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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-22 04:49:32
November 22 2013 04:49 GMT
#241
On November 21 2013 23:59 Golondrin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 19:42 chairmobile wrote:
On November 21 2013 06:06 hp.Shell wrote:
On November 21 2013 00:56 Hesmyrr wrote:
I am of the opinion that all pro-Savior and anti-Savior thread should automatically be closed. People who want to watch him can go watch him and vice versa, end of the story, but instead we always get this stupid cesspool whenever the topic is brought up.

I agree.

No more "you should" when it comes to Savior. Let people feel how they want. It's not anyone's place to argue for how someone else is supposed to feel.

Edit: If you were a fan, you would already be following him. Topics like this shouldn't be necessary to alert Savior fans of his appearances. I don't really care if somebody in China feels Savior should be allowed to play, that's for them to decide.

Exactly freaking this. People are so damn self righteous and outraged at anything these days.
It's his freedom to play. It's the tournament's freedom to allow him to play (hell, they could allow map hacking too, it's up to them. Nobody would watch, but...). If you don't like it, that's your freedom not to watch. Please don't go telling the world to act differently because you don't have the ability to move on from something that happened 3 years ago and wasn't even really that important.

Nobody died.
There are much worse things in the world than fixing matches for money.


Yeah, tell that to Hite Sparkyz. And don't bring the bad on the world here when this is about bw, and on bw related things, match-fixing it's one the worst things it could happen to it.


sparkyz it was depressing that most of hite's players were into match fixing ._. heck, they even told the opponents of what their teammates build gonna use. i remember that go.go told Leta's opponent that he was gonna go 2 fac or something (vague memory).
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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5913 Posts
November 22 2013 08:04 GMT
#242
I wonder what would have happened if the match fixing didn't come out until after the SC2 switch and how much drama it would have caused in SC2 General.
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Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
November 22 2013 08:07 GMT
#243
Weak move to allow them back in. I guess "banned for life" isn't that long after all. Despicable.
11 years and counting- TL #680
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
November 22 2013 08:40 GMT
#244
On November 22 2013 17:07 Monsen wrote:
Weak move to allow them back in. I guess "banned for life" isn't that long after all. Despicable.


mOvie never match fixed

KeSPA were the ones who banned sAviOr for life, not these chinese guys
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-22 09:57:17
November 22 2013 09:54 GMT
#245
On November 22 2013 13:49 icystorage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 23:59 Golondrin wrote:
On November 21 2013 19:42 chairmobile wrote:
On November 21 2013 06:06 hp.Shell wrote:
On November 21 2013 00:56 Hesmyrr wrote:
I am of the opinion that all pro-Savior and anti-Savior thread should automatically be closed. People who want to watch him can go watch him and vice versa, end of the story, but instead we always get this stupid cesspool whenever the topic is brought up.

I agree.

No more "you should" when it comes to Savior. Let people feel how they want. It's not anyone's place to argue for how someone else is supposed to feel.

Edit: If you were a fan, you would already be following him. Topics like this shouldn't be necessary to alert Savior fans of his appearances. I don't really care if somebody in China feels Savior should be allowed to play, that's for them to decide.

Exactly freaking this. People are so damn self righteous and outraged at anything these days.
It's his freedom to play. It's the tournament's freedom to allow him to play (hell, they could allow map hacking too, it's up to them. Nobody would watch, but...). If you don't like it, that's your freedom not to watch. Please don't go telling the world to act differently because you don't have the ability to move on from something that happened 3 years ago and wasn't even really that important.

Nobody died.
There are much worse things in the world than fixing matches for money.


Yeah, tell that to Hite Sparkyz. And don't bring the bad on the world here when this is about bw, and on bw related things, match-fixing it's one the worst things it could happen to it.


sparkyz it was depressing that most of hite's players were into match fixing ._. heck, they even told the opponents of what their teammates build gonna use. i remember that go.go told Leta's opponent that he was gonna go 2 fac or something (vague memory).


Yes he told that to Hwasin. He still lost the game, which put him in a difficult situation ;;

Btw does the game have been played ?
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10890 Posts
November 22 2013 10:09 GMT
#246
On November 22 2013 17:04 Antisocialmunky wrote:
I wonder what would have happened if the match fixing didn't come out until after the SC2 switch and how much drama it would have caused in SC2 General.


lol , that would be insane!
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
November 22 2013 10:33 GMT
#247
On November 22 2013 18:54 Glioburd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 13:49 icystorage wrote:
On November 21 2013 23:59 Golondrin wrote:
On November 21 2013 19:42 chairmobile wrote:
On November 21 2013 06:06 hp.Shell wrote:
On November 21 2013 00:56 Hesmyrr wrote:
I am of the opinion that all pro-Savior and anti-Savior thread should automatically be closed. People who want to watch him can go watch him and vice versa, end of the story, but instead we always get this stupid cesspool whenever the topic is brought up.

I agree.

No more "you should" when it comes to Savior. Let people feel how they want. It's not anyone's place to argue for how someone else is supposed to feel.

Edit: If you were a fan, you would already be following him. Topics like this shouldn't be necessary to alert Savior fans of his appearances. I don't really care if somebody in China feels Savior should be allowed to play, that's for them to decide.

Exactly freaking this. People are so damn self righteous and outraged at anything these days.
It's his freedom to play. It's the tournament's freedom to allow him to play (hell, they could allow map hacking too, it's up to them. Nobody would watch, but...). If you don't like it, that's your freedom not to watch. Please don't go telling the world to act differently because you don't have the ability to move on from something that happened 3 years ago and wasn't even really that important.

Nobody died.
There are much worse things in the world than fixing matches for money.


Yeah, tell that to Hite Sparkyz. And don't bring the bad on the world here when this is about bw, and on bw related things, match-fixing it's one the worst things it could happen to it.


sparkyz it was depressing that most of hite's players were into match fixing ._. heck, they even told the opponents of what their teammates build gonna use. i remember that go.go told Leta's opponent that he was gonna go 2 fac or something (vague memory).


Yes he told that to Hwasin. He still lost the game, which put him in a difficult situation ;;

Btw does the game have been played ?


2v2 online qualifiers yes

1v1 online qualifiers still ongoing

Main event happens at month end
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
November 22 2013 10:40 GMT
#248
I guess he is allowed to play in China so that's cool? Is he even good at BW nowadays? Look forward to Movie for sure though.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
November 22 2013 12:34 GMT
#249
On November 22 2013 19:40 Caihead wrote:
I guess he is allowed to play in China so that's cool? Is he even good at BW nowadays? Look forward to Movie for sure though.

No he has been pretty bad compared to the current SOSPA players for over 2 years now.
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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-22 15:15:26
November 22 2013 15:10 GMT
#250
On November 22 2013 02:27 miercat wrote:
Does anyone know if he got fired/resigned due to backlash from this decision? Was there any backlash from Korean fans, based on this information being relatively known in Korea (from shows like this)?

The gaming is viewed way too negatively by Korean adult population for this to be considered unacceptable. Just look at the shutdown law and how the general media portrays gaming (prior to this, MBC News had ridiculously biased piece with well-known "study" where they suddenly turned off the power of PC Bang, saw people get angry in response, then determined that to be proof that gaming encourages violence).

To my understanding most shrugged 'expected' and moved on. Quite ironic for mecca of e-sports.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3523 Posts
November 22 2013 15:14 GMT
#251
>>Proleague: Shinhan Bank -> SK Planet
OSL: Korean Air -> Tving
MSL: Hana Bank -> ABC Mart<<

Korean Air (multiple times) was well after matching fixing, and subsidiary Jin Air is still sponsoring esports. Get your facts straight.
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-22 17:45:57
November 22 2013 17:45 GMT
#252
On November 22 2013 02:27 miercat wrote:
(prior to this, MBC News had ridiculously biased piece with well-known "study" where they suddenly turned off the power of PC Bang, saw people get angry in response, then determined that to be proof that gaming encourages violence).



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
November 22 2013 18:14 GMT
#253
On November 23 2013 02:45 vOdToasT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 02:27 miercat wrote:
(prior to this, MBC News had ridiculously biased piece with well-known "study" where they suddenly turned off the power of PC Bang, saw people get angry in response, then determined that to be proof that gaming encourages violence).



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

walk onto football field. shank football. you guys are mad? clearly football encourages violence!
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
November 22 2013 19:50 GMT
#254
On November 23 2013 03:14 Epoxide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 02:45 vOdToasT wrote:
On November 22 2013 02:27 miercat wrote:
(prior to this, MBC News had ridiculously biased piece with well-known "study" where they suddenly turned off the power of PC Bang, saw people get angry in response, then determined that to be proof that gaming encourages violence).



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

walk onto football field. shank football. you guys are mad? clearly football encourages violence!


Somebody do a similar "study" on the New York stock exchange PLEASE.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3048 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-22 20:03:16
November 22 2013 20:02 GMT
#255
On November 23 2013 02:45 vOdToasT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 02:27 miercat wrote:
(prior to this, MBC News had ridiculously biased piece with well-known "study" where they suddenly turned off the power of PC Bang, saw people get angry in response, then determined that to be proof that gaming encourages violence).



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



This experiment was just filled with lols.

But it also explains how the Korean society tries to tie gaming with bad things.
ppp
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
November 22 2013 20:04 GMT
#256
Well I hear cheating is standard in china so support of savior I don't mind. (Chinese parents and students protested for right to cheat recently)
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
November 22 2013 20:26 GMT
#257
On November 23 2013 05:04 jinorazi wrote:
Well I hear cheating is standard in china so support of savior I don't mind. (Chinese parents and students protested for right to cheat recently)


What? China does have an epidemic problem with cheating but that's with in another field (academics) and one linked with vastly more complicated issues and moral grey areas.

+ Show Spoiler +
And this "protesting for right to cheat" is completely sensationalist, they were protesting the fact that external monitors were brought in and students were frisked and pressured which obviously would have a negative effect on them when you consider that it's not standard protocol at all, as well as the fact that it's selective probing against cheating, this wasn't enforced nation wide, only in one city at one school.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5913 Posts
November 23 2013 00:32 GMT
#258
You know, now that I think about it... the only Chinese BW semi pro gameplay I've ever seen were like three different Chinese Zergs proxy sunken rushing Koreans.
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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
November 23 2013 01:23 GMT
#259
On November 23 2013 09:32 Antisocialmunky wrote:
You know, now that I think about it... the only Chinese BW semi pro gameplay I've ever seen were like three different Chinese Zergs proxy sunken rushing Koreans.


I saw a chinese Terran own GoOdy in WCG
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
November 23 2013 01:44 GMT
#260
On November 23 2013 10:23 vOdToasT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 09:32 Antisocialmunky wrote:
You know, now that I think about it... the only Chinese BW semi pro gameplay I've ever seen were like three different Chinese Zergs proxy sunken rushing Koreans.


I saw a chinese Terran own GoOdy in WCG


Pretty sure I saw a Chinese Protoss own sAviOr in WCG.
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