On August 08 2015 01:18 JimmiC wrote: He so lucky he's freaky good because otherwise he not only would be out of the league but he would be in jail. He might end up there anyways!
He is just like Josh Gordon, young and being stupid. We all did dumb things when we were young and I dont hold it against them. If I had that talent and millions of dollars I would be doing the same thing. The NFL needs to give them a break.
Not like Gordon. Gordon's last mistake was on his team almost as much as it was on him. Plus mostly a victim of insanely stupid rules.
You want to take painkillers (pharmacutical heroin) for your back/knees that's fine. But smoke a joint and they want to throw the book at you.
On August 08 2015 01:18 JimmiC wrote: He so lucky he's freaky good because otherwise he not only would be out of the league but he would be in jail. He might end up there anyways!
He is just like Josh Gordon, young and being stupid. We all did dumb things when we were young and I dont hold it against them. If I had that talent and millions of dollars I would be doing the same thing. The NFL needs to give them a break.
Not like Gordon. Gordon's last mistake was on his team almost as much as it was on him. Plus mostly a victim of insanely stupid rules.
You want to take painkillers (pharmacutical heroin) for your back/knees that's fine. But smoke a joint and they want to throw the book at you.
Diamorphine is on WADAs list of doping (tangentially relevant as it is not the same list the NFL uses, however it seems greatly inspired from WADA). Furthermore the NFL explicitly states that they are (in principle) testing for opioids, however the wording is vague on whether they test for all opioids or just morphine/oxycodone. That there is a widespread misuse of opioids NFL-players is probably hardly surprising, but it is at least in theory not condoned by the NFL and they would throw the book after you were you caught with opioids just as with joints. It might be possible to get a TUE for opioids, but I've been unable to find anything explicitly clarifying that.
On August 08 2015 01:18 JimmiC wrote: He so lucky he's freaky good because otherwise he not only would be out of the league but he would be in jail. He might end up there anyways!
He is just like Josh Gordon, young and being stupid. We all did dumb things when we were young and I dont hold it against them. If I had that talent and millions of dollars I would be doing the same thing. The NFL needs to give them a break.
Not like Gordon. Gordon's last mistake was on his team almost as much as it was on him. Plus mostly a victim of insanely stupid rules.
You want to take painkillers (pharmacutical heroin) for your back/knees that's fine. But smoke a joint and they want to throw the book at you.
Diamorphine is on WADAs list of doping (tangentially relevant as it is not the same list the NFL uses, however it seems greatly inspired from WADA). Furthermore the NFL explicitly states that they are (in principle) testing for opioids, however the wording is vague on whether they test for all opioids or just morphine/oxycodone. That there is a widespread misuse of opioids NFL-players is probably hardly surprising, but it is at least in theory not condoned by the NFL and they would throw the book after you were you caught with opioids just as with joints. It might be possible to get a TUE for opioids, but I've been unable to find anything explicitly clarifying that.
You know as well as anyone how testing for substances go and how whether they explicitly allow it or not players are taking various opiates and other drugs for pain. All of which have worse side effects than cannabis. The main point on Gordon was that you can't compare what he did recently with that other stuff.
When I asked the question "Who will be out of the league first, Aldon Smith or Josh Gordon?" in this thread last season, I didn't think we'd get a resolution so quickly. What a moron.
Smith is no different than Johnny Manziel, a addict with a problem. He needs to be put in a rehab not jail then released to play again so he has a future.
On August 08 2015 01:18 JimmiC wrote: He so lucky he's freaky good because otherwise he not only would be out of the league but he would be in jail. He might end up there anyways!
He is just like Josh Gordon, young and being stupid. We all did dumb things when we were young and I dont hold it against them. If I had that talent and millions of dollars I would be doing the same thing. The NFL needs to give them a break.
Not like Gordon. Gordon's last mistake was on his team almost as much as it was on him. Plus mostly a victim of insanely stupid rules.
You want to take painkillers (pharmacutical heroin) for your back/knees that's fine. But smoke a joint and they want to throw the book at you.
Diamorphine is on WADAs list of doping (tangentially relevant as it is not the same list the NFL uses, however it seems greatly inspired from WADA). Furthermore the NFL explicitly states that they are (in principle) testing for opioids, however the wording is vague on whether they test for all opioids or just morphine/oxycodone. That there is a widespread misuse of opioids NFL-players is probably hardly surprising, but it is at least in theory not condoned by the NFL and they would throw the book after you were you caught with opioids just as with joints. It might be possible to get a TUE for opioids, but I've been unable to find anything explicitly clarifying that.
You know as well as anyone how testing for substances go and how whether they explicitly allow it or not players are taking various opiates and other drugs for pain. All of which have worse side effects than cannabis. The main point on Gordon was that you can't compare what he did recently with that other stuff.
I agree that it is doubtful that the NFL is actually testing for opioids - but the entire NFL anti-doping is one of the biggest jokes in the world of sports. However, comparing a treatment with highly effective drugs to recreational use of cannabis is also a flawed comparison. Cannabis is really not a good choice of pain medication for muscle and joint pain.
On August 08 2015 01:18 JimmiC wrote: He so lucky he's freaky good because otherwise he not only would be out of the league but he would be in jail. He might end up there anyways!
He is just like Josh Gordon, young and being stupid. We all did dumb things when we were young and I dont hold it against them. If I had that talent and millions of dollars I would be doing the same thing. The NFL needs to give them a break.
Not like Gordon. Gordon's last mistake was on his team almost as much as it was on him. Plus mostly a victim of insanely stupid rules.
You want to take painkillers (pharmacutical heroin) for your back/knees that's fine. But smoke a joint and they want to throw the book at you.
Diamorphine is on WADAs list of doping (tangentially relevant as it is not the same list the NFL uses, however it seems greatly inspired from WADA). Furthermore the NFL explicitly states that they are (in principle) testing for opioids, however the wording is vague on whether they test for all opioids or just morphine/oxycodone. That there is a widespread misuse of opioids NFL-players is probably hardly surprising, but it is at least in theory not condoned by the NFL and they would throw the book after you were you caught with opioids just as with joints. It might be possible to get a TUE for opioids, but I've been unable to find anything explicitly clarifying that.
You know as well as anyone how testing for substances go and how whether they explicitly allow it or not players are taking various opiates and other drugs for pain. All of which have worse side effects than cannabis. The main point on Gordon was that you can't compare what he did recently with that other stuff.
I agree that it is doubtful that the NFL is actually testing for opioids - but the entire NFL anti-doping is one of the biggest jokes in the world of sports. However, comparing a treatment with highly effective drugs to recreational use of cannabis is also a flawed comparison. Cannabis is really not a good choice of pain medication for muscle and joint pain.
There are a LOT of veterans that have taken both and seriously disagree. Particularly when it's (and it usually is) used together. They are able to take MUCH less opioids and have a much clearer head. I've personally talked with many of them and their families and seen the differences as they reduced their consumption of the drugs prescribed at places like "candy land".
My opinion is gtfo of his recreational time, the biggest problem is that cannabis testing is flat out stupid. By which I mean how they determine whether one is positive or negative on their results. If someone smokes a few joints over the weekend they will piss dirty the next weekend probably longer (maybe not pro athletes though). If someone gets blackout drunk and smokes meth, they won't test positive by Thursday. That we catch more cannabis users than other drugs is about how we test and metabolism and the risk factor doesn't even come into the calculation.
Not even touching why Manziel would get away with more crap without being arrested than others...
Pain isn't simply pain. Those vets are taking it mostly for neuropathic pain following intense trauma - the pain mechanism is COMPLETELY different than muscle/joint pain.
Be that as it may, my problem is (as you know) not with cannabis. However, justifying recreational use of a drug with the argument that a drug used for treatment of severe and life-shattering diseases has the potential to be worse is a faulty line of logic. Using that logic cocaine isnt that bad of a drug for recreational use - after all chemotherapy exists (extreme example).
Of course drugs with a long half-time is more likely to show up in a drug test - that is simple math and doesn't tell you anything about if the NFL is cracking down harder on such a drug than any other drug - it just tells you what they find. There is a reason why it has been a while since the last pro-cyclist was found to be doping with EPO and it is not that they have stopped using it. It is because they have gotten smarter at using it.
Manziel has been under more scrutiny without having actually done shot like failing a test or getting a DUI than virtually anyone else's once day one. Saying that he got away with shit that smith and Gordon did not is some grade a race baiting bullshit
Manziel is basically what people always say when they see rich athletes get in trouble: Why can't you get a taxi/limo and eat the parking ticket? Why cant you have someone in your entourage be the DD? The evidence is he does that.
On August 08 2015 17:23 Ghostcom wrote: Pain isn't simply pain. Those vets are taking it mostly for neuropathic pain following intense trauma - the pain mechanism is COMPLETELY different than muscle/joint pain.
Be that as it may, my problem is (as you know) not with cannabis. However, justifying recreational use of a drug with the argument that a drug used for treatment of severe and life-shattering diseases has the potential to be worse is a faulty line of logic. Using that logic cocaine isnt that bad of a drug for recreational use - after all chemotherapy exists (extreme example).
Of course drugs with a long half-time is more likely to show up in a drug test - that is simple math and doesn't tell you anything about if the NFL is cracking down harder on such a drug than any other drug - it just tells you what they find. There is a reason why it has been a while since the last pro-cyclist was found to be doping with EPO and it is not that they have stopped using it. It is because they have gotten smarter at using it.
good point about the different kinds of pain. battling tendonitis and battling neuropathic pain is very different.
i think you mean "half life" rather than "half-time".
everyone's favorite insane person steve smith said he's retiring after this year
i must admit he had a hell of a career for a guy who i thought was a flash in the pan ages ago. Imagine him having a real qb instead of Delhomme in his prime??
EPT
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