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On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote:
I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother.

Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion.

Form
Spreadsheet

If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-04 15:51:13
December 04 2016 15:40 GMT
#4561
You likely won't notice not critting 4 spells in a row, compared to 4 of the same spell in a row.

The way they display numbers at you with how crits are bigger and more vibrant (unless you use an add on) will make it feel like you are critting more things than you might actually be.


Depending on the spec there can be sequences of coinflips that cause your damage to either triple or drop to 10% of normal for a period of time, it's not just about the damage that the hit does
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-04 17:26:55
December 04 2016 17:26 GMT
#4562
On December 05 2016 00:40 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
You likely won't notice not critting 4 spells in a row, compared to 4 of the same spell in a row.

The way they display numbers at you with how crits are bigger and more vibrant (unless you use an add on) will make it feel like you are critting more things than you might actually be.


Depending on the spec there can be sequences of coinflips that cause your damage to either triple or drop to 10% of normal for a period of time, it's not just about the damage that the hit does


If you dont crit 4 spells in a row as a mage you just dropped 50k.. done.. then you need to wait for your next set of cooldowns to get back up.. its very unforgiving to not crit as fire. Although I cant remember that happening to me at 60 percent crit. Maybe 3 casts once in a blue moon..
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-04 20:10:06
December 04 2016 19:53 GMT
#4563
Odyn still pretty buggy

when spear first spawns (spawns, rather than explodes), it seems to shoot out invisible stun orbs which give random stuns and can sometimes stun you instantly as a spear appears under your feet

when any add dies outside of rune, there is no shield and 4 people die

when you phase to p3 after the adds spawn but before you all have shields, there are no shields and everyone dies

etc

pretty awful boss to wipe on
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
December 04 2016 20:22 GMT
#4564
I noticed the shield thing for Mythic. I was watching a video from Sco's point of view and they stopped all dps at 57% because the adds were out.

I didn't really know why since in phase 1 you don't do the same if you are at the end of the phase. That would explain why lol.
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
December 04 2016 22:23 GMT
#4565
Gonna swap to offspec loot spec for this one dungeon so i can get my bis relic hopefully...yep there it is..another useless legendary.
It boggles my mind how there is no differentiation between normal and legendary drop settings :|
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-04 22:49:12
December 04 2016 22:37 GMT
#4566
I'm gonna have at least 7 legendaries before my lootspec comes off Havoc for any reason
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
December 04 2016 23:31 GMT
#4567
On December 05 2016 07:23 Warri wrote:
Gonna swap to offspec loot spec for this one dungeon so i can get my bis relic hopefully...yep there it is..another useless legendary.
It boggles my mind how there is no differentiation between normal and legendary drop settings :|

Oh wow that is pretty bad.

I am still waiting for my 3rd. Hopefully I get it before 7.1.5 and they add another bad legendary.
Off-season = best season
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-05 00:13:36
December 04 2016 23:58 GMT
#4568
The 7.1.5 legendary seems pretty great for havoc AFAIK, depends if they change the values around

It lowers the Metamorphosis cooldown - 4 min CD right now, 3 min if you stack CD reduction relics and maybe about 2 min with the right items which means syncing it with chaos blades (2min cd) and just having huge uptime in general which is good for all types of damage and for survivability

The more CD reduction you have, the more CD reduction is worth for several reasons which makes it quite likely that it'll either be great and you stack all CDR everywhere or it'll be bad to do so and you get none at all
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
December 05 2016 00:55 GMT
#4569
Anyone here play a Warlock? I'm about to start levelling one of my 100s, I'm leaning towards my lock but I heard some pretty bad things about their DPS/performance earlier in the expo. Has that been resolved? How do the various specs perform? I'm relatively casual, mostly 5 mans, LFR and the odd raid with a hardcore guild's casual group.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51502 Posts
December 05 2016 01:06 GMT
#4570
jeez this lag is grating
Commentator
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
December 05 2016 01:51 GMT
#4571
On December 05 2016 09:55 Amarok wrote:
Anyone here play a Warlock? I'm about to start levelling one of my 100s, I'm leaning towards my lock but I heard some pretty bad things about their DPS/performance earlier in the expo. Has that been resolved? How do the various specs perform? I'm relatively casual, mostly 5 mans, LFR and the odd raid with a hardcore guild's casual group.


I don't play much, so you may want to wait for a more informed opinion, but I believe that the main complaints about warlocks was just with the affliction spec, I think Destruction and maybe Demo have been doing fine.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-05 04:10:17
December 05 2016 04:09 GMT
#4572
On December 05 2016 09:55 Amarok wrote:
Anyone here play a Warlock? I'm about to start levelling one of my 100s, I'm leaning towards my lock but I heard some pretty bad things about their DPS/performance earlier in the expo. Has that been resolved? How do the various specs perform? I'm relatively casual, mostly 5 mans, LFR and the odd raid with a hardcore guild's casual group.


afflication is weak except for specific fights. otherwise locks are fine. Also if your pugging just summon alone will make everyone love you...
nimbim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany985 Posts
December 05 2016 06:29 GMT
#4573
On December 05 2016 09:55 Amarok wrote:
Anyone here play a Warlock? I'm about to start levelling one of my 100s, I'm leaning towards my lock but I heard some pretty bad things about their DPS/performance earlier in the expo. Has that been resolved? How do the various specs perform? I'm relatively casual, mostly 5 mans, LFR and the odd raid with a hardcore guild's casual group.


Our destro locks are constantly among the top damage dealers in raid. In fact they deal so much damage, that they are expecting to get nerfed and preparing to have demonology ready in that case.
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-05 08:38:29
December 05 2016 08:37 GMT
#4574
Affliction is also good for PvP. Good amount of damage and insane self-healing. Destro works as well, though Demo seems overnerfed.
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-05 16:40:05
December 05 2016 16:22 GMT
#4575
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/12#boss=1958

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/12#boss=1962

Sample size extremely low for some specs (can see at bottom) and by now the data on the harder bosses is skewed a lot by legendary items (people with better legendaries are more likely to be on boss kills and much more likely to be in the higher performing brackets)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-05 17:00:08
December 05 2016 16:59 GMT
#4576
So I randomely went to the reddit page for legion (first timeZ) and instantly regretted it, literally the first thread I read was people complaining that heroic EN was overtuned and guilds who were 7/7 hc en were having to hard a time, I was literally floored. Its easy as fuck.. maybe Helya is slightly more challenging.. but. for an organized guild grp ?

If anything is puggable, its not overtuned. Considering the kind of shit Wow Devs have to cater to Im growing increasingly more sympathetic to their mistakes.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21967 Posts
December 05 2016 17:27 GMT
#4577
On December 06 2016 01:59 Rebs wrote:
So I randomely went to the reddit page for legion (first timeZ) and instantly regretted it, literally the first thread I read was people complaining that heroic EN was overtuned and guilds who were 7/7 hc en were having to hard a time, I was literally floored. Its easy as fuck.. maybe Helya is slightly more challenging.. but. for an organized guild grp ?

If anything is puggable, its not overtuned. Considering the kind of shit Wow Devs have to cater to Im growing increasingly more sympathetic to their mistakes.

Comparing the difficulty of ToV and EN and assuming that ToV should be roughly equal to EN.
Yes I would call it overtuned.
And looking at how low the kill numbers are sofar supports that statement.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
December 05 2016 17:29 GMT
#4578
Haha yeah i posted a bit in that thread. I went back to check my heroic helya kill and all our dds got 10% parses. Not because we suck obviously, but because the mobs had no health to do dmg to so you can not get the damage anymore to parse high on her thats how hard she got nerfed. Only 1 fire mage and 1 balance druid who starshowered/living bombed the small adds got 75 and 82%.
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
December 05 2016 17:29 GMT
#4579
ToV should be harder, and is stated by Blizzard to be done after EN in progression. It also rewards higher ilevel for that reason.

Are there some overtuned parts? Yeah there probably is, but rather it be hard than a cake walk.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-05 17:36:29
December 05 2016 17:33 GMT
#4580
literally the first thread I read was people complaining that heroic EN was overtuned and guilds who were 7/7 hc en were having to hard a time


Talking about TOV, right?

EN to TOV was the biggest jump in tuning that i can remember, EN is a joke compared to TOV. I think EN is significantly undertuned and TOV tuned harder than most raids at the same time.

10 player vs 25 player is quite imbalanced on multiple fights which makes 10 very hard compared to 25 which is already unusually difficult.

If you sort comments by top there is a lot of good discussion too, you should generally do that for reddit threads: https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/5glvhm/in_many_ways_htov_is_most_meant_for_groups_that/?sort=top
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
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