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197 tournaments, 641 teams, 2.430 results and 6.775 ranking positions – e-Rankings expands to Dota 2 with a huge database. All you fans of Anti-Mage, Divine Rapier and Natus Vincere (or anything else) get a calculated World Ranking, a voted Community Ranking, a Quickrating game and lots of team profiles with detailed infomation about your favourite teams. How does it all work? Read on!
World Ranking: Calculated based on tournament performance
The key feature of e-Rankings is the World Ranking. It is calculated based on the tournament performance of teams. Each team receives points for finishing a tournament based on the category of this tournament. Events are sorted into six different categories based on prize money ranging from ‘Global’ with more than $100.000 to ‘Challenger’ with more than $500 prize money. The database currently consists of almost 200 tournaments from August 2011 to May 2014.
Community World Ranking: Rate teams and create your own ranking
Besides the calculated World Ranking there is another ranking: The Community World Ranking is based on the ratings of you, our users. You can rate each team from ‘Bad’ to ‘Pro’ which equals 1 to 4 points. The average values of all ratings of all teams create the Community World Ranking. Since there are not enough ratings yet, the current Community World Ranking is empty, but that will change in the future. You can rate teams directly in their profiles or multiple teams in our Quickrating game.
Quickrating Game: Rate teams and earn badges
I already mentioned the Quickrating game: It allows you to rate teams in a quick manner. By doing that you earn badges and user levels – the higher your userlevel the more features are unlocked. For example you can later on change your ratings or recommend your ratings to other users to help them evaluate teams.
Huge database: 200 tournaments, 650 teams and counting
Our database currently consists of almost 200 tournaments from August 2011 to today and contains the results of almost 650 different teams.
Blog: Analysis, interviews and more
All the rankings and databases are just a huge chunk of numbers – my blog is there to analyse, explain the data, point out remarkable details and entertain you. There will be a new article almost daily, so make sure to follow us on Facebook and Twitter to not miss anything.
Anything else? Contact me
So who is the mastermind behind all this – it’s me  Hi, i am Christoph, living in Munich, Germany, Freelancer journalist for 15 years and E-Sport enthusiast since the release of Warcraft 3 in 2002, currently playing Dota 2 myself regularly – although you don’t wanna know my MMR-rating If you feel anything on this page is wrong, missing, if you wanna help me with my work (or even pay me) or just feel like talking and discussing some aspect, feel free to contact me – i will answer friendly and immediately.
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I agree that the number of korean teams deforms the ranking a bit and i think about ways to change that.
Concerning EG and Navi, i don't see the problem: For example, EG earned $50.000 this year in prize money and Navi ~$125.000 which is 2.5x. So why shouldn't they have 3x the points of EG (note: i only counted 2014 in this example, i guess the gap would be even greater if i include the past 12 months)? No offense, just asking for your opinion.
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These rankings go further back than your memory. EG was essentially shit until this year. Na'Vi has been consistent for many, many years. And I'd still give Na'Vi the edge at this upcoming TI4.
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Using tournament history and empirical data for dota teams is a bad idea. Teams always change...
As for the quickrating system, its interesting but biased, what is the point of it??
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A problem I see when rating teams/players is a skip button, if I don't know who that person/team is and I am forced to vote it will be incorrectly rated.
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Good point, i will add that.
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On May 05 2014 02:35 AnonymousSC2 wrote:These rankings go further back than your memory. EG was essentially shit until this year. Na'Vi has been consistent for many, many years. And I'd still give Na'Vi the edge at this upcoming TI4.
Except you can't have a "current ranking" system that just takes all the results since the beginning of time. At least not without putting extreme weighting towards recent tournaments.
Otherwise it's just a ranking about which teams (and not even the players on the teams) have earned the most money, and which have been around the longest.
For example, with this site, I would imagine that Na'Vi could lose every single match for the next year straight and they'd still be in the top 10.
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On May 05 2014 02:35 AnonymousSC2 wrote:These rankings go further back than your memory. EG was essentially shit until this year. Na'Vi has been consistent for many, many years. And I'd still give Na'Vi the edge at this upcoming TI4.
It doesn't matter if they were shit before, if these are ratings they are def top 5 in the world now, they should of won enough tournaments and got enough points to make up for it. I don't get why they are top 3 in GG/JD and ranked so poorly in this.
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I honestly can't tell you why EG is Top3 in GG/JD, because i don't find any explanations on both sites about how their rankings are calculated. But you can always check my calculations
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On May 05 2014 04:21 CheeseInSpace wrote:I honestly can't tell you why EG is Top3 in GG/JD, because i don't find any explanations on both sites about how their rankings are calculated. But you can always check my calculations
Yeah, as I said, your ranking has zero bearing on current standings and everything to do with how long a team has been around and how much money went into the team's pocket.
Don't see how your stats are any more relevant than SC2earnings.
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Northern Ireland1200 Posts
When I click on Dota 2, it just reloads the SC2 rankings. I cannot see dota 2 rankings...
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On May 05 2014 05:11 Chewits wrote:
When I click on Dota 2, it just reloads the SC2 rankings. I cannot see dota 2 rankings...
You probably have cookies disabled. You need to turn them on.
On May 05 2014 05:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Yeah, as I said, your ranking has zero bearing on current standings and everything to do with how long a team has been around and how much money went into the team's pocket.
Don't see how your stats are any more relevant than SC2earnings.
No it does not have everything to do with how long a team has been around because the ranking only counts results of the past 12 months. If you want to know which team was the best in the past 3 month , there is a special ranking for that
Sc2Earnings has nothing to do with Dota and is not updated anymore.
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On May 05 2014 06:00 CheeseInSpace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 05:11 Chewits wrote:
When I click on Dota 2, it just reloads the SC2 rankings. I cannot see dota 2 rankings... You probably have cookies disabled. You need to turn them on. Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 05:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Yeah, as I said, your ranking has zero bearing on current standings and everything to do with how long a team has been around and how much money went into the team's pocket.
Don't see how your stats are any more relevant than SC2earnings. No it does not have everything to do with how long a team has been around because the ranking only counts results of the past 12 months. If you want to know which team was the best in the past 3 month , there is a special ranking for thatSc2Earnings has nothing to do with Dota and is not updated anymore.
Thats even bigger joke, noone sane would consider team that is losing to tier 2 SEA teams 2nd best team in last 3 months. Also MVP and Liquid in top 10...
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As already mentioned, the ranking is a bit broken when it comes to korean teams.
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On May 05 2014 06:27 CheeseInSpace wrote:
As already mentioned, the ranking is a bit broken when it comes to korean teams.
It's not just korean teams. Fnatic did nothing to prove they are better than EG. And TL has absolutelly no reason to be above every single chinese team not called DK.
In the standard ranks, C9 is below VP, PR, even mousesports. Newbee is at 66th, a bit ahead of QPAD and below Relax, ForLove, Oslik Gaming. It just makes no sense, whether you are looking at short term or long term rankings.
Even looking at a single team it doesn't work. Navi got the same amount of points for winning the Alienware cup, 2nd place of TI and winning D2CL. And they got twice that amount for winning Starladder.
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Then go Quickrating and create a ranking you think is best
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On May 05 2014 06:40 CheeseInSpace wrote:Then go Quickrating and create a ranking you think is best
Nobody has time for that, if you're going to take the time and effort to do it atleast do it right. These rankings are dumb and im pretty sure everyone above me agrees. Your logic behind the team rating is flawed. If you don't think EG/DK/VG are the best teams in the world right now I suggest you just dont do rankings.
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On May 05 2014 06:00 CheeseInSpace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 05:11 Chewits wrote:
When I click on Dota 2, it just reloads the SC2 rankings. I cannot see dota 2 rankings... You probably have cookies disabled. You need to turn them on. Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 05:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Yeah, as I said, your ranking has zero bearing on current standings and everything to do with how long a team has been around and how much money went into the team's pocket.
Don't see how your stats are any more relevant than SC2earnings. No it does not have everything to do with how long a team has been around because the ranking only counts results of the past 12 months. If you want to know which team was the best in the past 3 month , there is a special ranking for thatSc2Earnings has nothing to do with Dota and is not updated anymore.
12 months doesn't make it any better. That just makes it DotA2earnings with an arbitrary cut-off.
Rankings are meaningless if they have no relevance to the next tournament, or even the next match.
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On May 05 2014 11:57 NbSky wrote:Nobody has time for that, if you're going to take the time and effort to do it atleast do it right. These rankings are dumb and im pretty sure everyone above me agrees. Your logic behind the team rating is flawed. If you don't think EG/DK/VG are the best teams in the world right now I suggest you just dont do rankings.
If it's taking data from 2011 and using that to determine this ranking, then it makes sense that EG isn't in the top 3. If you're looking at it to answer "Who are the strongest 3 teams RIGHT NOW" it isn't going to tell you, because it's telling you statistically who the top 3 "teams" (brands really) have been in the last 3 years and not by specific roster or patch.
That said, what it is telling us doesn't seem that useful. Dota 2's roster changes and the power shifts between patches means that "who is the best" in the last 3 years doesn't give you that great of an indication of who is going to win a bo5 in 6.81
-edit- apparently I'm wrong on a couple accounts, nevermind then :D
3 month ranking looks pretty reasonable tho!
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joinDOTA.com's ranking is probably the most accurate in my opinion. Recent games and performance are far more important than games from a long time ago.
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On May 05 2014 02:35 AnonymousSC2 wrote:These rankings go further back than your memory. EG was essentially shit until this year. Na'Vi has been consistent for many, many years. And I'd still give Na'Vi the edge at this upcoming TI4.
EG might have been performing less well until last year, but they had a completely different roster, it was a completely different metagame, and it was several balance patches ago. Why should they be ranked by something unrelated to the current team and how the game looks today?
A "World Ranking" should correspond to some sort of current performance, not past achievements. What these world rankings measure is prestige, not skill.
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On May 05 2014 14:38 VoirDire wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 02:35 AnonymousSC2 wrote:These rankings go further back than your memory. EG was essentially shit until this year. Na'Vi has been consistent for many, many years. And I'd still give Na'Vi the edge at this upcoming TI4. EG might have been performing less well until last year, but they had a completely different roster, it was a completely different metagame, and it was several balance patches ago. Why should they be ranked by something unrelated to the current team and how the game looks today? A "World Ranking" should correspond to some sort of current performance, not past achievements. What these world rankings measure is prestige, not skill.
well you do need to consider past results , its part of the "predicting the future" mechanism we use , you can say that recent form has a larger weight (and ill agree to that) but past performance indicate potential as well as skill (you need to be good to be high on the rankings) , i do state as you did , that changing rosters should almost " zero" the score , but different patches do not.
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I agree that you need to base rankings on past results, I tried to make a distinction between achievements and performance, achievements being tournament finishes and performance being how well a team perform in games relative to the competition.
But I think that patches and metagame certainly impacts a teams performance. For instance, Alliance had a measly 56.8% win rate in patch 6.80, down from 70.1% in 6.79, and they currently have 81.8% in 6.81 (although with few matches played). I believe that sudden dip in performance can't be explained with Alliance just becoming a worse team.
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On May 05 2014 12:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:
12 months doesn't make it any better. That just makes it DotA2earnings with an arbitrary cut-off.
You are ignoring the fact that the World Ranking has 336 teams in it while you only get prize money for the first 4 teams at a tournament (maybe 8 if it's a large one). So the ranking counts all the teams who never make any prize money as well.
On May 05 2014 14:38 VoirDire wrote:
A "World Ranking" should correspond to some sort of current performance, not past achievements. What these world rankings measure is prestige, not skill.
Can you define "current" in form of a timespan for me?
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On May 05 2014 21:13 CheeseInSpace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 14:38 VoirDire wrote:
A "World Ranking" should correspond to some sort of current performance, not past achievements. What these world rankings measure is prestige, not skill. Can you define "current" in form of a timespan for me?
Current as is right now. If two teams faced each other today, the team with the higher rank should have a higher chance of winning.
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Nono i meant the timespan which you would use to determine the ranks... you said they should be calculated using "current performance" - but what timespan is "current"?
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You might want to take a look how the ATP Rankings work, these account for current and past (1 year iirc) achievments.
If this ranking should have any worth you need to split the ranking up into diffrent "Zones". You can't mix Sea/Chines/Western-Teams into one ranking, they just don't play enough against each other and don't visit the same tourneys regulary enough.
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Why are Speed Gaming and Cloud9 listed separately on this list? They're the same team...
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On May 05 2014 23:59 xxpack09 wrote:
Why are Speed Gaming and Cloud9 listed separately on this list? They're the same team...
Technically not, Speed Gaming are a Chinese team now.
But in the context of this list, it is the pre-C9 squad.
Another reason why this site's rankings are awful, even teams like nTH/Kaipi are listed yet OP thinks that the site only lists the 12 months? (Kaipi were around 12 months ago but the name has been defunct for what, 9 months?)
Then theres the fact that he hasn't put any extra work into the Dota section, teams have a SC2 Race icon (blank) next to their flag and a SC2 Race icon (also blank) over their large team logo.
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On May 06 2014 00:10 ReignSupreme. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 23:59 xxpack09 wrote:
Why are Speed Gaming and Cloud9 listed separately on this list? They're the same team... Technically not, Speed Gaming are a Chinese team now. But in the context of this list, it is the pre-C9 squad. Another reason why this site's rankings are awful, even teams like nTH/Kaipi are listed yet OP thinks that the site only lists the 12 months? (Kaipi were around 12 months ago but the name has been defunct for what, 9 months?) Then theres the fact that he hasn't put any extra work into the Dota section, teams have a SC2 Race icon (blank) next to their flag and a SC2 Race icon (also blank) over their large team logo.
Just ignore it. He seems to think there is nothing wrong with his ranking despite people pointing out obvious and huge flaws.
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Sanya12364 Posts
I'm not impressed...
Not impressed at all.
No. No.
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On May 06 2014 00:10 ReignSupreme. wrote:
Technically not, Speed Gaming are a Chinese team now.
But in the context of this list, it is the pre-C9 squad.
No, in the context of this list Speed Gaming is Speed Gaming and if their former players switched teams, their performance as Speed Gaming counts for Speed Gaming - and their performance for Cloud 9 counts for Cloud 9.
For the future i plan to do something like an individuals ranking, but it needs time to add all the players to the database.
On May 06 2014 00:10 ReignSupreme. wrote:
Another reason why this site's rankings are awful, even teams like nTH/Kaipi are listed yet OP thinks that the site only lists the 12 months? (Kaipi were around 12 months ago but the name has been defunct for what, 9 months?)
Kaipi played their last tournaments in September, so they were still active in the past 12 months, which is why they are on the list.
On May 06 2014 00:10 ReignSupreme. wrote:
Then theres the fact that he hasn't put any extra work into the Dota section, teams have a SC2 Race icon (blank) next to their flag and a SC2 Race icon (also blank) over their large team logo.
Can you link such things to me or upload a screenshot? I will fix it immediately. Thought it was fixed, but you never catch them all...
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On May 06 2014 00:43 CheeseInSpace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 00:10 ReignSupreme. wrote:
Technically not, Speed Gaming are a Chinese team now.
But in the context of this list, it is the pre-C9 squad. No, in the context of this list Speed Gaming is Speed Gaming and if their former players switched teams, their performance as Speed Gaming counts for Speed Gaming - and their performance for Cloud 9 counts for Cloud 9. For the future i plan to do something like an individuals ranking, but it needs time to add all the players to the database. Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 00:10 ReignSupreme. wrote:
Another reason why this site's rankings are awful, even teams like nTH/Kaipi are listed yet OP thinks that the site only lists the 12 months? (Kaipi were around 12 months ago but the name has been defunct for what, 9 months?) Kaipi played their last tournaments in September, so they were still active in the past 12 months, which is why they are on the list.
This makes absolutely no sense at all. It's literally the exact same squad of players, only under different sponsorship. There is no meaningful difference between sG/C9/Kaipi and listing them separately is stupid. If Alliance changed their name to EG.int absolutely NOTHING about the quality of their play (which is the point of the list!) would be different.
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Look, fact of the matter is that your website is currently useless. No one cares about your rankings if they mean nothing, and right now they are so arbitrary that they actually mean nothing.
So you can either accept the criticisms and try to make something worthwhile, or you can keep plugging your ears and not get a single hit after a week.
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I guess I will stick to gg.net ratings.
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On May 06 2014 03:07 WolfintheSheep wrote:
So you can either accept the criticisms and try to make something worthwhile, or you can keep plugging your ears and not get a single hit after a week.
Maybe it seems as if i plug my ears, but i don't. I read each argument and if i have a different opinion, i ask questions. There are a lot of things in this thread which i put on my to-do-list, like a skip button in Quickrating, the massive number of korean teams etc.
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On May 06 2014 02:00 xxpack09 wrote:
If Alliance changed their name to EG.int absolutely NOTHING about the quality of their play (which is the point of the list!) would be different.
No, i am sorry, but this is not the point of the list. The point of the list is to show which teams (and by 'team' i mean 'brand' as someone else pointed out) was the most succesful in the past 12 months.
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On May 06 2014 05:56 CheeseInSpace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 02:00 xxpack09 wrote:
If Alliance changed their name to EG.int absolutely NOTHING about the quality of their play (which is the point of the list!) would be different. No, i am sorry, but this is not the point of the list. The point of the list is to show which teams (and by 'team' i mean 'brand' as someone else pointed out) was the most succesful in the past 12 months.
Again, that's a completely useless point. Who exactly is this demographic that cares about success in an arbitrary 12 month time frame?
Besides. Everyone knows the answer is Alliance, because they won like $1,000,000 more than any other team. Except your site, apparently.
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You are obviously not my target audience. But that's okay. If you think my site is dumb, just ignore it.
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On May 06 2014 07:00 CheeseInSpace wrote:
You are obviously not my target audience. But that's okay. If you think my site is dumb, just ignore it.
Well, from the looks of this thread, your target audience doesn't look to be very big. As I said before,
So you can either accept the criticisms and try to make something worthwhile, or you can keep plugging your ears and not get a single hit after a week.
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I'd more point to the problem being the demand isn't that huge, but the supply (datdota, joindota, dotabuff) is sufficient.
Any small amount of actual poking around on the site shows that it's a decent wealth of information, and like any wealth of information if you decide it means something that it doesn't actually mean, it won't be any use to you.
The site's not bad. Though, for any of my stats needs I'm still more likely to end up at datdota than e-rankings.
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lmfao this is such a joke, i'm sorry. it's so biased and irrelevant i wouldn't understand why anyone would take this seriously. when i saw the rankings i instantly knew this was clearly made with the intention of facilitating the ego's of western fanboys. this ranking is more of a popularity contest than it is an actual recognition of skill. of course the top 2 western teams who won IT are 1 and 2, but the eastern team who won it is 4th. of course the team that currently shits on both navi and alliance (cough dk) are 3rd.
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Apparently according to this TL is a Netherlands team? lol.
Like may people said, this ranking is less of a ranking and more of who has been around longer. So many of these rankings are completely stupid and not current at all. LGD 5th? TongFu 7th? Dafaq?
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On May 06 2014 15:41 Yergidy wrote:
Apparently according to this TL is a Netherlands team? lol.
Like may people said, this ranking is less of a ranking and more of who has been around longer. So many of these rankings are completely stupid and not current at all. LGD 5th? TongFu 7th? Dafaq?
i believe the rankings are based off of where the team's organization is located, so TL is netherlands and fnatic is UK
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On May 06 2014 18:58 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 15:41 Yergidy wrote:
Apparently according to this TL is a Netherlands team? lol.
Like may people said, this ranking is less of a ranking and more of who has been around longer. So many of these rankings are completely stupid and not current at all. LGD 5th? TongFu 7th? Dafaq? i believe the rankings are based off of where the team's organization is located, so TL is netherlands and fnatic is UK
And this sites logic about a lot of stuff is pretty flawed. It's seems like the creator made a lot of decisions based on abaritary lines in the sand.
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On May 06 2014 07:04 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 07:00 CheeseInSpace wrote:
You are obviously not my target audience. But that's okay. If you think my site is dumb, just ignore it. Well, from the looks of this thread, your target audience doesn't look to be very big. As I said before, Show nested quote +So you can either accept the criticisms and try to make something worthwhile, or you can keep plugging your ears and not get a single hit after a week.
Thank god it doesn't look very big. That would confirm my thoughts about most people being stupid.
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On May 05 2014 22:01 CheeseInSpace wrote:
Nono i meant the timespan which you would use to determine the ranks... you said they should be calculated using "current performance" - but what timespan is "current"?
I did not say that they should be calculated using "current performance". I said:
On May 05 2014 14:38 VoirDire wrote:
A "World Ranking" should correspond to some sort of current performance (...)
Meaning that if two teams met, the team with the higher ranking would be favoured. As far as calculating go, I think the Elo or Glicko rating systems work well.
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On May 06 2014 23:17 VoirDire wrote:I did not say that they should be calculated using "current performance". I said: Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 14:38 VoirDire wrote:
A "World Ranking" should correspond to some sort of current performance (...) Meaning that if two teams met, the team with the higher ranking would be favoured. As far as calculating go, I think the Elo or Glicko rating systems work well.
Sorry, then i misread your post.
On May 06 2014 07:42 Staboteur wrote:
I'd more point to the problem being the demand isn't that huge, but the supply (datdota, joindota, dotabuff) is sufficient
I agree to that, which is why the ranking and its database is the core of e-Rankings but not the only feature.
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Dota 2 World Ranking of December:
![[image loading]](http://blog.e-rankings.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/dota-wr-december.png)
Evil Geniuses stays on the top of the Dota 2 World Ranking in December. The american team won ASUS ROG DreamLeague Season 2 which was their only tournament this month but by far enough to stay ahead of their opponents.
This is to some degree because there is simply no opponent for Arteezy, Fear, ppd and their teammates so far. Both Vici Gaming and Alliance who improved to ranks 2 and 3 suffered from losses in November. Only Natus Vincere won a major tournament, but the ukranian team is just coming back from slump and has a long way to go back to the top.
Cloud 9 and Newbee are sneaking up
The real dangers for Evil Geniuses are lurking behind a bit: Both Cloud 9 and Newbee had a good month and improved to ranks six and seven respectively. The very talented Secret Team failed in the qualifiers of the Dreamleague and thus didn’t gather any more points. The team around Puppey and KuroKy stays at rank 21 which they share now with upcoming Team Tinker who gained 14 spots in the past month.
The new ones: LV Gaming, Team Immunity, Virtus.pro Polar
The highest steps this month have been taken by LV Gaming (+123) and Team Immunity (+119). The former won the National Electronic Sports Tournament 2014 ahead of LGD Gaming and Newbee, the latter was runner-up at MSI Beat IT 2014 where the australian team lost to Virtus.pro. The second team of VP, Virtus.pro Polar improved 23 ranks to rank 36. The surprising 4 Anchors + Sea Captain, sixth at ASUS ROG Dreamleague, gained 62 spots.
363 teams from 44 countries
The World Ranking consists of 363 teams from 44 countries this month. 10,133 tournament results are included in our database. If you want to learn more about how the World Ranking is calculated, check our calculations page.
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Why does Team DK have a spot in your rankings?
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On December 02 2014 02:43 Beirut wrote:
Why does Team DK have a spot in your rankings?
i guess its because they still have yet to lose all the points they accumulated last year.
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Oh man, this terrible site again. Rankings look even worse than they did when he first posted this thing.
How's the site traffic looking now?
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Sorry but this is advertising which is not allowed on LD. Thanks.
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