resources if i want to convert them. You do realise that the qualifiers you put in place dont apply to casual people right ? Having 5 characters and doing all that stuff is a pretty big qualifier and time If you are doing all those things its not just bloods you will be swimming in you will be swimming in everything at that point they wouldnt be asking for advice on how to do it anyway. Do you have the enchant ? And no, i don't do all that stuff with 5 characters, just with my main.
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On March 10 2017 03:59 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 03:56 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 03:45 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 03:40 Rebs wrote:On March 10 2017 00:51 Seuss wrote:
No, you can't buy Bloods with gold. The point was there's an opportunity cost to spending Bloods on OR for hall upgrades versus spending them to make gold. I dont think bloods is a great way to get Order resources. Seems like a waste. Better of just clearing your map of OR reward WQ's. 150 OR for a blood is a desperately low return. especially when kill random dude at x location quests will give you something like 500-1000 OR Not really, it's 200 resources per blood. And you don't "farm" bloods from WQ, you get them by doing dungeon (many people still do the daily heroic, or the mythic0 for leggo runs), or the warden's enchant. I am bolding that part, because i had found many people who don't know about that enchant and it's absolutely amazing. I am swimming on bloods and i only use them to craft stuff for me for raids. I can tell you, i do almost 200 bloods per week just by doing the mythic0, daily heroic, and sparsely looting from dungeons/wq. That's 40k resources if i want to convert them. You do realise that the qualifiers you put in place dont apply to casual people right ? Having 5 characters and doing all that stuff is a pretty big qualifier and time If you are doing all those things its not just bloods you will be swimming in you will be swimming in everything at that point they wouldnt be asking for advice on how to do it anyway. Do you have the enchant ?
Im not the one with this problem. And again, if they are playing with limited time the tradeoff for the amount of bloods they will get even FOR doing all that contentwith the enchant and trading them off is probably not worth the gold loss.
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Well, i am asking what do you need gold for ingame, which is absolutely nothing.
Consumable cost (flask, food, prolonged power and some occasional old wars, enchanting new gear) drains most of the money that the Bloods generate for me
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On March 10 2017 04:02 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +Well, i am asking what do you need gold for ingame, which is absolutely nothing. Consumables cost a lot (40k a week standard i guess for flasks, food and a ton of prolonged power) so dumping all of those bloods into gold keeps my wallet even and has not made me a millionaire again
Well, i craft my consumables with my bloods, so they cost me zero, since i get the bloods just by playing the game. If you are on a guild, i am sure you can get someone to convert your bloods into consumables aswell so you wouldn't pay overpriced prices at the AH. I mean, i can spend 300 prolonged powers per week, but that's just 30 bloods. Flasks are a little more expensive in bloods (4.3 bloods), but since i have rank 3 and the guild gives us flask for raiding, i just have to spend 100 bloods a month to have enough flasks for other content.
My main point, is that everyone is pretty much self-sufficient enough that you don't really need gold outside of luxuries. So using the bloods for gold is only worth it if you want those luxuries, using it for resources if you want those upgrades is completely acceptable.
@Rebs, if you don't have the time, neither you do for doing for farming resources. I was just saying you the most efficient way to farm resources for the most part timewise, not that you need to DO all the content. And also, the enchant is always worth it, for everything.
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Crafting flasks from bloods is more expensive than selling the bloods and buying flasks
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But if you make them yourself you can call them artisanal flasks. That makes them better, right?
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food is dirt cheap for me, mostly because I made like 600 of the 300 food thinking I was making 60 on the first week of raid launch, so I have 6000 375 food for this expansion, im down to like 4700 left. I just have to buy some gem chips and farm a few starlight rose every now and then.
It's nice not having to worry about one consumable for an entire expansion. Of all the ridiculous crafting changes they did, food was the most positive change imo.
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On March 10 2017 04:10 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 04:02 Cyro wrote:Well, i am asking what do you need gold for ingame, which is absolutely nothing. Consumables cost a lot (40k a week standard i guess for flasks, food and a ton of prolonged power) so dumping all of those bloods into gold keeps my wallet even and has not made me a millionaire again Well, i craft my consumables with my bloods, so they cost me zero, since i get the bloods just by playing the game.
This sentence triggers me. I hear that so often and it makes just no sense. It costs you the mats, and the mats are worth gold. So it costs you just the same as anyone else.
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On March 10 2017 05:04 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 04:10 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 04:02 Cyro wrote:Well, i am asking what do you need gold for ingame, which is absolutely nothing. Consumables cost a lot (40k a week standard i guess for flasks, food and a ton of prolonged power) so dumping all of those bloods into gold keeps my wallet even and has not made me a millionaire again Well, i craft my consumables with my bloods, so they cost me zero, since i get the bloods just by playing the game. This sentence triggers me. I hear that so often and it makes just no sense. It costs you the mats, and the mats are worth gold. So it costs you just the same as anyone else.
Yes, but it only triggers you because you read what you want to read. I obviously know about its opportunity cost except if you want to think i am too dumb to know that. Funny how it works, even tho you probably get the point i am trying to convey by what i said.
The only resource important to me in game is time. Everything you do requires time, not gold. I get bloods withouth the need to invest specifically time into it, since they magically pop from content i am doing anyways. Hence, why i call them free. I know i am spending bloods, and i know bloods can be used in exchange for mats which you could use to craft/sell, it's not rocket science.
On March 10 2017 04:25 Cyro wrote:
Crafting flasks from bloods is more expensive than selling the bloods and buying flasks
Not in my server, but that makes sense then.
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On March 10 2017 04:10 Godwrath wrote:
@Rebs, if you don't have the time, neither you do for doing for farming resources. I was just saying you the most efficient way to farm resources for the most part timewise, not that you need to DO all the content. And also, the enchant is always worth it, for everything.
I think you are extremely confused about the enchant point. I said trading your bloods and the other resources you can gain from them verses the OR you get is a net negative in all situations. Im not sure how you gathered that was me suggesting that the enchant was not worth it. The enchant is the only way with the limited content I do outside of raids to get easy bloods. But not for OR. Please read full sentences or atleast try.
Even if you arent hurting for those other resources. But thats besides the point.
Doing targeted WQs is not even close to doing content in terms of time. When you are doing content you are spending time. These arent exclusive things. Your conflating time you already spend ingame with time doing things you dont want to do.
Time is time regardless of what you do without. And purely in those terms in the vaccum of someone who is low geared and doesnt have an oppurtunity to do the same content you can do in a guild. WQ's are the most efficient way to do it.
On March 10 2017 05:43 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 05:38 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 05:04 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 04:10 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 04:02 Cyro wrote:Well, i am asking what do you need gold for ingame, which is absolutely nothing. Consumables cost a lot (40k a week standard i guess for flasks, food and a ton of prolonged power) so dumping all of those bloods into gold keeps my wallet even and has not made me a millionaire again Well, i craft my consumables with my bloods, so they cost me zero, since i get the bloods just by playing the game. This sentence triggers me. I hear that so often and it makes just no sense. It costs you the mats, and the mats are worth gold. So it costs you just the same as anyone else. Yes, but it only triggers you because you read what you want to read. I obviously know about its opportunity cost . It is not opportunity cost, it is real cost. It costs mats.
It is opportunity cost, because those mats are worth nothing if you dont sell them or end up spending gold to buy them, but that is a pointless distinction because of what I mentioned above.
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On March 10 2017 05:38 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 05:04 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 04:10 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 04:02 Cyro wrote:Well, i am asking what do you need gold for ingame, which is absolutely nothing. Consumables cost a lot (40k a week standard i guess for flasks, food and a ton of prolonged power) so dumping all of those bloods into gold keeps my wallet even and has not made me a millionaire again Well, i craft my consumables with my bloods, so they cost me zero, since i get the bloods just by playing the game. This sentence triggers me. I hear that so often and it makes just no sense. It costs you the mats, and the mats are worth gold. So it costs you just the same as anyone else. Yes, but it only triggers you because you read what you want to read. I obviously know about its opportunity cost .
It is not opportunity cost, it is real cost. It costs mats.
On March 10 2017 05:38 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 05:04 Redox wrote:On March 10 2017 04:10 Godwrath wrote:On March 10 2017 04:02 Cyro wrote:Well, i am asking what do you need gold for ingame, which is absolutely nothing. Consumables cost a lot (40k a week standard i guess for flasks, food and a ton of prolonged power) so dumping all of those bloods into gold keeps my wallet even and has not made me a millionaire again Well, i craft my consumables with my bloods, so they cost me zero, since i get the bloods just by playing the game. This sentence triggers me. I hear that so often and it makes just no sense. It costs you the mats, and the mats are worth gold. So it costs you just the same as anyone else. The only resource important to me in game is time. Everything you do requires time, not gold. I get bloods withouth the need to invest specifically time into it, since they magically pop from content i am doing anyways. Hence, why i call them free.
Sure you can see it like that. But by the same logic the gold you earn that way is also free. I never do any specific farming and collect stuff along the way. That got me enough "free" gold to pay my WoW sub. Hence the WoW subscription is also free.
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