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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-25 21:43:37
October 25 2014 21:37 GMT
#17241
On October 26 2014 06:26 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 06:24 y0su wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:23 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:20 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:16 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:15 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:13 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:10 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:06 IntoTheheart wrote:
[quote]
I'll look for it. I remember it was Morihaime talking about it.


http://www.warcry.com/news/view/129477-StarCraft-2-Legacy-of-the-Void-Campaign-Needs-More-Work-Blizzard-Says

I found it. Never mind, it looks like I didn't interpret it well. Basically, the tl;dr is that the story is more or less finished, but they're working on campaign mechanics to make it feel Protoss.


Thanks ! Quite an interesting viewpoint on the Protoss race.

I will say that while the stories haven't been the best of any vieo game I've ever played, it does feel like Blizzard can make the gameplay of the campaigns pretty fun. The Terran one felt like a desperate struggle, and the Zerg one felt like you were invincible after you gathered enough momentum. The Protoss one will probably have a "4gate very single map" challenge.

toss will almost certainly be a 300esque feel, i think Morhaime even said something like that in an interview...
though i really liked the original idea for the campaign (political game where you try to unite as many protoss clans as possible to have enough forces to defeat Amon)

I'm actually very much okay with a 300esque Protoss game, because if my reading into the Protoss lore is accurate, they're a fading light in the darkness, kinda like the Elves in the Lord of the Rings. They're here for now, but will soon disappear unless they really get their shit together. I wonder if you're gonna have a persistent unit count which decreases with time (you only get 1k Zealots for the campaign, so don't fuck up!) type of thing.

i imagine there willl be at least one or two mssions like this where its a mircofest for glory...and i def feel like at the end of each mission despite victory, it will feel like you barely made it out alive and though you won the battles you are losing the war.... we will see how they go about it but i am very excited, especially since it looks like they bringing back yellow toss from BW as the "theme color for the game, despite having green this whole time". so much nostalgia, but i wonder how they will balance out the respected rogue hero of Zeratul, who has been a real let down in SC2 in my opinion and the somehow selfless Kerrigan....if she is the key, why need zeratul and toss campaign? idk

Well, I feel like the reason he's been a letdown is because of the fact that he hasn't really shown up very often. He's kinda just been in the shadow, biding his time and waiting for the right moment to do the right thing.

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if there's been some sort of "corruption" among the Protoss that Zeratul needs to cleanse, and that's why he's been running along. Hopefully he'll try to redeem himself for killing his matriarch.

There's always something like that so that you can get your mirror match played a few times :D

Campaign mirror matches are really cool though. I don't think that I've explicitely disliked mirror matches in SC2, or even SC1 so far. They've just been a thrillride from beginning to end.

if i remember all the mirror matches from all starcraft

SC1:
T4: the installation match, pretty much a 1a game, but had some charm
T5: Raynor meets Kerrigan and they stealthed their way to take a base, was fun
T7: that awesome TvT with Duke
T8: that awesome TvT with Sarah
T10: that insanely long TvT with Raynor

Z7: Muta Guardian Hydra OP

P7: Tassadar Zeratul AND Fenix?! NOSTALGIA OP
P8: Raynor + Protoss?! NOSTALGIA OP

BW
P7: RIP Aldaris

T1: Pretty tricky for a level 1
T2: CATTLEBRUISER OPERATIONAL BITCHES
T4: The first choice map you had
T5: EPIC!!!!! :D

Z1: so much fun for a 1a mission
Z4: reallly fun reallly looooonng map
Z6: nooooo my bases!
Z8: soooo loonng
WoL:
the first level: meh, 1a OP
the second level: meh a, 1a OP
The ghost/spectre map: MICRO!
Train map: fuck new unit, tanku OP
Odin map: fuck this level...
Media Blitz: THORS!!!! ODIN!!!!
SEcret Mission: kinda misplaced honestly....

HotS:
Primal mission 1: MUTALISKS
Primal mssion 2: SWARM HOSTS
Primal mission 3: WTF IS THIS GAME?!


Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
October 25 2014 21:39 GMT
#17242
All of those were really fun.
kiss kiss fall in love
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
October 25 2014 21:42 GMT
#17243
On October 26 2014 06:39 IntoTheheart wrote:
All of those were really fun.

i didnt like the 2nd prophecy mission (hybrid/preservers)
but other than that yea, these were all pretty solid missions
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
October 25 2014 21:42 GMT
#17244
The zerg vs. split T/Z were also really, really fun and interesting as well. I really loved playing through them.
kiss kiss fall in love
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
October 25 2014 21:44 GMT
#17245
I loved the mission in the prison in WoL. Having your ally building up waves of armies while you use Tosh's abilities to finally break the defensive setup was really fun.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
October 25 2014 21:45 GMT
#17246
On October 26 2014 06:42 IntoTheheart wrote:
The zerg vs. split T/Z were also really, really fun and interesting as well. I really loved playing through them.

the UED + MC'd Zerg in BW? hell ya super long, and super challenging for me as a kid, but ya immensely epic, i loved the fourth mission, where you had to wipe the map and it was OVERFLOODED with enemies...hydras + ultras were so much fun on that map :D
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
October 25 2014 21:45 GMT
#17247
On October 26 2014 06:44 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I loved the mission in the prison in WoL. Having your ally building up waves of armies while you use Tosh's abilities to finally break the defensive setup was really fun.

yup that and the nova version were pretty fun
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-25 21:47:37
October 25 2014 21:46 GMT
#17248
On October 26 2014 06:37 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 06:26 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:24 y0su wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:23 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:20 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:16 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:15 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:13 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:10 IntoTheheart wrote:
[quote]

http://www.warcry.com/news/view/129477-StarCraft-2-Legacy-of-the-Void-Campaign-Needs-More-Work-Blizzard-Says

I found it. Never mind, it looks like I didn't interpret it well. Basically, the tl;dr is that the story is more or less finished, but they're working on campaign mechanics to make it feel Protoss.


Thanks ! Quite an interesting viewpoint on the Protoss race.

I will say that while the stories haven't been the best of any vieo game I've ever played, it does feel like Blizzard can make the gameplay of the campaigns pretty fun. The Terran one felt like a desperate struggle, and the Zerg one felt like you were invincible after you gathered enough momentum. The Protoss one will probably have a "4gate very single map" challenge.

toss will almost certainly be a 300esque feel, i think Morhaime even said something like that in an interview...
though i really liked the original idea for the campaign (political game where you try to unite as many protoss clans as possible to have enough forces to defeat Amon)

I'm actually very much okay with a 300esque Protoss game, because if my reading into the Protoss lore is accurate, they're a fading light in the darkness, kinda like the Elves in the Lord of the Rings. They're here for now, but will soon disappear unless they really get their shit together. I wonder if you're gonna have a persistent unit count which decreases with time (you only get 1k Zealots for the campaign, so don't fuck up!) type of thing.

i imagine there willl be at least one or two mssions like this where its a mircofest for glory...and i def feel like at the end of each mission despite victory, it will feel like you barely made it out alive and though you won the battles you are losing the war.... we will see how they go about it but i am very excited, especially since it looks like they bringing back yellow toss from BW as the "theme color for the game, despite having green this whole time". so much nostalgia, but i wonder how they will balance out the respected rogue hero of Zeratul, who has been a real let down in SC2 in my opinion and the somehow selfless Kerrigan....if she is the key, why need zeratul and toss campaign? idk

Well, I feel like the reason he's been a letdown is because of the fact that he hasn't really shown up very often. He's kinda just been in the shadow, biding his time and waiting for the right moment to do the right thing.

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if there's been some sort of "corruption" among the Protoss that Zeratul needs to cleanse, and that's why he's been running along. Hopefully he'll try to redeem himself for killing his matriarch.

There's always something like that so that you can get your mirror match played a few times :D

Campaign mirror matches are really cool though. I don't think that I've explicitely disliked mirror matches in SC2, or even SC1 so far. They've just been a thrillride from beginning to end.

if i remember all the mirror matches from all starcraft

SC1:
T4: the installation match, pretty much a 1a game, but had some charm
T5: Raynor meets Kerrigan and they stealthed their way to take a base, was fun
T7: that awesome TvT with Duke
T8: that awesome TvT with Sarah
T10: that insanely long TvT with Raynor

Z7: Muta Guardian Hydra OP

P7: Tassadar Zeratul AND Fenix?! NOSTALGIA OP
P8: Raynor + Protoss?! NOSTALGIA OP

BW
P7: RIP Aldaris

T1: Pretty tricky for a level 1
T2: CATTLEBRUISER OPERATIONAL BITCHES
T4: The first choice map you had
T5: EPIC!!!!! :D

My thoughts on it when I was 10 or 16 finally finishing it up were:
SC1:
T4: catered pretty well to my noob self. I liked it
T5: "Wait, I can just make mass marines and dropships. Siiiiick"
T7: 10yo: "This mission is impossible! There is no cow level" 16yo: "D-MATRIX TANK PUSH BITCHES"
T8: Take top left base, mass army, nuke key spots win ez pz
T10: 10yo: "...I'm just going to move to the Zerg campaign" 16yo: "This mission is still hard so I should budget a few hours to finish it"

Z7: "MASS HYDRALISK!!!"

P7: "How the hell are you supposed to do this mission?"
P8: see P7, still haven't done it...

BW
P7: "MIND CONTROL IS ALL I NEED"

T1: "I just won this in like 45 minutes with 2 tanks, 2 SCVs and turrets. Wait, there's a back door???"
T2: CATTLEBRUISER OPERATIONAL BITCHES
T4: I hate nukes
T5: best mission ever

Also

Z1: pretty decent

And there's another Z mission we both forgot
Edit: you edited them in
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
October 25 2014 21:47 GMT
#17249
i believe that someone said something about calm before the storm btw this was a pretty fun game in an insanely good finals, very few of those in GSL but this was easily one of the best if not the best, at least in games, if not in story
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
October 25 2014 21:48 GMT
#17250
On October 26 2014 06:47 Cricketer12 wrote:
i believe that someone said something about calm before the storm btw this was a pretty fun game in an insanely good finals, very few of those in GSL but this was easily one of the best if not the best, at least in games, if not in story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO33lq0sL9Q

I watched the first four games this afternoon. Sick
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-25 21:51:33
October 25 2014 21:48 GMT
#17251
On October 26 2014 06:46 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 06:37 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:26 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:24 y0su wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:23 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:20 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:16 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:15 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:13 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
[quote]

Thanks ! Quite an interesting viewpoint on the Protoss race.

I will say that while the stories haven't been the best of any vieo game I've ever played, it does feel like Blizzard can make the gameplay of the campaigns pretty fun. The Terran one felt like a desperate struggle, and the Zerg one felt like you were invincible after you gathered enough momentum. The Protoss one will probably have a "4gate very single map" challenge.

toss will almost certainly be a 300esque feel, i think Morhaime even said something like that in an interview...
though i really liked the original idea for the campaign (political game where you try to unite as many protoss clans as possible to have enough forces to defeat Amon)

I'm actually very much okay with a 300esque Protoss game, because if my reading into the Protoss lore is accurate, they're a fading light in the darkness, kinda like the Elves in the Lord of the Rings. They're here for now, but will soon disappear unless they really get their shit together. I wonder if you're gonna have a persistent unit count which decreases with time (you only get 1k Zealots for the campaign, so don't fuck up!) type of thing.

i imagine there willl be at least one or two mssions like this where its a mircofest for glory...and i def feel like at the end of each mission despite victory, it will feel like you barely made it out alive and though you won the battles you are losing the war.... we will see how they go about it but i am very excited, especially since it looks like they bringing back yellow toss from BW as the "theme color for the game, despite having green this whole time". so much nostalgia, but i wonder how they will balance out the respected rogue hero of Zeratul, who has been a real let down in SC2 in my opinion and the somehow selfless Kerrigan....if she is the key, why need zeratul and toss campaign? idk

Well, I feel like the reason he's been a letdown is because of the fact that he hasn't really shown up very often. He's kinda just been in the shadow, biding his time and waiting for the right moment to do the right thing.

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if there's been some sort of "corruption" among the Protoss that Zeratul needs to cleanse, and that's why he's been running along. Hopefully he'll try to redeem himself for killing his matriarch.

There's always something like that so that you can get your mirror match played a few times :D

Campaign mirror matches are really cool though. I don't think that I've explicitely disliked mirror matches in SC2, or even SC1 so far. They've just been a thrillride from beginning to end.

if i remember all the mirror matches from all starcraft

SC1:
T4: the installation match, pretty much a 1a game, but had some charm
T5: Raynor meets Kerrigan and they stealthed their way to take a base, was fun
T7: that awesome TvT with Duke
T8: that awesome TvT with Sarah
T10: that insanely long TvT with Raynor

Z7: Muta Guardian Hydra OP

P7: Tassadar Zeratul AND Fenix?! NOSTALGIA OP
P8: Raynor + Protoss?! NOSTALGIA OP

BW
P7: RIP Aldaris

T1: Pretty tricky for a level 1
T2: CATTLEBRUISER OPERATIONAL BITCHES
T4: The first choice map you had
T5: EPIC!!!!! :D

My thoughts on it when I was 10 or 16 finally finishing it up were:
SC1:
T4: catered pretty well to my noob self. I liked it
T5: "Wait, I can just make mass marines and dropships. Siiiiick"
T7: 10yo: "This mission is impossible! There is no cow level" 16yo: "D-MATRIX TANK PUSH BITCHES"
T8: Take top left base, mass army, nuke key spots win ez pz
T10: 10yo: "...I'm just going to move to the Zerg campaign" 16yo: "This mission is still hard so I should budget a few hours to finish it"

Z7: "MASS HYDRALISK!!!"

P7: "How the hell are you supposed to do this mission?"
P8: see P7, still haven't done it...

BW
P7: "MIND CONTROL IS ALL I NEED"

T1: "I just won this in like 45 minutes with 2 tanks, 2 SCVs and turrets. Wait, there's a back door???"
T2: CATTLEBRUISER OPERATIONAL BITCHES
T4: I hate nukes
T5: best mission ever

Also

Z1: pretty decent

And there's another Z mission we both forgot
Edit: you edited them in

holy shit you and i had the EXACT same mindset though i was younger
EDIT: on the P7 super epic game of nostalgia, you can just rush your dts straight to their nexi, snipe them and insta win, the 8th mission was hella hard though...fucking dragoon aggro....
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
October 25 2014 21:49 GMT
#17252
On October 26 2014 06:48 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 06:47 Cricketer12 wrote:
i believe that someone said something about calm before the storm btw this was a pretty fun game in an insanely good finals, very few of those in GSL but this was easily one of the best if not the best, at least in games, if not in story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO33lq0sL9Q

I watched the first four games this afternoon. Sick

same!
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
October 25 2014 21:49 GMT
#17253
On October 26 2014 06:47 Cricketer12 wrote:
i believe that someone said something about calm before the storm btw this was a pretty fun game in an insanely good finals, very few of those in GSL but this was easily one of the best if not the best, at least in games, if not in story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO33lq0sL9Q


You know what, I didn't watch korean starcraft at the time and missed it. I repeatedly saw that it was the best finals of all time and kinda dismissed it, because I thought it was just nostalgia talking and the games must be quite uninteresting by modern standards.

After reading jjakji's article, I watched game 4.

Then I watched game 1.

Then I watched the series.

I did not regret any second of it !!!
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
October 25 2014 21:51 GMT
#17254
On October 26 2014 06:48 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 06:46 The_Templar wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:37 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:26 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:24 y0su wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:23 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:20 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:16 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:15 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:13 IntoTheheart wrote:
[quote]
I will say that while the stories haven't been the best of any vieo game I've ever played, it does feel like Blizzard can make the gameplay of the campaigns pretty fun. The Terran one felt like a desperate struggle, and the Zerg one felt like you were invincible after you gathered enough momentum. The Protoss one will probably have a "4gate very single map" challenge.

toss will almost certainly be a 300esque feel, i think Morhaime even said something like that in an interview...
though i really liked the original idea for the campaign (political game where you try to unite as many protoss clans as possible to have enough forces to defeat Amon)

I'm actually very much okay with a 300esque Protoss game, because if my reading into the Protoss lore is accurate, they're a fading light in the darkness, kinda like the Elves in the Lord of the Rings. They're here for now, but will soon disappear unless they really get their shit together. I wonder if you're gonna have a persistent unit count which decreases with time (you only get 1k Zealots for the campaign, so don't fuck up!) type of thing.

i imagine there willl be at least one or two mssions like this where its a mircofest for glory...and i def feel like at the end of each mission despite victory, it will feel like you barely made it out alive and though you won the battles you are losing the war.... we will see how they go about it but i am very excited, especially since it looks like they bringing back yellow toss from BW as the "theme color for the game, despite having green this whole time". so much nostalgia, but i wonder how they will balance out the respected rogue hero of Zeratul, who has been a real let down in SC2 in my opinion and the somehow selfless Kerrigan....if she is the key, why need zeratul and toss campaign? idk

Well, I feel like the reason he's been a letdown is because of the fact that he hasn't really shown up very often. He's kinda just been in the shadow, biding his time and waiting for the right moment to do the right thing.

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if there's been some sort of "corruption" among the Protoss that Zeratul needs to cleanse, and that's why he's been running along. Hopefully he'll try to redeem himself for killing his matriarch.

There's always something like that so that you can get your mirror match played a few times :D

Campaign mirror matches are really cool though. I don't think that I've explicitely disliked mirror matches in SC2, or even SC1 so far. They've just been a thrillride from beginning to end.

if i remember all the mirror matches from all starcraft

SC1:
T4: the installation match, pretty much a 1a game, but had some charm
T5: Raynor meets Kerrigan and they stealthed their way to take a base, was fun
T7: that awesome TvT with Duke
T8: that awesome TvT with Sarah
T10: that insanely long TvT with Raynor

Z7: Muta Guardian Hydra OP

P7: Tassadar Zeratul AND Fenix?! NOSTALGIA OP
P8: Raynor + Protoss?! NOSTALGIA OP

BW
P7: RIP Aldaris

T1: Pretty tricky for a level 1
T2: CATTLEBRUISER OPERATIONAL BITCHES
T4: The first choice map you had
T5: EPIC!!!!! :D

My thoughts on it when I was 10 or 16 finally finishing it up were:
SC1:
T4: catered pretty well to my noob self. I liked it
T5: "Wait, I can just make mass marines and dropships. Siiiiick"
T7: 10yo: "This mission is impossible! There is no cow level" 16yo: "D-MATRIX TANK PUSH BITCHES"
T8: Take top left base, mass army, nuke key spots win ez pz
T10: 10yo: "...I'm just going to move to the Zerg campaign" 16yo: "This mission is still hard so I should budget a few hours to finish it"

Z7: "MASS HYDRALISK!!!"

P7: "How the hell are you supposed to do this mission?"
P8: see P7, still haven't done it...

BW
P7: "MIND CONTROL IS ALL I NEED"

T1: "I just won this in like 45 minutes with 2 tanks, 2 SCVs and turrets. Wait, there's a back door???"
T2: CATTLEBRUISER OPERATIONAL BITCHES
T4: I hate nukes
T5: best mission ever

Also

Z1: pretty decent

And there's another Z mission we both forgot
Edit: you edited them in

holy shit you and i had the EXACT same mindset though i was younger

Lol, I never did Sc1 P8 or the end of BW Z, found them too hard at the time...
That Zerg one on char against the Terran/Zerg was soooo hard though
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
October 25 2014 21:53 GMT
#17255
On October 26 2014 06:51 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 06:48 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:46 The_Templar wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:37 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:26 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:24 y0su wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:23 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:20 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:16 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:15 Cricketer12 wrote:
[quote]
toss will almost certainly be a 300esque feel, i think Morhaime even said something like that in an interview...
though i really liked the original idea for the campaign (political game where you try to unite as many protoss clans as possible to have enough forces to defeat Amon)

I'm actually very much okay with a 300esque Protoss game, because if my reading into the Protoss lore is accurate, they're a fading light in the darkness, kinda like the Elves in the Lord of the Rings. They're here for now, but will soon disappear unless they really get their shit together. I wonder if you're gonna have a persistent unit count which decreases with time (you only get 1k Zealots for the campaign, so don't fuck up!) type of thing.

i imagine there willl be at least one or two mssions like this where its a mircofest for glory...and i def feel like at the end of each mission despite victory, it will feel like you barely made it out alive and though you won the battles you are losing the war.... we will see how they go about it but i am very excited, especially since it looks like they bringing back yellow toss from BW as the "theme color for the game, despite having green this whole time". so much nostalgia, but i wonder how they will balance out the respected rogue hero of Zeratul, who has been a real let down in SC2 in my opinion and the somehow selfless Kerrigan....if she is the key, why need zeratul and toss campaign? idk

Well, I feel like the reason he's been a letdown is because of the fact that he hasn't really shown up very often. He's kinda just been in the shadow, biding his time and waiting for the right moment to do the right thing.

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if there's been some sort of "corruption" among the Protoss that Zeratul needs to cleanse, and that's why he's been running along. Hopefully he'll try to redeem himself for killing his matriarch.

There's always something like that so that you can get your mirror match played a few times :D

Campaign mirror matches are really cool though. I don't think that I've explicitely disliked mirror matches in SC2, or even SC1 so far. They've just been a thrillride from beginning to end.

if i remember all the mirror matches from all starcraft

SC1:
T4: the installation match, pretty much a 1a game, but had some charm
T5: Raynor meets Kerrigan and they stealthed their way to take a base, was fun
T7: that awesome TvT with Duke
T8: that awesome TvT with Sarah
T10: that insanely long TvT with Raynor

Z7: Muta Guardian Hydra OP

P7: Tassadar Zeratul AND Fenix?! NOSTALGIA OP
P8: Raynor + Protoss?! NOSTALGIA OP

BW
P7: RIP Aldaris

T1: Pretty tricky for a level 1
T2: CATTLEBRUISER OPERATIONAL BITCHES
T4: The first choice map you had
T5: EPIC!!!!! :D

My thoughts on it when I was 10 or 16 finally finishing it up were:
SC1:
T4: catered pretty well to my noob self. I liked it
T5: "Wait, I can just make mass marines and dropships. Siiiiick"
T7: 10yo: "This mission is impossible! There is no cow level" 16yo: "D-MATRIX TANK PUSH BITCHES"
T8: Take top left base, mass army, nuke key spots win ez pz
T10: 10yo: "...I'm just going to move to the Zerg campaign" 16yo: "This mission is still hard so I should budget a few hours to finish it"

Z7: "MASS HYDRALISK!!!"

P7: "How the hell are you supposed to do this mission?"
P8: see P7, still haven't done it...

BW
P7: "MIND CONTROL IS ALL I NEED"

T1: "I just won this in like 45 minutes with 2 tanks, 2 SCVs and turrets. Wait, there's a back door???"
T2: CATTLEBRUISER OPERATIONAL BITCHES
T4: I hate nukes
T5: best mission ever

Also

Z1: pretty decent

And there's another Z mission we both forgot
Edit: you edited them in

holy shit you and i had the EXACT same mindset though i was younger

Lol, I never did Sc1 P8 or the end of BW Z, found them too hard at the time...
That Zerg one on char against the Terran/Zerg was soooo hard though

where you had to use DTs to kill the psudo overmind? god that was terrible

now im super nostalgic and i want to go back and play both SC1 AND BW but i lost my copies of both
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
October 25 2014 21:54 GMT
#17256
On October 26 2014 06:53 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 06:51 The_Templar wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:48 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:46 The_Templar wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:37 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:26 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:24 y0su wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:23 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:20 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:16 IntoTheheart wrote:
[quote]
I'm actually very much okay with a 300esque Protoss game, because if my reading into the Protoss lore is accurate, they're a fading light in the darkness, kinda like the Elves in the Lord of the Rings. They're here for now, but will soon disappear unless they really get their shit together. I wonder if you're gonna have a persistent unit count which decreases with time (you only get 1k Zealots for the campaign, so don't fuck up!) type of thing.

i imagine there willl be at least one or two mssions like this where its a mircofest for glory...and i def feel like at the end of each mission despite victory, it will feel like you barely made it out alive and though you won the battles you are losing the war.... we will see how they go about it but i am very excited, especially since it looks like they bringing back yellow toss from BW as the "theme color for the game, despite having green this whole time". so much nostalgia, but i wonder how they will balance out the respected rogue hero of Zeratul, who has been a real let down in SC2 in my opinion and the somehow selfless Kerrigan....if she is the key, why need zeratul and toss campaign? idk

Well, I feel like the reason he's been a letdown is because of the fact that he hasn't really shown up very often. He's kinda just been in the shadow, biding his time and waiting for the right moment to do the right thing.

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if there's been some sort of "corruption" among the Protoss that Zeratul needs to cleanse, and that's why he's been running along. Hopefully he'll try to redeem himself for killing his matriarch.

There's always something like that so that you can get your mirror match played a few times :D

Campaign mirror matches are really cool though. I don't think that I've explicitely disliked mirror matches in SC2, or even SC1 so far. They've just been a thrillride from beginning to end.

if i remember all the mirror matches from all starcraft

SC1:
T4: the installation match, pretty much a 1a game, but had some charm
T5: Raynor meets Kerrigan and they stealthed their way to take a base, was fun
T7: that awesome TvT with Duke
T8: that awesome TvT with Sarah
T10: that insanely long TvT with Raynor

Z7: Muta Guardian Hydra OP

P7: Tassadar Zeratul AND Fenix?! NOSTALGIA OP
P8: Raynor + Protoss?! NOSTALGIA OP

BW
P7: RIP Aldaris

T1: Pretty tricky for a level 1
T2: CATTLEBRUISER OPERATIONAL BITCHES
T4: The first choice map you had
T5: EPIC!!!!! :D

My thoughts on it when I was 10 or 16 finally finishing it up were:
SC1:
T4: catered pretty well to my noob self. I liked it
T5: "Wait, I can just make mass marines and dropships. Siiiiick"
T7: 10yo: "This mission is impossible! There is no cow level" 16yo: "D-MATRIX TANK PUSH BITCHES"
T8: Take top left base, mass army, nuke key spots win ez pz
T10: 10yo: "...I'm just going to move to the Zerg campaign" 16yo: "This mission is still hard so I should budget a few hours to finish it"

Z7: "MASS HYDRALISK!!!"

P7: "How the hell are you supposed to do this mission?"
P8: see P7, still haven't done it...

BW
P7: "MIND CONTROL IS ALL I NEED"

T1: "I just won this in like 45 minutes with 2 tanks, 2 SCVs and turrets. Wait, there's a back door???"
T2: CATTLEBRUISER OPERATIONAL BITCHES
T4: I hate nukes
T5: best mission ever

Also

Z1: pretty decent

And there's another Z mission we both forgot
Edit: you edited them in

holy shit you and i had the EXACT same mindset though i was younger

Lol, I never did Sc1 P8 or the end of BW Z, found them too hard at the time...
That Zerg one on char against the Terran/Zerg was soooo hard though

where you had to use DTs to kill the psudo overmind? god that was terrible

now im super nostalgic and i want to go back and play both SC1 AND BW but i lost my copies of both

Yeah I should reinstall at some point, but it's difficult to do nowadays
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
October 25 2014 21:57 GMT
#17257
On October 26 2014 06:51 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 06:48 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:46 The_Templar wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:37 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:26 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:24 y0su wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:23 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:20 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:16 IntoTheheart wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:15 Cricketer12 wrote:
[quote]
toss will almost certainly be a 300esque feel, i think Morhaime even said something like that in an interview...
though i really liked the original idea for the campaign (political game where you try to unite as many protoss clans as possible to have enough forces to defeat Amon)

I'm actually very much okay with a 300esque Protoss game, because if my reading into the Protoss lore is accurate, they're a fading light in the darkness, kinda like the Elves in the Lord of the Rings. They're here for now, but will soon disappear unless they really get their shit together. I wonder if you're gonna have a persistent unit count which decreases with time (you only get 1k Zealots for the campaign, so don't fuck up!) type of thing.

i imagine there willl be at least one or two mssions like this where its a mircofest for glory...and i def feel like at the end of each mission despite victory, it will feel like you barely made it out alive and though you won the battles you are losing the war.... we will see how they go about it but i am very excited, especially since it looks like they bringing back yellow toss from BW as the "theme color for the game, despite having green this whole time". so much nostalgia, but i wonder how they will balance out the respected rogue hero of Zeratul, who has been a real let down in SC2 in my opinion and the somehow selfless Kerrigan....if she is the key, why need zeratul and toss campaign? idk

Well, I feel like the reason he's been a letdown is because of the fact that he hasn't really shown up very often. He's kinda just been in the shadow, biding his time and waiting for the right moment to do the right thing.

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if there's been some sort of "corruption" among the Protoss that Zeratul needs to cleanse, and that's why he's been running along. Hopefully he'll try to redeem himself for killing his matriarch.

There's always something like that so that you can get your mirror match played a few times :D

Campaign mirror matches are really cool though. I don't think that I've explicitely disliked mirror matches in SC2, or even SC1 so far. They've just been a thrillride from beginning to end.

if i remember all the mirror matches from all starcraft

SC1:
T4: the installation match, pretty much a 1a game, but had some charm
T5: Raynor meets Kerrigan and they stealthed their way to take a base, was fun
T7: that awesome TvT with Duke
T8: that awesome TvT with Sarah
T10: that insanely long TvT with Raynor

Z7: Muta Guardian Hydra OP

P7: Tassadar Zeratul AND Fenix?! NOSTALGIA OP
P8: Raynor + Protoss?! NOSTALGIA OP

BW
P7: RIP Aldaris

T1: Pretty tricky for a level 1
T2: CATTLEBRUISER OPERATIONAL BITCHES
T4: The first choice map you had
T5: EPIC!!!!! :D

My thoughts on it when I was 10 or 16 finally finishing it up were:
SC1:
T4: catered pretty well to my noob self. I liked it
T5: "Wait, I can just make mass marines and dropships. Siiiiick"
T7: 10yo: "This mission is impossible! There is no cow level" 16yo: "D-MATRIX TANK PUSH BITCHES"
T8: Take top left base, mass army, nuke key spots win ez pz
T10: 10yo: "...I'm just going to move to the Zerg campaign" 16yo: "This mission is still hard so I should budget a few hours to finish it"

Z7: "MASS HYDRALISK!!!"

P7: "How the hell are you supposed to do this mission?"
P8: see P7, still haven't done it...

BW
P7: "MIND CONTROL IS ALL I NEED"

T1: "I just won this in like 45 minutes with 2 tanks, 2 SCVs and turrets. Wait, there's a back door???"
T2: CATTLEBRUISER OPERATIONAL BITCHES
T4: I hate nukes
T5: best mission ever

Also

Z1: pretty decent

And there's another Z mission we both forgot
Edit: you edited them in

holy shit you and i had the EXACT same mindset though i was younger

Lol, I never did Sc1 P8 or the end of BW Z, found them too hard at the time...
That Zerg one on char against the Terran/Zerg was soooo hard though

the last mission of Z was super hard as well Omega was what it was called i believe where Mengsk, DuGall, AND Artanis had armies on a space plat above char, you have almost no units, no heroes, and you have to kill all of these enemies. For me it was cracklings vs Mengsk, then hydras vs Artanis, then POWR OF SWARM vs DuGall
but the secret mission made it all so worth it :D i had to power overwhelming that mission anyways so the first time i went through i found the secret mission was super confused and SUPER excited by how badass it was. I remember MCing scvs and then cheating myself money so i could beat it with BCs soo much fun
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
October 25 2014 21:59 GMT
#17258
On October 26 2014 06:49 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 06:47 Cricketer12 wrote:
i believe that someone said something about calm before the storm btw this was a pretty fun game in an insanely good finals, very few of those in GSL but this was easily one of the best if not the best, at least in games, if not in story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO33lq0sL9Q


You know what, I didn't watch korean starcraft at the time and missed it. I repeatedly saw that it was the best finals of all time and kinda dismissed it, because I thought it was just nostalgia talking and the games must be quite uninteresting by modern standards.

After reading jjakji's article, I watched game 4.

Then I watched game 1.

Then I watched the series.

I did not regret any second of it !!!

Oh yeah!! This was the first (or second) GSL finals that I saw and I was hooked!!!

(and of course, I'm "stuck" watching now too)
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
October 25 2014 22:00 GMT
#17259
I love the fact that we have transitioned into campaign talk, this is my childhood right here :D

and for the record, i pretty much ONLY did Wings campaign until i beat it on brutal and got all campaign achievements, proving its doable even if you bronzie and suck at terran
and i played it a bunch even after that
in fact i went back and did campaign of Wings a couple of months ago...some fun missions, some hella boring ones (all the fucking colonists missions, fuck that waste of time...and the revolution missions were pretty boring too i must say...)
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-25 22:02:35
October 25 2014 22:01 GMT
#17260
On October 26 2014 06:59 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 06:49 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 26 2014 06:47 Cricketer12 wrote:
i believe that someone said something about calm before the storm btw this was a pretty fun game in an insanely good finals, very few of those in GSL but this was easily one of the best if not the best, at least in games, if not in story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO33lq0sL9Q


You know what, I didn't watch korean starcraft at the time and missed it. I repeatedly saw that it was the best finals of all time and kinda dismissed it, because I thought it was just nostalgia talking and the games must be quite uninteresting by modern standards.

After reading jjakji's article, I watched game 4.

Then I watched game 1.

Then I watched the series.

I did not regret any second of it !!!

Oh yeah!! This was the first (or second) GSL finals that I saw and I was hooked!!!

(and of course, I'm "stuck" watching now too)


Mvp vs Squirtle still has a lot of sentimental value to me because it was the first finals I watched live, but if I had seen jjakji - Leenock I'd probably rate it the best GSL finals ever no question.
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