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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 21 2014 01:06 FromShouri wrote: Brood War, the battle chest is still selling to this day in stores on shelves of businesses like walmart, best buy, and target..... So? People still buy copies of ET for the Atari 2600 too, because they are collectors. The fact that an old game is till I sale somewhere means nothing. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 21 2014 01:06 FromShouri wrote: Im not the biggest nerchio fan but i was under the impression that he retired and only came back for starbow...or at least thats what i heard on stream yesterday. Unless he retired yesterday and came back today then no | ||
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Weavel
Finland9224 Posts
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Kasaraki
Denmark7115 Posts
 ... Or when IM loses! I really think the game is pretty great, and even after 3-4 years, I still find myself absolutely obsessed and genuinely enjoying watching the Korean leagues. The game is neither a failure as an e-sport, nor is it anything close to "broken". Even the meta-game is constantly evolving. I can't account for people who dislike parts of SC2, if you don't like something you don't like something. But I can't help feeling that a lot of people take their dislike and inflate it, turning it into a balance issue when it's not. That's not to say SC2 can't get better though, but it seems pretty clear to me that 90% of all whine is nonsense and not based in reality, and the rest are a question of perspective or personal taste.The secret behind my positive attitude lies with our lord and saviour Roro. After years of aimlessly wandering around without a purpose in life, I first noticed Roro when he had his way with my FPL team. At first I was distressed, I hated Roro for what he had done. But once the anger passed, I realised the truth: Roro loves each and everyone of us. All he wants is to show us the greatest SC2 imaginable. Roro is the way, the truth, and the light. Always remember: you have a friend in Roro. He will save SC2 and your soul if only you let him. | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
Have a Roro in meantime its his bday today! | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
Also, it's great that you found your true love for the best Zerg in the world, the one and only roro. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On January 21 2014 00:24 Zealously wrote: Or don't watch a game you think is boring. At the very least, others do not need to hear you repeat the same "I think SC2 sucks" 16 times. I'm of the opinion that unless you can be constructive, don't bother. I agree with you. There are a lot of people that just stick around, lingering, if you will, that are just full of animosity because the game could've gone their way. | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On January 20 2014 23:02 Plansix wrote: Yet a lot of people turn in every day to watch it and love it. A lot of 12 year old girls go to Justin Bieber's concerts, so fucking what. What a dumb argument. I think you got this wrong. People here aren't mad that SC2 stole the spotlight, they are mad because they perceive that SC2 failed to learn the valuable lessons taught by BW and missed its chance to be the next greatest RTS game of all time. Also note not everyone is a blind BW fanboy and not everyone started as a BW fan. It's not about how it stole the spot from Brood War. It's about how it's taking up the spot without being as good as it easily could be, and should be. If it was just a game with flaws, then it would just be a game with flaws, and people would leave it. But people want it to be good, because of the spot it has in esports. | ||
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
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Kuni
Austria765 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On January 21 2014 02:35 vOdToasT wrote: A lot of 12 year old girls go to Justin Bieber's concerts, so fucking what. What a dumb argument. It's not about how it stole the spot from Brood War. It's about how it's taking up the spot without being as good as it easily could be, and should be. If it was just a game with flaws, then it would just be a game with flaws, and people would leave it. But people want it to be good, because of the spot it has in esports. If Blizzard hadn't sabotaged Korean e-sports then I wouldn't have cared as much about the quality of SC2, but now many of my favorite players are forced to play variations on brood lord/swarm host/death ball styles, which is painful to me. Personally I've watched less SC2 every year, and I care less about the game every year. The time will come that I'll stop watching, and at this rate it'll be in one year or so. Oh well. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 21 2014 03:02 Grumbels wrote: If Blizzard hadn't sabotaged Korean e-sports then I wouldn't have cared as much about the quality of SC2, but now many of my favorite players are forced to play variations on brood lord/swarm host/death ball styles, which is painful to me. I think match fixing did that for BW in Korea and was more damaging than anything Blizzard could have done. Blizzard just sued to protect their copyright when they were going to sell SC2. | ||
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RageCommodore
Germany912 Posts
On January 21 2014 02:35 vOdToasT wrote: A lot of 12 year old girls go to Justin Bieber's concerts, so fucking what. What a dumb argument. It's not about how it stole the spot from Brood War. It's about how it's taking up the spot without being as good as it easily could be, and should be. If it was just a game with flaws, then it would just be a game with flaws, and people would leave it. But people want it to be good, because of the spot it has in esports. So what you're telling me is that said 12YO girls don't love JB? What kind of stupid logic is that? Go tell my little brother that he only watches the game because it's "the only option" or "you only watch it because you don't know better". This goddamn attitude is making me so fucking angry. The ppl that watch SC2 watch it because they like the game, and no amount of OMG BW SO GOOD SC2 SO SHITTY will make that untrue. Fucking bitter fanboys complaining because their game is not on the apex anymore is what's wrong with everything. Hell, LoL is the biggest thing in Esports. If i search for BW on twitch, there are like 3 streams with sub 100 fiewers. Does that make the game shit? Does that even freaking matter? If you only care about BW then FINE, follow your game. A few years from now SC2 might be as small or smaller, but I don't fucking care. Neither should you. I don't get why this whole argument didn't die out. Im just so freaking sick of it. There is nothing that made me hate the community more than this kind of "discussion". | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
I don't know what all your other text is about or why you're so mad. | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 21 2014 03:29 vOdToasT wrote: He heavily implied that SC2 is a strategically interesting game because lots of people watch it. I brought up Justin Bieber because I hoped he would agree that his work is popular without being structurally interesting or romantically exciting, so that he would see the flaw in his argument. I don't know what all your other stuff is about or why you're so mad. It is a strategically interesting game. You don't think so? Fine, but that doesn't make it true nor does it diminish the strategical brilliance displayed by many pros. | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On January 21 2014 03:32 Zealously wrote: It is a strategically interesting game. You don't think so? Fine, but that doesn't make it true nor does it diminish the strategical brilliance displayed by many pros. That is irrelevant, I was talking about his shitty argument from popularity When Brood War was the most popular RTS game, it wasn't good because of its popularity. Its popularity was not evidence of its quality. It was good because of its intrinsic traits. You don't think so? Fine, but that doesn't make it true It makes it true that it doesn't interest me. It's also true that it does interest you. That is a matter of fact. | ||
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Cr4zyH0r5e
Peru1308 Posts
However, it wasn't just the match fixing; it was also that the average age of BW players/audience was getting to a point where real life became too overwhelming to follow BW anymore. I'm still upset that SC2 forced BW to end perhaps a year or 2 earlier than it would have, and that Fantasy never got his golden mouse (partly his fault for being a silver surfer tho). But it did make my life easier, because now I can worry about things that actually have a repercusion in my life. As far as SC2 goes: I got into the beta, hated it and moved on. and as Zealously suggested, I don't play SC2; I think it's horrible for spectators so Idon't watch it, and generally don't care about it. I'm doing just fine. The only reason I even read more than 5 replies in this thread is because Rekrul posted in it. I can't play BW anymore either because my wrists hurt after I play for too long and work + life just don't leave me any time to play. So yes, this is good advice. Don't like SC2? Move on and play something else. Do something you actually enjoy. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On January 21 2014 03:32 Zealously wrote: Regardless of his opinion, the argument that popularity proves strategical depth doesnt work.It is a strategically interesting game. You don't think so? Fine, but that doesn't make it true nor does it diminish the strategical brilliance displayed by many pros. I agree with vodtoast on this particular point, but do think sc2 is strategically interesting. I don't think it's too hard realising the two don't exclude eachother. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 21 2014 03:33 vOdToasT wrote: That is irrelevant, I was talking about his shitty argument from popularity When Brood War was the most popular RTS game, it wasn't good because of its popularity. Its popularity was not evidence of its quality. It was good because of its intrinsic traits. It makes it true that it doesn't interest me. It's also true that it does interest you. That is a matter of fact. Wait, your telling us that quality and popularity are not directly linked? Really? You going to tell us that water is wet next? | ||
itsjustatank
Hong Kong9179 Posts
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