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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On November 20 2013 04:22 Golgotha wrote: I want to see bisu vs savior again. I hope this happens. It would be the best match of the year. If u hate savior, just root for bisu to curb stomp him. He would destroy him, it wouldn't even be a good set | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On November 20 2013 05:11 Stratos wrote: You're either high or delusional, you quote my posts but I have no idea where this "conversation", which it really isn't, is possibly going next. Guess we'll never find out anyway because I really don't want to risk permanent brain damage. You are rather rude. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12023 Posts
On November 20 2013 05:15 Disregard wrote: Bisu is on a whole another level at this point, even recently active progamers don't stand a chance against him. He bodied Sea the other day, as a Sea fan but a bigger Bisu fan I was happy, but also sad at the same time, it looked like Sea didn't even have a chance. | ||
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soujiro_
Uruguay5195 Posts
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On November 20 2013 05:07 Hesmyrr wrote: Riot has not deliberately acted to damage Brood War pro-scene. Most importantly, Blizzard and Riot have not done criminal activity. w/e I can see our viewpoint are incompatible. Riot paid OGN to promote LOL - it gained success - LoL took part of BW's resources (broadcast schedules, casters, coaches, advertising, etc). And look how they treated Dota which didn't even have that. Killing BW is legal. Robbing gambling industry is not. I guess people are bitter because of the betrayal, and I agree that "Savior's actions had wider impact on eSports as a whole in Korea". I just don't understand why people can't forget and forgive, because he had done more harm to himself than to other people with this act. And he was outstanding in the past. | ||
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traceurling
United States1240 Posts
On November 20 2013 05:11 miercat wrote: I looked at the TLFE page: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlfe/ , but didn't see anything titled " before the fall. " Was he referring to the "god of the battlefield" articles? Or something else? God of the battlefield is Before the fall (unless I'm mistakes but I don't think I am) | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On November 20 2013 05:27 ForTehDarkseid wrote: Riot paid OGN to promote LOL - it gained success - LoL took part of BW's resources (broadcast schedules, casters, coaches, advertising, etc). And look how they treated Dota which didn't even have that. Killing BW is legal. Robbing gambling industry is not. I guess people are bitter because of the betrayal, and I agree that "Savior's actions had wider impact on eSports as a whole in Korea". I just don't understand why people can't forget and forgive, because he had done more harm to himself than to other people with this act. And he was outstanding in the past. You know I really didn't want to post in this thread, but here I am. He did a lot of harm not only to the scene (look at what map-fixing did to WCIII in Korea), but to all the players he got on board with the scandal. Something tells me that you weren't around for all those threads with regards to the court case and when the CJ Coach heard rumors and approached SaviOr only to be lied to. There are a lot and I do mean a lot of threads on it and it did have an impact like everything else. It's all about what have you done for me lately and in all honesty he hasn't done much. | ||
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RainmanMP
United States1698 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On November 20 2013 04:37 Hesmyrr wrote: Oi, you don't see people acting this angrily toward other match-fixers besides that wife beater. We are not forgiving Savior because he is not convincing me he has changed for the better. Ignoring his prominent role in match-fixing, let me list all the dumb things Savior has done since his debut in Afreeca, besides his general unrepentant attitude:
By the way, Lee Seung Won stated that MBC Game did not have to disband but was forced to due to the channel's director. Apparently MBC Game was still pretty well off at the time compared to some other MBC channels, but the director told the channel to stop doing special events that were the main source of channel's income, then when MBC Game started losing money because of it, used it as excuse to replace it with MBC Music. Thought I should mention this tidbit since this seems to be information not widely known. Still doesn't change Savior nearly killed the Korean e-sported industry and is unrepentant about it. Is using Pirated Starcraft really that bad? lol? | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On November 20 2013 06:03 StarStruck wrote: You know I really didn't want to post in this thread, but here I am. He did a lot of harm not only to the scene (look at what map-fixing did to WCIII in Korea), but to all the players he got on board with the scandal. I do not buy the idea that other players wouldn't be matchfixing, if not Savior. It isn't like he blackmailed them into doing it, right? They were partners in crime. Something tells me that you weren't around for all those threads with regards to the court case and when the CJ Coach heard rumors and approached SaviOr only to be lied to. There are a lot and I do mean a lot of threads on it and it did have an impact like everything else.. I am sure I wasn't feeling the same way about Savior that time I do now. It's all about what have you done for me lately and in all honesty he hasn't done much. He had carried his prison sentence, didn't he? | ||
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sheaRZerg
United States613 Posts
I am not saying the Savior should be forgiven, but the assertion that he somehow single-handedly killed broodwar seems farfetched, and short-sighted argument. In my opinion its a harmful attitude in general. In the aftermath Kespa actually started taking actions that would have counteracted match fixing (for which I seem to remember hearing accounts that activities had been going on before saviors involvement). Wouldn't it be more productive to learn from the flaws in the original system? If the bw scene is going to recover and grow again I think it really needs to become more self aware that there was blame to spread around the scene for those events. If one bad egg can really kill such a long running organization, there are surely other problems that need to be looked at. This may be an extremely western attitude, but I also feel the fact that Savior keeps sticking around is testament to him genuinely caring about bw. If the hatred against him is as intense in Korea as it is on teamliquid (and since everyone always refers to culture when discussing savior, i assume it must be even stronger) wouldn't it be so much easier for him to just leave? Literally anything he does that involves the game will send people into a rage. Should he remain banned from Korean tournaments? Yes. But I for one can't get behind this anger that he is wrong for some individuals still wanting to support him and see him play. Its an extremely prevalent, toxic attitude, and reason itself to not want to associate with the scene. edit: I'd just like to add that I hope there isnt a backlash against movie...this seems like a good opportunity, when there are so few for ex-kespa pros at the moment. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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CutTheEnemy
Canada373 Posts
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
On November 20 2013 06:21 ForTehDarkseid wrote: He had carried his prison sentence, didn't he? he never had a sentence | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12023 Posts
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
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ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1693 Posts
On November 20 2013 07:52 CutTheEnemy wrote: I think TL needs to boycott the broadcasts in a public way. That would have no effect on Savior. It would damage the tournament, which wouldn't be good. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
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Falling
Canada11367 Posts
On November 20 2013 08:18 ImbaTosS wrote: That would have no effect on Savior. It would damage the tournament, which wouldn't be good. Plus do boycotts ever work? The only ones I have seen are ones where the negative attention just more attention to the thing they wanted boycotted and therefore more people interested in the thing that was supposed to be boycotted. | ||
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