On November 21 2013 00:56 Hesmyrr wrote: I am of the opinion that all pro-Savior and anti-Savior thread should automatically be closed. People who want to watch him can go watch him and vice versa, end of the story, but instead we always get this stupid cesspool whenever the topic is brought up.
I agree.
No more "you should" when it comes to Savior. Let people feel how they want. It's not anyone's place to argue for how someone else is supposed to feel.
Edit: If you were a fan, you would already be following him. Topics like this shouldn't be necessary to alert Savior fans of his appearances. I don't really care if somebody in China feels Savior should be allowed to play, that's for them to decide.
Exactly freaking this. People are so damn self righteous and outraged at anything these days. It's his freedom to play. It's the tournament's freedom to allow him to play (hell, they could allow map hacking too, it's up to them. Nobody would watch, but...). If you don't like it, that's your freedom not to watch. Please don't go telling the world to act differently because you don't have the ability to move on from something that happened 3 years ago and wasn't even really that important.
Nobody died. There are much worse things in the world than fixing matches for money.
Yeah, tell that to Hite Sparkyz. And don't bring the bad on the world here when this is about bw, and on bw related things, match-fixing it's one the worst things it could happen to it.
sparkyz it was depressing that most of hite's players were into match fixing ._. heck, they even told the opponents of what their teammates build gonna use. i remember that go.go told Leta's opponent that he was gonna go 2 fac or something (vague memory).
I wonder what would have happened if the match fixing didn't come out until after the SC2 switch and how much drama it would have caused in SC2 General.
On November 21 2013 00:56 Hesmyrr wrote: I am of the opinion that all pro-Savior and anti-Savior thread should automatically be closed. People who want to watch him can go watch him and vice versa, end of the story, but instead we always get this stupid cesspool whenever the topic is brought up.
I agree.
No more "you should" when it comes to Savior. Let people feel how they want. It's not anyone's place to argue for how someone else is supposed to feel.
Edit: If you were a fan, you would already be following him. Topics like this shouldn't be necessary to alert Savior fans of his appearances. I don't really care if somebody in China feels Savior should be allowed to play, that's for them to decide.
Exactly freaking this. People are so damn self righteous and outraged at anything these days. It's his freedom to play. It's the tournament's freedom to allow him to play (hell, they could allow map hacking too, it's up to them. Nobody would watch, but...). If you don't like it, that's your freedom not to watch. Please don't go telling the world to act differently because you don't have the ability to move on from something that happened 3 years ago and wasn't even really that important.
Nobody died. There are much worse things in the world than fixing matches for money.
Yeah, tell that to Hite Sparkyz. And don't bring the bad on the world here when this is about bw, and on bw related things, match-fixing it's one the worst things it could happen to it.
sparkyz it was depressing that most of hite's players were into match fixing ._. heck, they even told the opponents of what their teammates build gonna use. i remember that go.go told Leta's opponent that he was gonna go 2 fac or something (vague memory).
Yes he told that to Hwasin. He still lost the game, which put him in a difficult situation ;;
On November 22 2013 17:04 Antisocialmunky wrote: I wonder what would have happened if the match fixing didn't come out until after the SC2 switch and how much drama it would have caused in SC2 General.
On November 21 2013 00:56 Hesmyrr wrote: I am of the opinion that all pro-Savior and anti-Savior thread should automatically be closed. People who want to watch him can go watch him and vice versa, end of the story, but instead we always get this stupid cesspool whenever the topic is brought up.
I agree.
No more "you should" when it comes to Savior. Let people feel how they want. It's not anyone's place to argue for how someone else is supposed to feel.
Edit: If you were a fan, you would already be following him. Topics like this shouldn't be necessary to alert Savior fans of his appearances. I don't really care if somebody in China feels Savior should be allowed to play, that's for them to decide.
Exactly freaking this. People are so damn self righteous and outraged at anything these days. It's his freedom to play. It's the tournament's freedom to allow him to play (hell, they could allow map hacking too, it's up to them. Nobody would watch, but...). If you don't like it, that's your freedom not to watch. Please don't go telling the world to act differently because you don't have the ability to move on from something that happened 3 years ago and wasn't even really that important.
Nobody died. There are much worse things in the world than fixing matches for money.
Yeah, tell that to Hite Sparkyz. And don't bring the bad on the world here when this is about bw, and on bw related things, match-fixing it's one the worst things it could happen to it.
sparkyz it was depressing that most of hite's players were into match fixing ._. heck, they even told the opponents of what their teammates build gonna use. i remember that go.go told Leta's opponent that he was gonna go 2 fac or something (vague memory).
Yes he told that to Hwasin. He still lost the game, which put him in a difficult situation ;;
On November 22 2013 19:40 Caihead wrote: I guess he is allowed to play in China so that's cool? Is he even good at BW nowadays? Look forward to Movie for sure though.
No he has been pretty bad compared to the current SOSPA players for over 2 years now.
On November 22 2013 02:27 miercat wrote: Does anyone know if he got fired/resigned due to backlash from this decision? Was there any backlash from Korean fans, based on this information being relatively known in Korea (from shows like this)?
The gaming is viewed way too negatively by Korean adult population for this to be considered unacceptable. Just look at the shutdown law and how the general media portrays gaming (prior to this, MBC News had ridiculously biased piece with well-known "study" where they suddenly turned off the power of PC Bang, saw people get angry in response, then determined that to be proof that gaming encourages violence).
To my understanding most shrugged 'expected' and moved on. Quite ironic for mecca of e-sports.
On November 22 2013 02:27 miercat wrote: (prior to this, MBC News had ridiculously biased piece with well-known "study" where they suddenly turned off the power of PC Bang, saw people get angry in response, then determined that to be proof that gaming encourages violence).
On November 22 2013 02:27 miercat wrote: (prior to this, MBC News had ridiculously biased piece with well-known "study" where they suddenly turned off the power of PC Bang, saw people get angry in response, then determined that to be proof that gaming encourages violence).
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
walk onto football field. shank football. you guys are mad? clearly football encourages violence!
On November 22 2013 02:27 miercat wrote: (prior to this, MBC News had ridiculously biased piece with well-known "study" where they suddenly turned off the power of PC Bang, saw people get angry in response, then determined that to be proof that gaming encourages violence).
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
walk onto football field. shank football. you guys are mad? clearly football encourages violence!
Somebody do a similar "study" on the New York stock exchange PLEASE.
On November 22 2013 02:27 miercat wrote: (prior to this, MBC News had ridiculously biased piece with well-known "study" where they suddenly turned off the power of PC Bang, saw people get angry in response, then determined that to be proof that gaming encourages violence).
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This experiment was just filled with lols.
But it also explains how the Korean society tries to tie gaming with bad things.
On November 23 2013 05:04 jinorazi wrote: Well I hear cheating is standard in china so support of savior I don't mind. (Chinese parents and students protested for right to cheat recently)
What? China does have an epidemic problem with cheating but that's with in another field (academics) and one linked with vastly more complicated issues and moral grey areas.
And this "protesting for right to cheat" is completely sensationalist, they were protesting the fact that external monitors were brought in and students were frisked and pressured which obviously would have a negative effect on them when you consider that it's not standard protocol at all, as well as the fact that it's selective probing against cheating, this wasn't enforced nation wide, only in one city at one school.
You know, now that I think about it... the only Chinese BW semi pro gameplay I've ever seen were like three different Chinese Zergs proxy sunken rushing Koreans.
On November 23 2013 09:32 Antisocialmunky wrote: You know, now that I think about it... the only Chinese BW semi pro gameplay I've ever seen were like three different Chinese Zergs proxy sunken rushing Koreans.
On November 23 2013 09:32 Antisocialmunky wrote: You know, now that I think about it... the only Chinese BW semi pro gameplay I've ever seen were like three different Chinese Zergs proxy sunken rushing Koreans.
I saw a chinese Terran own GoOdy in WCG
Pretty sure I saw a Chinese Protoss own sAviOr in WCG.
EPT
it was depressing that most of hite's players were into match fixing ._. heck, they even told the opponents of what their teammates build gonna use. i remember that go.go told Leta's opponent that he was gonna go 2 fac or something (vague memory).
