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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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whatisthisasheep
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FatChicksUnited
Canada214 Posts
On June 02 2015 07:48 whatisthisasheep wrote: I just find it disappointing that out of all of the young QB's in the NFL, the one with the most raw talent is the least respected. Cam is stronger, faster, smarter, and more accurate Than Wilson, Kapenick, Tannehill, RG3, and Luck but gets shit because he got drafted by team of simpletons. If Cam was drafted by the Colts, Seahawks, Niners, Redskins, or Dolphins he would have a ring by now. The man deserves some respect and a big payday. Cam's not all of those things to all of those other quarterbacks, but you could definitely pick each other QB and say Cam has one or two things better than him. He's dragged his team to the playoffs twice now, with a turnstile O-Line and scarecrows for receivers last year. He definitely deserves all the money he's about to get. Fingers crossed they find a way to surround him with more talent, especially an o-line. | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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whatisthisasheep
624 Posts
On June 02 2015 10:49 JimmiC wrote: Wait your saying the skins are well run? Please. I think it's common thought tgat he is better then tannehill and rg3. He's not better then luck. Wilson is debatable but time will tell. If cam had the unit rg3 had his rookie season, he would have made it to the Super Bowl. Luck is a inception machine who has lost badly to easier opponents in the post season. Cam lost to the Niners and the Seahawks while they were in their prime in the playoffs. No shame in that. cam has better intangibles than andrew. Only thing Andrew has over cam is motivation and leadership. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On June 02 2015 11:01 whatisthisasheep wrote: cam has better intangibles than andrew. Only thing Andrew has over cam is motivation and leadership. Are you aware of what intangible means? | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 02 2015 11:01 whatisthisasheep wrote: If cam had the unit rg3 had his rookie season, he would have made it to the Super Bowl. Nope. I doubt any QB would. On June 02 2015 11:01 whatisthisasheep wrote: Luck is a inception machine who has lost badly to easier opponents in the post season. Untrue, and Luck's team is worse than Cam's. On June 02 2015 11:01 whatisthisasheep wrote: Cam lost to the Niners and the Seahawks while they were in their prime in the playoffs. No shame in that. True On June 02 2015 11:01 whatisthisasheep wrote: cam has better intangibles than andrew. Only thing Andrew has over cam is motivation and leadership. #1. Intangibles are fake, and #2 what else are intangibles than those two things? | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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Spiller
United States106 Posts
Luck is a inception machine who has lost badly to easier opponents in the post season. Luck has a career 2.4 interception percentage (aka what percentage of his attempted passes were intercepted) Newton has a career 2.8 interception percentage Also Andrew Luck's 3 playoff losses are to the Ravens and the Patriots twice. Also Also, saying that Cam is more accurate than those other young QBs automatically invalidates anything else you say. | ||
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whatisthisasheep
624 Posts
On June 02 2015 11:27 cLutZ wrote: Nope. I doubt any QB would. Untrue, and Luck's team is worse than Cam's. True #1. Intangibles are fake, and #2 what else are intangibles than those two things? Hell even RG3 wpuld have had a chance to take the redskins to the superbowl if he didnt get injured. Cam was still more talented than RG3 and is stronger than RG3 so he wouldn't have got injured during the game. So yes, cam could could have taken Washington to the superbowl. At least luck had a team. He had actual players that could generate points like reggie wayne. Cam had nobody. If cam was the colts qb they wouldnt have lost to the Broncos. They would have still lost to the Patriots last year however Football intangibles: coachability, mental toughness, consistency, moxie, character, potential, competitiveness, work ethic, Leadership, and poise. Luck has the better Leadership intangible. Cam has better everything else. 49ers and Seahawks were NFC teams that were steamrolling over the other divisions. Ravens and Patriots were lower echelon at that point which makes luck losing to them that much worse. Cam would have lost to the pats, but not by 40+ points | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On June 02 2015 11:54 whatisthisasheep wrote: Football intangibles: coachability, mental toughness, consistency, moxie, character, potential, competitiveness, work ethic, Leadership, and poise. Luck has the better Leadership intangible. Cam has better everything else. Based on everything I have read/heard about the two, I'd say Luck has Cam in every category there except I guess potential because Cam is a freak of a human being, and I feel like potential is almost a tangible in a way(it's basically saying 'this person's measurables are better, so they could in theory become a better player,' which hinges upon the tangible: measurables). | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
Cam will get his big bucks. Anyone with that kind of freakish athleticism and potential always does. Success doesn't always follow of course... | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 02 2015 15:48 DannyJ wrote: Yeah I'd personally I'd take Luck without a doubt because of the heart and attitude he's displayed. Cam will get his big bucks. Anyone with that kind of freakish athleticism and potential always does. Success doesn't always follow of course... Oh yes, the heart and attitude. Not that he's the best QB prospect since Peyton Manning (minimum) and is already the 2nd best QB in the NFL. | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
On June 02 2015 16:04 cLutZ wrote: Oh yes, the heart and attitude. Not that he's the best QB prospect since Peyton Manning (minimum) and is already the 2nd best QB in the NFL. Are you insane Luck isn't even top 5 yet, much less the second best, and not even the best thus far from his generation of quarterbacks. Hes very good right now, but hes no where near the second best in the league lol. In no paticular order if I wanted to win a super bowl the next year I'd take Rodgers Brady Romo Big Ben, Wilson, Brees, Rivers and Peyton over him. Hes good now and may very well be great some day, but hes not the second best qb in the league lol. | ||
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hatestabkill
10 Posts
On June 02 2015 16:37 Jaaaaasper wrote: Are you insane Luck isn't even top 5 yet, much less the second best, and not even the best thus far from his generation of quarterbacks. Hes very good right now, but hes no where near the second best in the league lol. In no paticular order if I wanted to win a super bowl the next year I'd take Rodgers Brady Romo Big Ben, Wilson, Brees, Rivers and Peyton over him. Hes good now and may very well be great some day, but hes not the second best qb in the league lol. Please. Rodgers is probs the only quarterback I'd take over Luck right now. The only thing any of those QBs have (except Wilson) that Luck doesn't is more years of experience, and it's not like he hasn't been to the playoffs in all three of his NFL seasons, and also improved in all of those seasons. The only QB besides Rodgers you could remotely argue for taking over Luck to win a SB right now is Brady, and I'm of the opinion that 1) if you put Brady on any non-Belichick coached team he'd immediately be closer to an average QB in terms of wins and production and 2) if you put any non-Brady QB on a Belichick coached team he'd immediately be near the top of the league in terms of wins and production. Peyton's just too old, sad to say. I've always liked the guy, and I wouldn't doubt that he's the sharpest QB in the league; if you put his brain in Luck's body...wow. But the fact is we've seen his physical ability to play the position decline fairly drastically. His most recent playoff loss was to...Andrew Luck and the Colts. In Denver. And those Denver teams have been stacked all over the roster, not just QB. There is literally no other quarterback for whom I could imagine a rational argument about being better than Luck presented. Unless you took Peyton's brain and put in in Andrew Luck's body then hired Bill Belichick to coach him. I gotta agree with the "second best" assessment though. | ||
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giftdgecko
United States2126 Posts
Luck has always played with a terrible defense, good receivers, and no run game; while Cam has played with steve smith + brandon lafell, a solid defense, and a run game. That team was also way better than the (evidentally superbowl favorited?) redskins team sheep keeps bringing up. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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whatisthisasheep
624 Posts
On June 02 2015 16:04 cLutZ wrote: Oh yes, the heart and attitude. Not that he's the best QB prospect since Peyton Manning (minimum) and is already the 2nd best QB in the NFL. Luck does not have the amount of heart Cam has. Luck lacked the ability to rally during the Patriots and Broncos playoff games. Cam flips his car, breaks his back, and a couple weeks later plays a tough playoff game. Thats heart. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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