EPTI will actually think less of Blizzard if they hand out free legendaries. They probably need to clarify how the system works so we don't have people throwing their assumptions around, but I think they picked the most obvious and simple path forward otherwise.
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BfA Community Links: GP : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/KKMpKPSlgd?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/v9x5bAF3jD?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/ALwgJnC5Wo?region=EU&faction=Alliance TLNAH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/vPrmjJxiVnJ?region=US&faction=Horde TLNAA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/YeZj7P0SXLn?region=US&faction=Alliance Bnet: Bnet - https://blizzard.com/invite/amvLM0EubJv On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote: I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother. Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion. Form Spreadsheet If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
I will actually think less of Blizzard if they hand out free legendaries. They probably need to clarify how the system works so we don't have people throwing their assumptions around, but I think they picked the most obvious and simple path forward otherwise. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
It's just gear. Are you in a world first guild? No? You're going to be able to do shit without Legendaries. There needs to be some tit calming in WoW. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
tons and tons of melee dps. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
On September 16 2016 23:27 Requizen wrote: Yeah I keep laughing at my guildies who are like "ugh I need to rush through my Order Hall upgrades so I can equip 0/2 Legendaries instead of 0/1". It's just gear. Are you in a world first guild? No? You're going to be able to do shit without Legendaries. There needs to be some tit calming in WoW. We have ~40 people currently vying for 20 mythic raid spots. Having a bis legendary or not is going to factor into if you're on the bench or in the raid. | ||
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Warri
Germany3208 Posts
Also, started the week with ilvl 840/846. 10/10 mythics later im 841/847 | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On September 17 2016 00:02 daemir wrote: We have ~40 people currently vying for 20 mythic raid spots. Having a bis legendary or not is going to factor into if you're on the bench or in the raid. I'm 100% in favor of having Legendaries be locked out of Mythics for the first X weeks/months for that and similar reasons. I think letting them be a part of Mythic progression is a mistake Blizzard isn't likely to repeat. But outside of that specific context it's silly, and the vast majority of players are outside of that specific context. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Your first example is definitely wrong. Prepatch doesn't mean Player 1 stops getting legendaries. The first 3 give way more advantage than the 5 that come afterwards since you can equip 1 (later 2) at a time and pick the best one that you have for the situation In the situation where second player just gets unlucky - that's just shit RNG but it's fair shit RNG, it's not biased towards either player, one of them just won the lottery. Personally i think it should give less power or be easier to win, but that's besides the point. They probably need to clarify how the system works so we don't have people throwing their assumptions around absolutely We have ~40 people currently vying for 20 mythic raid spots. Having a bis legendary or not is going to factor into if you're on the bench or in the raid. I've seen almost every guild overpopulated and looking for ranged DPS. The population of the game literally doubled overnight, so you're going to see that for a while. A quickly rising or falling playerbase is quite chaotic for guilds everywhere.. right now there are too few guilds, with a population crash there are too many etc. Creating or destroying a guild isn't that easy. @DH population - it's actually not anywhere near as high as i thought it'd be. Having more good melee specs than ranged is finally catching up But outside of that specific context it's silly, and the vast majority of players are outside of that specific context. The whole game is designed around the carrot on a stick of player power, Blizzard have even taken some relatively high profile design choices in order to promote this that hurt other parts of the game IMO. If you take that away or screw it up there are significant changes needed to balance out gameplay and reward | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
On September 16 2016 23:27 Requizen wrote: Yeah I keep laughing at my guildies who are like "ugh I need to rush through my Order Hall upgrades so I can equip 0/2 Legendaries instead of 0/1". It's just gear. Are you in a world first guild? No? You're going to be able to do shit without Legendaries. There needs to be some tit calming in WoW. Even top 5 guilds are sort of resigned to the fact that they're not going to be able to bring a raid full of legendaries. I mean anyone can think about it for a second: it's rare for someone to have a legendary, and super rare to have one of the ones that's really effective (some specs don't even have one that's especially effective). There are only so many top tier (skill and knowledge) players. How many players from second-tier guilds are actually gonna be accepted into a top 5 guild because of a legendary they got? I wouldn't be surprised if there are literally zero cases of this happening. And if it's not worth it for them, you gotta wonder if it's worth it for any other guild down the line. I mean you can trial some people in your flex raids and if their numbers are good and they do the mechanics and you like their attitude, then they can earn a spot. How many people are gonna go through that process and lose out to a player with a legendary, who they otherwise would have beaten? Very few. It is a way that some people will get screwed but it's SO FEW people that it's not even worth the general population's attention. http://www.method.gg/top-guilds-on-the-warm-up-legendaries-leveling-and-split-dungeons | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On September 17 2016 00:25 Cyro wrote: The whole game is designed around the carrot on a stick of player power, Blizzard have even taken some relatively high profile design choices in order to promote this that hurt other parts of the game IMO. If you take that away or screw it up there are significant changes needed to balance out gameplay and reward Sure, but I don't think legendaries screw things up for anyone who isn't in a highly competitive Mythic progression guild. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 17 2016 00:02 daemir wrote: We have ~40 people currently vying for 20 mythic raid spots. Having a bis legendary or not is going to factor into if you're on the bench or in the raid. I would imagine that your dps/hps/tanking skill would have more to factor with it. And how you work with the raid group as a whole. And if you're a dick or not. And your ability to stick to the schedule. Unless your legendary takes you from literal bottom of the barrel dps to top of the charts and double the person below you, I don't see why it's more than a footnote for the decision making process. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On September 17 2016 01:01 Requizen wrote: I would imagine that your dps/hps/tanking skill would have more to factor with it. And how you work with the raid group as a whole. And if you're a dick or not. And your ability to stick to the schedule. Unless your legendary takes you from literal bottom of the barrel dps to top of the charts and double the person below you, I don't see why it's more than a footnote for the decision making process. The factors you bring up are largely less relevant than you think they are in competitive progression raiding. Jerks who significantly impact raid performance and raiders who frequently no show have already benched themselves (if not gotten kicked out). What remains are players of very close, though not perfectly uniform, skill level. This is the realm where a 5% difference in spec DPS can mean a less skillful player does more damage than a more skillful one. As such, you can be the most skillful player in the guild, but if you're the least lucky when it comes to legendaries you can get benched because you either didn't get a legendary drop in time for Mythics or you got one which doesn't help you beyond its iLvl. The concern being expressed is valid. It is valid for only a very tiny subset of WoW's population, but that doesn't make it invalid. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
On September 17 2016 00:47 Seuss wrote: Sure, but I don't think legendaries screw things up for anyone who isn't in a highly competitive Mythic progression guild. The game or reward structure being screwed up is not measured in gkicks | ||
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United States745 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On September 17 2016 02:09 Cyro wrote: The game or reward structure being screwed up is not measured in gkicks Nobody here is arguing it is unless I missed something. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
On September 17 2016 02:17 Lemonayd wrote: Does anybody know of a site that has a collection of useful macros Mages? I've never been particularly good with making my own macros, but I'm sure there are some that are out there that would be useful for fire spec. The first thing that comes to mind is having combining flame on with fireblast so that when I have no charges left it just activates flame on. Altered Time probably has some | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10139 Posts
Shitty ass customer service for sure. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
On September 17 2016 04:59 Godwrath wrote: Good guy blizzard, open a ticket because i am bugged and i can't do stormheim's chains, and therefore i have to raise my reputation doing normal dungeons (the fucking pain, it's like cancer + aids) at 150 a pop. The response ? A generic one about using wowhead. Fuck'em, fuck'em hard. Shitty ass customer service for sure. I asked a yes/no question last week and it took 5-6 days and an unrelated answer to get a "No", customer service can't handle the amount of activity at the moment at all | ||
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NonY
8751 Posts
ps: Just hit 21 traits on main spec. Only 115k until my next big trait! Then I go put some points into WW to reach a nice trait there and it's gonna feel sooo fast. | ||
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Germany9118 Posts
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