EPTOn August 10 2014 21:27 TokyoGirl wrote:
yea it sucks. i blame it on the infestor nerf and spore crawler buff
yea it sucks. i blame it on the infestor nerf and spore crawler buff
I blame mutalisk regeneration
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
I blame mutalisk regeneration | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On August 10 2014 22:23 lichter wrote: as lord of best games i give ZvZ a 3/5 That's higher than I expected | ||
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Faefae
2203 Posts
Yeah, what would you give to the other mirrors mu ? | ||
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( bush
321 Posts
On August 10 2014 22:14 mabla wrote: Luckily this game doesn't depend on viewers below GM to stay relevant. #rekt You can't say people don't realise what's going on just because you follow a build order to mass up your roaches, dumbfuck. User was warned for this post | ||
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On August 10 2014 22:19 Shuffleblade wrote: While true to some extent it is baffling how strong the roach meta has becomes and how it won't go away. You are half right and half wrong, these kinds of "meta" finding out the ultimate way of doing something and doing it over and over, It will lead to everyone doing that, if everyone does it than you can pretty much figure out what your opponent is going to do and blind counter it. This is how the meta change, people learn how to counter the most popular strategy and then people will stop doing it because it doesn't work anymore. This is what happened when Z started doing 3 hatch before pool vs P greedy openings back in the day, thus out greeding them blindly. For a meta to stay as long and tenaciously like this one is rare and in my opinion shows something is wrong with the game. If you can't counter his strat (without going for the same strat) when knowing exactly what he's going to do then its something seriously wrong. I agree the roach meta has been rather tenacious, but I honestly don't think its as prevalent as the OP makes it out to be. | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On August 10 2014 22:28 Faefae wrote: Yeah, what would you give to the other mirrors mu ? PvP 2/5 ZvZ 1.5/5 TvT 4.5/5 | ||
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ReMinD_
Croatia846 Posts
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TokyoGirl
Japan116 Posts
On August 10 2014 22:24 Dingodile wrote: more frustrating than roach vs roach is/are the super random shots from wm at TvZ. Very unpredictable if you play ling+bling against wm. wm is ok against all other zerg units. micro against wm doesnt help anything if wm are sitting on intelligent places. (1) What happens if cooldown is gone and there are already 2 (split) lings within that area? which ling is going to die? (2) What happens if wm detect first ling but killed by other units before wm begins to attack (due to 1,5sec delay), 1,5 sec later there are 10000 lings+blings in that area, where will be the rocket hitting? (3) If terran is microing his wm, zerg will never know/notice that. Zerg only know if it had already hitted but this is too way late. Don't response with "1,5sec delay tells it", How do you know it was as (2) or (3) from Zerg perspective? You have to see it from Zerg and Terran perspective, not as a casual bystander. (1) and (2) are fucking frustrating for both players because of the random shots. You see thats what excite viewers. viewerss like to see those WM that kills 50 units with one shot (imba or not imba), it creates a lot of suspense and excitement. But when you watch ZvZ its usually ling/bane and it ends in roach wars with one player winning with better decision making. you don't really need to watch the rest of the game to know how its going to end. Again this is from a spectators point of view. | ||
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Faefae
2203 Posts
Seems legit ! Personnally i'd rate PvP a bit higher these days. 2.5? 3? Something like that | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
as lr bonjwa you are in charge of hype and those grades arent very hype | ||
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[BSP]Kain
119 Posts
Muta meta was so fun back in the days, although a bit too strong. :< | ||
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Holdenintherye
Canada1441 Posts
edit: it's much better than ZvZ early HotS when the player with 1 more muta would automatically win. | ||
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Salient
United States876 Posts
(A) Creep has a color tint to indicate which player made it, and (B) Only the player who made creep gets a speed bonus while moving over it With those simple changes, you would have a greater defender's advantage, more strategic creep, and a better looking game. As it is now, all the ugly little roaches kind of blend in together on the ugly creep, and it's difficult for spectators to enjoy watching or even know where one blob of roaches ends and another begins. Grey creep, grey roaches, green acid . . . meh. | ||
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PiGStarcraft
Australia987 Posts
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
- Terran Player: TvT > ZvZ and PvP - Protoss Player: PvP > ZvZ and TvT - Zerg Player: ZvZ > TvT and PvP ez | ||
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Fusa
Canada148 Posts
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Dingodile
4133 Posts
On August 10 2014 22:51 SuperHofmann wrote: How people's mind work: - Terran Player: TvT > ZvZ and PvP - Protoss Player: PvP > ZvZ and TvT - Zerg Player: ZvZ > TvT and PvP ez 90% wrong from Zerg and Protoss Player. | ||
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Faefae
2203 Posts
On August 10 2014 22:51 SuperHofmann wrote: How people's mind work: - Terran Player: TvT > ZvZ and PvP - Protoss Player: PvP > ZvZ and TvT - Zerg Player: ZvZ > TvT and PvP ez No, I don't think that is true, when there were polls on TL, TvT was the best rated mirror And there is ~32% of terran player in sc2 | ||
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