EPTDespite what he did, he was and probably still is the best zerg to ever grace Starcraft. Jaedong was amazing as well, but Savior took a race nobody really understood at all and he dominated. If I think of Broodwar and think of Zerg, I think of Saviour, July and Jaedong, despite what happened.
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Qikz
United Kingdom12043 Posts
Despite what he did, he was and probably still is the best zerg to ever grace Starcraft. Jaedong was amazing as well, but Savior took a race nobody really understood at all and he dominated. If I think of Broodwar and think of Zerg, I think of Saviour, July and Jaedong, despite what happened. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
By the way, Lee Seung Won stated that MBC Game did not have to disband but was forced to due to the channel's director. Apparently MBC Game was still pretty well off at the time compared to some other MBC channels, but the director told the channel to stop doing special events that were the main source of channel's income, then when MBC Game started losing money because of it, used it as excuse to replace it with MBC Music. Thought I should mention this tidbit since this seems to be information not widely known. Still doesn't change Savior nearly killed the Korean e-sported industry and is unrepentant about it. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
On November 20 2013 04:37 Hesmyrr wrote: Oi, you don't see people acting this angrily toward other match-fixers besides that wife beater. We are not forgiving Savior because he is not convincing me he has changed for the better. Ignoring his prominent role in match-fixing, let me list all the dumb things Savior has done since his debut in Afreeca, besides his general unrepetent attitude:
By the way, Lee Seung Won stated that MBC Game did not have to disband but was forced to due to the channel's director. Apparently MBC Game was still pretty well off at the time compared to some other MBC channels, but the director told the channel to stop doing special events that were the main source of channel's income, then when MBC Game started losing money because of it, used it as excuse to replace it with MBC Music. Thought I should mention this tidbit since this seems to be information not widely known. Still doesn't change Savior nearly killed the Korean e-sported industry. And I would like to argue that those special events were shut down because of match fixing. Or rather, match fixing had something to do with MBCGame shutting down Source: http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=441361 You're correct on the money part. They had income. Rather, the producers of this particular show explains that its the other factors that forced MBCGame to shut down, as they were doing well financially. | ||
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Mewka
Poland1458 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
The guy was at least 21 when he made his decision, he knew fully well what he was doing. Matchfixing (of a different sort) shut down WC3 in Korea, so it's not like there wasn't any precedent either. Just read the Boxer and Savior interview, and feel the disgust afterwards .. fuck him | ||
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suicideyear
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On November 20 2013 04:29 Stratos wrote: I'm asking because all I ever hear about Savior is the bad stuff. Then there's a few defenders but they never come with anything concrete and good to say about the guy. Instead they just give random statements like "people change" "time to forgive" "good now" "stop hate". It should be enough for reasonable people. Look how big part of e-Sports community moved to LoL after the death of BW proscene | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
On November 20 2013 04:45 ForTehDarkseid wrote: It should be enough for reasonable people. Look how big part of e-Sports community moved to LoL after the death of BW proscene Where does LoL come in to this argument? | ||
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LuMiX
China5757 Posts
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On November 20 2013 04:46 supernovamaniac wrote: What does LoL have to do with this argument? It represents everything BW isn't. It means people change with time or something. Nobody who cared about BW scene supports Savior's actions, of course, but we continue to admire him for his unparralled achievements before. People who want to remember only bad things are not rational in mind. | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
On November 20 2013 04:49 ForTehDarkseid wrote: It represents everything BW isn't. It means people change with time or something. Everyone knows people can change. But he specifically states he believes that Savior has changed and I ask for some examples (of his behaviour) that would back that claim. If you think "People change" and "someone who played BW plays LoL now" is enough of a proof that a specific person has changed for the better, then you need a reality check or something. jesus | ||
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oBlade
United States6330 Posts
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On November 20 2013 04:53 Stratos wrote: Everyone knows people can change. But he specifically states he believes that Savior has changed and I ask for some examples (of his behaviour) that would back that claim. If you think "People change" and "someone who played BW plays LoL now" is enough of a proof that a specific person has changed for the better, then you need a reality check or something. jesus No. I meant Riot and Blizzard played more significant role in killing BW proscene, like it or not. Now people support these companies like it didn't happen at all, but refuse to forgive Savior at the same time. That's hypocrisy, at best. Maestro was unique. at least. Doesn't matter what he represents now. All idols fall, reality checked. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
On November 20 2013 05:01 ForTehDarkseid wrote: No. I meant Riot and Blizzard played more significant role in killing BW proscene, like it or not. Now people support these companies like it didn't happen at all, but refuse to forgive Savior. That's hypocrisy, at best. I don't like Blizzard and have never bought their games for years. I doubt many people on this forum love Blizzard either with risk of being called elitist. Riot has not deliberately acted to damage Brood War pro-scene. Most importantly, Blizzard and Riot have not done criminal activity. w/e I can see our viewpoint are incompatible. | ||
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FuryDrone
16 Posts
On November 20 2013 04:44 suicideyear wrote: i would watch him play just out of curiosity to see if he is still any good. ^ One good post in this topic. | ||
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On November 20 2013 05:01 ForTehDarkseid wrote: No. I meant Riot and Blizzard played more significant role in killing BW proscene, like it or not. Now people support these companies like it didn't happen at all, but refuse to forgive Savior. That's hypocrisy, at best. lolwtf ... you notice that most BW fans have an extreme dislike towards Blizz for the stunts they pulled right? It was Blizz's and Savior's actions that brought the abrupt, early end of the BW pro-scene, and Savior's actions had wider impact on eSports as a whole in Korea. Riot has nothing to do with this | ||
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miercat
394 Posts
On November 20 2013 03:10 traceurling wrote: It's in featured articles....TLFE Man savior playing again :/ I looked at the TLFE page: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlfe/ , but didn't see anything titled " before the fall. " Was he referring to the "god of the battlefield" articles? Or something else? | ||
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Kittan
Poland3999 Posts
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
On November 20 2013 05:01 ForTehDarkseid wrote: No. I meant Riot and Blizzard played more significant role in killing BW proscene, like it or not. Now people support these companies like it didn't happen at all, but refuse to forgive Savior at the same time. That's hypocrisy, at best. Maestro was unique, at least. Doesn't matter what he represent now for me. All idols fall. You're either high or delusional, you quote my posts but I have no idea where this "conversation", which it really isn't, is possibly going next. Guess we'll never find out anyway because I really don't want to risk permanent brain damage. | ||
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