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On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote:
I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother.

Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion.

Form
Spreadsheet

If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 06 2016 12:35 GMT
#2001
Won't be any tunings until after 1st week of raiding that's for sure.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-06 12:45:58
September 06 2016 12:45 GMT
#2002
On September 06 2016 21:33 Foxxan wrote:
Wotlk was by far the best pvp experience hands down. From what i remember the burst WAS LOWER, in a semi-big way.
Felt like you could use skills in combat there over a longer period before you were dead/opponent dead.

I really enjoyed WotLK, but you and I remember it very differently. It was fucking insane, getting globalled was a regular thing. Beastcleave, destro locks, bladestorm, ret paladins, TSG, wizardcleave, ele shamans, frost DK's... There was no way that shit was less bursty.
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Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4557 Posts
September 06 2016 13:06 GMT
#2003
So when is the world first race starting? And is it still Method vs Paragon?
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-06 13:15:01
September 06 2016 13:11 GMT
#2004
Either way, burst is to high right now. And if blizzard says to themself "but if burst wasnt this high then 3v3 fights would last forever". Well, then FIX that as well. Bloody hell blizzard, can you make the pvp experience GOOD FOR ONCE?

On September 06 2016 21:45 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2016 21:33 Foxxan wrote:
Wotlk was by far the best pvp experience hands down. From what i remember the burst WAS LOWER, in a semi-big way.
Felt like you could use skills in combat there over a longer period before you were dead/opponent dead.

I really enjoyed WotLK, but you and I remember it very differently. It was fucking insane, getting globalled was a regular thing. Beastcleave, destro locks, bladestorm, ret paladins, TSG, wizardcleave, ele shamans, frost DK's... There was no way that shit was less bursty.

Hm ok. Seems you have more experience with wotlk than I have.
I didnt play 3v3, i only played 2v2. And very casual. Remember playing rogue with a warlock and the fights didnt end in 10sec or so.
I remember dueling a mage as warrior and it felt fun. You had moves you could do and not just one move but felt like real decisions.
Wotlk wasnt by any means perfect pvp experience it just felt better.

EDIT: ahh i remember now at the start of wotlk, ret paladins and dks Were INSANE.
I think i played arena after 1 or 2 patches big patches that changed around alot of classes.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 06 2016 13:13 GMT
#2005
World first race will start;
Tuesday, September 20–The Emerald Nightmare Raid dungeon opens on Normal and Heroic difficulties. Mythic Keystones will begin dropping which will allow increased challenge and rewards from Mythic dungeons.

Then it will be pretty much Serenity vs the world as im pretty confident they will win hands down. I guess Exorsus the Russian guild is going to probably be their only challenge. Method picked up a couple of decent players but not enough and they are all pretty unchecked grinding together aka progressing as they all joined up after Serenity/Method won the race.
Paragon quit again and half of them remade another guild on lightning blade i think not sure what they are doing with that one. All the top NA guilds died too, the Aussie guild last year that was doing ok was abusing bugs so i doubt they will be about.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-06 13:43:03
September 06 2016 13:22 GMT
#2006
That seems really hard right now but with a little more gear I don't think it'll be too bad. If everyone gets two stacks of lava and the healer heals through that while you wait for 15 more patches to come out and you get the boss down to 0.1%, then you can spread out, use all cooldowns, pick up three more each and pop the boss before it can tick twice (assuming health pool + cooldown can get you through one tick).


The lava ticks on you for 10 seconds and then expires

After you take 6, you have this huge DOT on you and you take triple damage from it, this does something like milions of damage per second for 10 seconds which we were just not able to survive even for the 1-2 seconds that it takes for everybody to sync up getting the debuff

Maybe the DOT rolls over rather than refreshing when you take a new stack, will try waiting longer before picking more up

Yeah, Legion Mythics = Cata Heroics, punishing at low ilvl, fairly easy at intended ilvl.


We're most definitely over the intended ilvl
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
September 06 2016 13:25 GMT
#2007
2v2 in wotlk was quite slow indeed, and survivability and burst varied a lot between classes.

Over time all wow combat has gotten twitchier, which i guess makes pvp feel very bursty (cds, shorter casts, resource generation) even if the actual time to kill is similar, when not counting cast time.
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
September 06 2016 13:32 GMT
#2008
Thats an interesting perspective of it. I dont think its the case though but i can ofcourse be wrong.
In wotlk, didnt rogue have faster globals? I know warriors did have faster globals, they had overpower as base kit and also that other attack which had no globalcooldown with other abiilities.

Destro locks had that "reduce cast time and global by 30%" as base.
So globals was actually faster in wotlk yet felt like longer fights and more skillful fights.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-06 13:43:45
September 06 2016 13:39 GMT
#2009
TBC had longer fights though a lot of people focusing on health and resilience over damage stats, WOTLK still had resilience.

I have not seen people mixing two pieces of set X and three pieces of set Y for the double bonus "pvp defense power" or gemming health / "pvp defense power" in WOD/Legion
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
September 06 2016 13:49 GMT
#2010
iam pretty sure set bonuses are turned off for pvp
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-06 14:08:18
September 06 2016 13:53 GMT
#2011
Anyone know the point of getting revered with The Wardens? This guide recommends doing it in the to-do list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TiiI4huz4NXKfx7PGvvVTyP6xu8VaDNZ4-FEn69mOhc

On September 06 2016 22:22 Cyro wrote:
The lava ticks on you for 10 seconds and then expires

If it's only 10 sec duration then I guess you gotta wait until there's 25 lava patches, or about to be 25 lava patches, if that's even possible. Fully stacked (well, 5 stacks) I think it'll do 2.6M every three seconds so that's pretty rough. If it's as intended right now then that's the only thing I can think that Blizzard has in mind. Hold DPS and let the whole room fill with lava and then scramble for it.

Another thing to test would be if you can get the achievement when everyone else in your group is dead. Because then you can get the boss to 0.1%, 2-3 people die, and the other 2-3 soak up and pop him. Otherwise, I'd consider trying to 4 man at least, since the third DPS is more of a hindrance than a help.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22488 Posts
September 06 2016 14:00 GMT
#2012
On September 06 2016 22:53 NonY wrote:
Anyone know the point of getting revered with The Wardens? This guide recommends doing it in the to-do list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TiiI4huz4NXKfx7PGvvVTyP6xu8VaDNZ4-FEn69mOhc

Show nested quote +
On September 06 2016 22:22 Cyro wrote:
The lava ticks on you for 10 seconds and then expires

If it's only 10 sec duration then I guess you gotta wait until there's 25 lava patches, or about to be 25 lava patches, if that's even possible. Fully stacked I think it'll do 2.6M every three seconds so that's pretty rough. If it's as intended right now then that's the only thing I can think that Blizzard has in mind. Hold DPS and let the whole room fill with lava.

No idea why you want Warden rep

Nothing special from them
http://www.wowhead.com/faction=1894/the-wardens

just some 820 boots and a shoulder enchant that gives a chance to loot Blood of Sargeras but I have had 0 trouble getting enough of those.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-06 14:05:09
September 06 2016 14:02 GMT
#2013
On September 06 2016 23:00 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2016 22:53 NonY wrote:
Anyone know the point of getting revered with The Wardens? This guide recommends doing it in the to-do list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TiiI4huz4NXKfx7PGvvVTyP6xu8VaDNZ4-FEn69mOhc

On September 06 2016 22:22 Cyro wrote:
The lava ticks on you for 10 seconds and then expires

If it's only 10 sec duration then I guess you gotta wait until there's 25 lava patches, or about to be 25 lava patches, if that's even possible. Fully stacked I think it'll do 2.6M every three seconds so that's pretty rough. If it's as intended right now then that's the only thing I can think that Blizzard has in mind. Hold DPS and let the whole room fill with lava.

No idea why you want Warden rep

Nothing special from them
http://www.wowhead.com/faction=1894/the-wardens

just some 820 boots and a shoulder enchant that gives a chance to loot Blood of Sargeras but I have had 0 trouble getting enough of those.

Yeah, the quartermaster has nothing interesting but I was wondering if it was like Nightfallen where there's more significance than the quartermaster.

edit: Maybe that policy was put into the guide when Blood of Sargeras was assumed to be harder to gather? Only thing I can think of atm.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 06 2016 14:08 GMT
#2014
App when!? I need something to do at work lol.
It's your boy Guzma!
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 06 2016 14:11 GMT
#2015
Haha i second that Requizen! GIEF APP!
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
September 06 2016 14:53 GMT
#2016
On September 06 2016 22:53 NonY wrote:
Anyone know the point of getting revered with The Wardens? This guide recommends doing it in the to-do list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TiiI4huz4NXKfx7PGvvVTyP6xu8VaDNZ4-FEn69mOhc

Show nested quote +
On September 06 2016 22:22 Cyro wrote:
The lava ticks on you for 10 seconds and then expires

If it's only 10 sec duration then I guess you gotta wait until there's 25 lava patches, or about to be 25 lava patches, if that's even possible. Fully stacked (well, 5 stacks) I think it'll do 2.6M every three seconds so that's pretty rough. If it's as intended right now then that's the only thing I can think that Blizzard has in mind. Hold DPS and let the whole room fill with lava and then scramble for it.

Another thing to test would be if you can get the achievement when everyone else in your group is dead. Because then you can get the boss to 0.1%, 2-3 people die, and the other 2-3 soak up and pop him. Otherwise, I'd consider trying to 4 man at least, since the third DPS is more of a hindrance than a help.


You need two revered reps for part of the class hall armor set at least

Will try this stuff

Adds are kinda a problem without dps but it's manageable
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
September 06 2016 15:39 GMT
#2017
wotlk was the most bursty expansion in pvp. A lot has to do with stats like haste+arpen stacking, bloodlust, PVE gear (DBW, Shadowmourne were the big culprit. Resilience was good but instantly killing players is better). There are more reaaons but yeah
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-06 16:45:07
September 06 2016 16:42 GMT
#2018
Was WOTLK the one with Magecleave? I do remember playing Frost DK with the relic from Ulduar rofl.

Also, Shadowfrost build.
WriterXiao8~~
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
September 06 2016 16:53 GMT
#2019
at the end of wrath wizardcleaves were the tier 1 comps, MLD and LSD. I'm pretty sure DK's only ran unholy at Wrath and ran either TSG or the occasional Shadowcleave and PHD.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
September 06 2016 16:58 GMT
#2020
There was a short stint where Hungering Cold had a low cooldown, was instant and didn't cost any RP with a Glyph iirc

got nerfed pretty fast tho.
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