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On January 20 2014 20:53 Talin wrote:
What I got from reading between the lines is that you hate Roro, but think that by stating that you love Roro you contribute towards him becoming a better player and thus worthy of you actually liking him.
Zealously doesn't hate Roro. He's just establishing hipster cred: to be a proper TL hipster you need to be a fan of a random player and pretend you care about it. In Zealously's case that's Life, and since Roro beat him Roro is the enemy, but it's all theatrics.
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Mvp is on the job, so everybody just chill.
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On January 20 2014 22:06 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 12:46 chairmobile wrote:
Sc2 is still phenomenal as an rts, no denying it. Im denying it.
Yet a lot of people turn in every day to watch it and love it.
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On January 20 2014 23:00 Daswollvieh wrote:
Mvp is on the job, so everybody just chill.
Awww man I am missing it. Is MVP still the master of the best of 3-5-7?
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On January 20 2014 13:25 vOdToasT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 13:22 dcemuser wrote:On January 20 2014 13:19 vOdToasT wrote:On January 20 2014 12:46 chairmobile wrote:
I don't see how everyone just accepts bw as a better game.
It has shitty pathing, graphics, and redundant / stupid flaws (workers without automine, no mbs, inconsistent maps/walling, retarded spellcaster mechanics, worker rally for zerg, toggle modes missing for tanks...).
there is no legit indication that the skill cap is significantly or even tangibly lower than bw -kespa koreans still dominate.
units clump more and there are deathball comps in tvp and zvp and mech. So what? Give and take. Sc2 is still phenomenal as an rts, no denying it.
I've played both games for years. I was decent (but not an expert) at both games (B+ Brood War, GM / online tournament winner in SC2) And I think BW is better. It just has more. The things you mentioned don't make the game worse once you get out of D-, so they are worthless arguments. This is another argument people get confused on - the vast majority of players would never get above D-, therefore BW's flaws affect a large population of potential users. A lot of BW players think that the only thing that matters is the top level of play, and they don't understand why SC2 is more popular. They don't have the perspective to see that the flaws of BW are a huge barrier to entry for many. They're not flaws if they make the game better, which they do if you have the patience to lose your first 100 games before you start getting the hang of things. A game requiring more apm is interesting, because apm is a resource that you have to spend wisely, and you can harass your opponent's apm supply by doing things that take less apm to perform than they do to defend. Sometimes, it's even worth spending extra minerals and gas to gain apm. If you can just do everything (which is what I feel like when I play SC2 - note that I did not use Terran, however) then that strategic part of the game is gone. Edit: The one thing you mentioned which is an actual flaw, is the inconsistent walling. It either creates map imbalances, or forces maps to limit the way they make maps. The other things make the game better, but you're too bad to realize it.
I think you got this wrong. People here aren't mad that SC2 stole the spotlight, they are mad because they perceive that SC2 failed to learn the valuable lessons taught by BW and missed its chance to be the next greatest RTS game of all time.
Also note not everyone is a blind BW fanboy and not everyone started as a BW fan.
I, for instance, came to TL because it became the premier SC2 site, I got a SC2 beta key, played it, had fun, discovered TL and tournaments, had even more fun watching tournaments. Then I discovered BW, and I loved it, and the more I watched both the more I felt like SC2 was lacking something BW had.
And to this day I still voice my opinion regarding this, and also my disappointment regarding the lack of initiative or willingness from the dev team, to incorporate more BW esque mechanics or philosophies. And, I don't hate on SC2, I still love it and I want the game to be the best it can be and I just feel like the dev team keeps letting us down every time.
I still watch the game because I enjoy it, I try to keep a positive outlook on the game, but I will also do everything in my power to get the message across that the game has flaws that I'd like to see fixed. I also think this is a good thing because otherwise the game would never improve.
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A lot of the annoyance I had with sc2 was actually all the negativity on TL. Nowadays I barely browse the sc2 general forum and I'm enjoying sc2 and especially SPL a lot. So yeh good advice ^^.
edit: I don't really see BW as more enjoyable either, they're equally entertaining to me and I watch the SSL whenever I can.
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is this thread a joke?
david kim is pretty smart and i think hes done a great job and you can tell that he works hard...
go jerk off to starbow or bw, just take your shit somewhere else... sc2 is a great game! it has no need of "saving"
if you dont like the game you can go fuck yourself
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Isn't that how theses threads always go
OP: SC2 is great and there is great stuff not the future. We should be positive, since being a fan is the best way to get Blizzard to listen to us.
Response 1: you're so naive, you just want to ignore all the obvious design flaws that I am not going to list. And if I do, I will take these ideas from other threads.
Response 2: BW is RTS Jesus and blizzard failed me. That has little to do with the topic, but I'll make it work.
Response 3: look at those numbers, why would you think this? The numbers right now show that SC2 isn't number one all the time.
Response 4: man I do like SC2.
Response 5: your just a Blizzard fanboy.
Some things never change.
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On January 20 2014 23:40 MagnuMizer wrote:
is this thread a joke?
david kim is pretty smart and i think hes done a great job and you can tell that he works hard...
go jerk off to starbow or bw, just take your shit somewhere else... sc2 is a great game! it has no need of "saving"
if you dont like the game you can go fuck yourself
You forgot to read the actual thread, didn't you? That's kind of embarrassing.
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Indeed people bitch wayyy to much. Get real, how many games out there have a shelf-life like SC2? Very few, unless you count the endless CoD games that are essentially the same thing, hhehe. The game and it's expansions have been popular for 4 years. Sure, there has been a decline, but the game has a self-sustaining market in the form of tournaments, teams, salaries, etc.
We live in that "what have you done for me lately" kind of World, but the train keeps moving with or without the nay-saying.
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On January 20 2014 08:19 Zealously wrote:One would think that CJ Entus beating fucking Prime is a sure thing
One does not take the Zealously curse lightly #LessonLearned 
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i love these kind of songs. oh and yeah bw vs sc2 blabberish to stay on topic.
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How to save SC2?
You can't.
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On January 21 2014 00:06 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 23:40 MagnuMizer wrote:
is this thread a joke?
david kim is pretty smart and i think hes done a great job and you can tell that he works hard...
go jerk off to starbow or bw, just take your shit somewhere else... sc2 is a great game! it has no need of "saving"
if you dont like the game you can go fuck yourself You forgot to read the actual thread, didn't you? That's kind of embarrassing.
i didnt forget, i just didnt bother... so your post is dumb
i only meant to respond to the OP
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On January 21 2014 00:16 Nerchio wrote:You can't.
And then he goes right back to playing SC2.
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On January 20 2014 22:07 Roe wrote:
So basically just pile on faith and pretend what you think is a boring game is actually an exciting one?
Or don't watch a game you think is boring. At the very least, others do not need to hear you repeat the same "I think SC2 sucks" 16 times. I'm of the opinion that unless you can be constructive, don't bother.
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Zealousy, I know your OP is in a sort of joking tone, but you're also half serious and a lot of people are completely serious about this. Whenever I hear this kind of thing it sounds like people are trying to give marriage counseling for a video game lol... I can understand that dynamic for the pros, and maybe the fans are just adopting those views, but people should smarten up about it. I could say more but I really don't need to.
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On January 21 2014 00:15 Ctone23 wrote:
Indeed people bitch wayyy to much. Get real, how many games out there have a shelf-life like SC2? Very few, unless you count the endless CoD games that are essentially the same thing, hhehe. The game and it's expansions have been popular for 4 years. Sure, there has been a decline, but the game has a self-sustaining market in the form of tournaments, teams, salaries, etc.
We live in that "what have you done for me lately" kind of World, but the train keeps moving with or without the nay-saying.
Brood War, the battle chest is still selling to this day in stores on shelves of businesses like walmart, best buy, and target.....same with diablo ii battle chest....infact most places are pretty much the exact same games so shelf life doesnt really mean much, especially with stuff switching more to online distribution.
On January 21 2014 00:24 Plansix wrote:And then he goes right back to playing SC2.
Im not the biggest nerchio fan but i was under the impression that he retired and only came back for starbow...or at least thats what i heard on stream yesterday.
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