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That's my problem with it. I've seen QBs execute 30-second FG drills before. But I've never seen a successful running play in that time. Seems like the chance to do one is virtually nil. Not to mention coaches seem to frequently try this thing with an RB with an injury history.
A competent QB can complete a series of 10-15 yard out passes to the sidelines. Every incomplete pass doesn't waste much time. An RB pretty much has to get 25-30+ yards on his one chance since it is highly unlikely that he'll be able to bust a long run and go out of bounds at the same time. And even then your QB still has to complete a few passes to get closer to FG range.
Throwing does has more risk but it also has more reward. My experience with the running strategy is the reward is pretty much zero.
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On September 19 2015 04:48 andrewlt wrote:
That's my problem with it. I've seen QBs execute 30-second FG drills before. But I've never seen a successful running play in that time. Seems like the chance to do one is virtually nil. Not to mention coaches seem to frequently try this thing with an RB with an injury history.
A competent QB can complete a series of 10-15 yard out passes to the sidelines. Every incomplete pass doesn't waste much time. An RB pretty much has to get 25-30+ yards on his one chance since it is highly unlikely that he'll be able to bust a long run and go out of bounds at the same time. And even then your QB still has to complete a few passes to get closer to FG range.
Throwing does has more risk but it also has more reward. My experience with the running strategy is the reward is pretty much zero.
I didn't see Bill Barnwell's twitter last night, but he usually blows up at things like this. There's way more bad things that can happen than good ones, and even if you get 20 yards from a draw, you haven't built up that large of an advantage for accepting so much risk.
On September 19 2015 01:35 xDaunt wrote:
Why the hell are the Steelers laying 6 points to the Niners? That is way too high.
Because they're the better team, they're at home, and they're immensely popular.
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considering they are at home i would say its way too low lol. i mean they dont have the best line but its certainly 50x better then the vikings. i wouldnt be surprised if steelers win by 14+
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I know this was discussed a bit during the game last night, but I just can't get over it.
Gary Kubiak, who has a losing record over about 8 seasons as an NFL head coach, tried instituting his offense when he had one of the greatest playcallers in the history of football running the current offense to great success. I can't get over how arrogant this is.
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On September 19 2015 11:16 AgentW wrote:
I know this was discussed a bit during the game last night, but I just can't get over it.
Gary Kubiak, who has a losing record over about 8 seasons as an NFL head coach, tried instituting his offense when he had one of the greatest playcallers in the history of football running the current offense to great success. I can't get over how arrogant this is.
John Fox did the same thing. Remember in 2012 the Broncos started out pretty rough and got somewhat embarrassed on national TV against the Falcons in Week 2 except for a late barrage. They played the Chargers pretty early in the year and were down something like 21-0 at the half, and ended up winning like 35-21 I believe? It was at that point where Peyton went back to his no-huddle style and abandoned the offense that his coach wanted him to run.
Keep in mind that the Chiefs were missing Sean Smith, who is one of the top CB's in the league. It's actually pretty weird, he got a DUI and the league's rules at the time were simply a fine. A month later they changed the ruling to a two game suspension and applied it to Smith's punishment, and they gave Smith one extra game because he hit a pole. Obviously makes no sense and no Chief fans understand why he didn't appeal, but on the other hand, I don't really have any sympathy for someone who got a DUI so it's whatever. But Manning targeted Fleming that entire second half and that would normally be Sean Smith, who is infinitely better. Now, would we have won? Who knows, the Broncos have owned the Chiefs the past few years. We can beat the Seahawks, the Patriots, the Chargers, and even the freaking Rams, all teams who have beat the Broncos, but we just can't top Denver.
I was at the game so I don't know what all Nantz and Simms talked about, but like I said earlier Manning picked on Fleming the entire second half. Before that, he tried to pick on Marcus Peters... and that was a mistake. It seems like a good idea cause he's a rookie, but Peters is a freaking stud and he's gonna be one of the best corners in the league soon. Despite his problems in college, he's already become a leader on the team which is crazy. Before the Chiefs' drive in the 4th quarter that ended in the touchdown, Peters went up to Alex Smith and basically told him to score the freaking ball. This worry might be irrational, but considering he grew up a Raiders fan.. my only worry is if KC is gonna be able to keep him. Regardless, he was feeding off the crowd noise last night and was loving every second of it.
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On September 19 2015 14:28 GoShox wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2015 11:16 AgentW wrote:
I know this was discussed a bit during the game last night, but I just can't get over it.
Gary Kubiak, who has a losing record over about 8 seasons as an NFL head coach, tried instituting his offense when he had one of the greatest playcallers in the history of football running the current offense to great success. I can't get over how arrogant this is. John Fox did the same thing. Remember in 2012 the Broncos started out pretty rough and got somewhat embarrassed on national TV against the Falcons in Week 2 except for a late barrage. They played the Chargers pretty early in the year and were down something like 21-0 at the half, and ended up winning like 35-21 I believe? It was at that point where Peyton went back to his no-huddle style and abandoned the offense that his coach wanted him to run. Keep in mind that the Chiefs were missing Sean Smith, who is one of the top CB's in the league. It's actually pretty weird, he got a DUI and the league's rules at the time were simply a fine. A month later they changed the ruling to a two game suspension and applied it to Smith's punishment, and they gave Smith one extra game because he hit a pole. Obviously makes no sense and no Chief fans understand why he didn't appeal, but on the other hand, I don't really have any sympathy for someone who got a DUI so it's whatever. But Manning targeted Fleming that entire second half and that would normally be Sean Smith, who is infinitely better. Now, would we have won? Who knows, the Broncos have owned the Chiefs the past few years. We can beat the Seahawks, the Patriots, the Chargers, and even the freaking Rams, all teams who have beat the Broncos, but we just can't top Denver. I was at the game so I don't know what all Nantz and Simms talked about, but like I said earlier Manning picked on Fleming the entire second half. Before that, he tried to pick on Marcus Peters... and that was a mistake. It seems like a good idea cause he's a rookie, but Peters is a freaking stud and he's gonna be one of the best corners in the league soon. Despite his problems in college, he's already become a leader on the team which is crazy. Before the Chiefs' drive in the 4th quarter that ended in the touchdown, Peters went up to Alex Smith and basically told him to score the freaking ball. This worry might be irrational, but considering he grew up a Raiders fan.. my only worry is if KC is gonna be able to keep him. Regardless, he was feeding off the crowd noise last night and was loving every second of it.
I know who Smith is and would have recognized him had he played, but since I don't know Peters or Fleming from Adam, I can't say if he was picking on Fleming. From what I read of the next day fare, Peters looked like a stud last night, but again, most of the guys in red were the same to me.
I see KC being very, very similar to the Bills this year. They probably have a better running game, but the idea's the same: they're gonna play ball control on offense, rush the crap out of your QB, and be really loud at home. I think neither are SB contenders because of their limited offensive capabilities, but they should be 9 or 10 win teams and be really tough to beat at home.
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On September 19 2015 11:16 AgentW wrote:
I know this was discussed a bit during the game last night, but I just can't get over it.
Gary Kubiak, who has a losing record over about 8 seasons as an NFL head coach, tried instituting his offense when he had one of the greatest playcallers in the history of football running the current offense to great success. I can't get over how arrogant this is.
I don't think that's the problem. Plenty of coaches install their own offense unless they think their team doesn't have the personnel to handle it. The biggest concern is that Kubiak is supposed to be an O-line specialist who can install a running game to compensate for Manning getting older. The O-line has been the weakest link so far this season. They can't run and they can't pass protect.
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So of the games this Sunday, I'm really intrigued by the Patriots-Bills matchup, Rex vs. Belicheck with a different team. Have to see if it turns out like Rex's first game against the Pats when he was with the Jets. Speaking of the Jets, I was giving them absolutely no chance vs Indy this week, but all the analysts I've seen seem to think the game will be close. If the Jets can force turnovers and run the ball, they sure have a chance, but Andrew Luck isn't Johnny Manziel/Josh McCown, so I don't see that being likely on the road on MNF against a team with Super Bowl aspirations.
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On September 20 2015 01:39 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2015 11:16 AgentW wrote:
I know this was discussed a bit during the game last night, but I just can't get over it.
Gary Kubiak, who has a losing record over about 8 seasons as an NFL head coach, tried instituting his offense when he had one of the greatest playcallers in the history of football running the current offense to great success. I can't get over how arrogant this is. I don't think that's the problem. Plenty of coaches install their own offense unless they think their team doesn't have the personnel to handle it. The biggest concern is that Kubiak is supposed to be an O-line specialist who can install a running game to compensate for Manning getting older. The O-line has been the weakest link so far this season. They can't run and they can't pass protect.
Not only that, but Gary Kubiak was specifically brought in to install his own offense that the GM (John Elway) prefers. The belief is that Peyton Manning's offense will no longer work at his diminished level of play and thus they need a stronger run game in a very similar way to how John Elway won his Superbowls at the end of his career. So Kubiak was brought in to do it.
So far, it hasn't worked and the Broncos offense has looked poor, except at the end of the Chiefs game. It's possible that Kubiak doesn't have the right guys to work with on the offensive line or maybe he just needs more time. Perhaps he'll find a proper hybrid of Manning's old offense and his own offense that will work wonders before the season is done.
It's also possible that he's just not that good at what he's supposed to be good at. Time will tell. Unfortunately, Manning isn't getting any younger in the meantime.
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It's not an issue of installing an offeense or another. The running game in Manning's old Indy offense is really similar Kubiak's (mostly zone/stretch plays); the problem is that no amount of clever plays is ever going to work if you can't block for shit.
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Yeah, the o-line is the source of the Bronco's woes. And their receivers catching with their pads and not their hands - there were so many bad catches vs KC.
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Donte Moncrief vs. the Jets or Alshon Jeffery vs. the Cardinals this week? It's been killing me.
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On September 20 2015 19:37 Titusmaster6 wrote:
Donte Moncrief vs. the Jets or Alshon Jeffery vs. the Cardinals this week? It's been killing me.
T Y Hilton seems fairly likely to play at this point so I'd lean towards Jeffery, as long as he plays. Ideally you keep an eye on the inactives list and then if Jeffery is declared inactive before the game you'll have time to take him out.
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On September 20 2015 14:31 LeeDawg wrote:
So of the games this Sunday, I'm really intrigued by the Patriots-Bills matchup, Rex vs. Belicheck with a different team. Have to see if it turns out like Rex's first game against the Pats when he was with the Jets. Speaking of the Jets, I was giving them absolutely no chance vs Indy this week, but all the analysts I've seen seem to think the game will be close. If the Jets can force turnovers and run the ball, they sure have a chance, but Andrew Luck isn't Johnny Manziel/Josh McCown, so I don't see that being likely on the road on MNF against a team with Super Bowl aspirations.
Could be said about any team in any game 
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On September 20 2015 20:23 Josh124 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 19:37 Titusmaster6 wrote:
Donte Moncrief vs. the Jets or Alshon Jeffery vs. the Cardinals this week? It's been killing me. T Y Hilton seems fairly likely to play at this point so I'd lean towards Jeffery, as long as he plays. Ideally you keep an eye on the inactives list and then if Jeffery is declared inactive before the game you'll have time to take him out.
Nvm Jeffery is out. Thanks though
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yo the vulturing situation in buffalo is getting ridic, give me those shady tds rex you mongol
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United States97276 Posts
Manziel showing Mariota what a real NFL QB looks like
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So just how bad is Jameis Winston then?
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Bills getting flagged to death - such a boring game.
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