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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
November 19 2013 19:36 GMT
#41
On November 20 2013 04:30 dOTY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 04:12 GeckoXp wrote:
thrilled to see the zerg playing again.


tard


Despite what he did, he was and probably still is the best zerg to ever grace Starcraft. Jaedong was amazing as well, but Savior took a race nobody really understood at all and he dominated. If I think of Broodwar and think of Zerg, I think of Saviour, July and Jaedong, despite what happened.
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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 19:42:36
November 19 2013 19:37 GMT
#42
Oi, you don't see people acting this angrily toward other match-fixers besides that wife beater. We are not forgiving Savior because he is not convincing me he has changed for the better. Ignoring his prominent role in match-fixing, let me list all the dumb things Savior has done since his debut in Afreeca, besides his general unrepentant attitude:

  • Starts paid starcraft lesson for his subscribers, $28.5 per 90 minutes. Nate Sports
  • Has been shown in multiple occasion to use pirated Starcraft, even ASKING FOR CD KEY for him to use from others.
  • "I served as a broker but never participated in match-fixing" Fomos
  • "In this time and age, how long [will one keep playing] 2D game? Brood War is finished." dcinside
    (during his brief switchover to LoL)



By the way, Lee Seung Won stated that MBC Game did not have to disband but was forced to due to the channel's director. Apparently MBC Game was still pretty well off at the time compared to some other MBC channels, but the director told the channel to stop doing special events that were the main source of channel's income, then when MBC Game started losing money because of it, used it as excuse to replace it with MBC Music. Thought I should mention this tidbit since this seems to be information not widely known.

Still doesn't change Savior nearly killed the Korean e-sported industry and is unrepentant about it.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 19:42:17
November 19 2013 19:39 GMT
#43
On November 20 2013 04:37 Hesmyrr wrote:
Oi, you don't see people acting this angrily toward other match-fixers besides that wife beater. We are not forgiving Savior because he is not convincing me he has changed for the better. Ignoring his prominent role in match-fixing, let me list all the dumb things Savior has done since his debut in Afreeca, besides his general unrepetent attitude:

  • Starts paid starcraft lesson for his subscribers, $28.5 per 90 minutes. Nate Sports
  • "I served as a broker but never participated in match-fixing" Fomos
  • "In this time and age, how long [will one keep playing] 2D game? Brood War is finished." dcinside
    (during his brief switchover to LoL)



By the way, Lee Seung Won stated that MBC Game did not have to disband but was forced to due to the channel's director. Apparently MBC Game was still pretty well off at the time compared to some other MBC channels, but the director told the channel to stop doing special events that were the main source of channel's income, then when MBC Game started losing money because of it, used it as excuse to replace it with MBC Music. Thought I should mention this tidbit since this seems to be information not widely known.

Still doesn't change Savior nearly killed the Korean e-sported industry.

And I would like to argue that those special events were shut down because of match fixing. Or rather, match fixing had something to do with MBCGame shutting down

Source: http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=441361

You're correct on the money part. They had income. Rather, the producers of this particular show explains that its the other factors that forced MBCGame to shut down, as they were doing well financially.
ppp
Mewka
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland1458 Posts
November 19 2013 19:41 GMT
#44
stream link ?
Mewka, Mewka[AoV], Fox.Mewka, Mewman
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 19 2013 19:42 GMT
#45
this is ridiculous, if a guy came to your store and smashed apart your merchandise and a wall, would you let him back in?

The guy was at least 21 when he made his decision, he knew fully well what he was doing. Matchfixing (of a different sort) shut down WC3 in Korea, so it's not like there wasn't any precedent either. Just read the Boxer and Savior interview, and feel the disgust afterwards .. fuck him
Writerptrk
suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
November 19 2013 19:44 GMT
#46
i would watch him play just out of curiosity to see if he is still any good.
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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
November 19 2013 19:44 GMT
#47
Ya fuck the guy.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
November 19 2013 19:45 GMT
#48
On November 20 2013 04:29 Stratos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 03:48 traceurling wrote:
People change. Savior definitely hurt the scene but everything can't be pinned on him. I'm of the opinion that he is a different person than he was a few years earlier.

I'm asking because all I ever hear about Savior is the bad stuff. Then there's a few defenders but they never come with anything concrete and good to say about the guy. Instead they just give random statements like "people change" "time to forgive" "good now" "stop hate".

It should be enough for reasonable people.

Look how big part of e-Sports community moved to LoL after the death of BW proscene
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 19:47:45
November 19 2013 19:46 GMT
#49
On November 20 2013 04:45 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 04:29 Stratos wrote:
On November 20 2013 03:48 traceurling wrote:
People change. Savior definitely hurt the scene but everything can't be pinned on him. I'm of the opinion that he is a different person than he was a few years earlier.

I'm asking because all I ever hear about Savior is the bad stuff. Then there's a few defenders but they never come with anything concrete and good to say about the guy. Instead they just give random statements like "people change" "time to forgive" "good now" "stop hate".

It should be enough for reasonable people.

Look how big part of e-Sports community moved to LoL after the death of BW proscene

Where does LoL come in to this argument?
ppp
LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
November 19 2013 19:48 GMT
#50
awww yea MJY!!!! :D
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 19:57:29
November 19 2013 19:49 GMT
#51
On November 20 2013 04:46 supernovamaniac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 04:45 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On November 20 2013 04:29 Stratos wrote:
On November 20 2013 03:48 traceurling wrote:
People change. Savior definitely hurt the scene but everything can't be pinned on him. I'm of the opinion that he is a different person than he was a few years earlier.

I'm asking because all I ever hear about Savior is the bad stuff. Then there's a few defenders but they never come with anything concrete and good to say about the guy. Instead they just give random statements like "people change" "time to forgive" "good now" "stop hate".

It should be enough for reasonable people.

Look how big part of e-Sports community moved to LoL after the death of BW proscene

What does LoL have to do with this argument?

It represents everything BW isn't. It means people change with time or something.

Nobody who cared about BW scene supports Savior's actions, of course, but we continue to admire him for his unparralled achievements before.

People who want to remember only bad things are not rational in mind.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 19:54:49
November 19 2013 19:53 GMT
#52
On November 20 2013 04:49 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 04:46 supernovamaniac wrote:
On November 20 2013 04:45 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On November 20 2013 04:29 Stratos wrote:
On November 20 2013 03:48 traceurling wrote:
People change. Savior definitely hurt the scene but everything can't be pinned on him. I'm of the opinion that he is a different person than he was a few years earlier.

I'm asking because all I ever hear about Savior is the bad stuff. Then there's a few defenders but they never come with anything concrete and good to say about the guy. Instead they just give random statements like "people change" "time to forgive" "good now" "stop hate".

It should be enough for reasonable people.

Look how big part of e-Sports community moved to LoL after the death of BW proscene

What does LoL have to do with this argument?

It represents everything BW isn't. It means people change with time or something.

Everyone knows people can change. But he specifically states he believes that Savior has changed and I ask for some examples (of his behaviour) that would back that claim.

If you think "People change" and "someone who played BW plays LoL now" is enough of a proof that a specific person has changed for the better, then you need a reality check or something. jesus
En Taro Violet
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5548 Posts
November 19 2013 20:01 GMT
#53
Good for these two, it's always nice to see them playing. Who else is in the event?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 20:08:32
November 19 2013 20:01 GMT
#54
On November 20 2013 04:53 Stratos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 04:49 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On November 20 2013 04:46 supernovamaniac wrote:
On November 20 2013 04:45 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On November 20 2013 04:29 Stratos wrote:
On November 20 2013 03:48 traceurling wrote:
People change. Savior definitely hurt the scene but everything can't be pinned on him. I'm of the opinion that he is a different person than he was a few years earlier.

I'm asking because all I ever hear about Savior is the bad stuff. Then there's a few defenders but they never come with anything concrete and good to say about the guy. Instead they just give random statements like "people change" "time to forgive" "good now" "stop hate".

It should be enough for reasonable people.

Look how big part of e-Sports community moved to LoL after the death of BW proscene

What does LoL have to do with this argument?

It represents everything BW isn't. It means people change with time or something.

Everyone knows people can change. But he specifically states he believes that Savior has changed and I ask for some examples (of his behaviour) that would back that claim.

If you think "People change" and "someone who played BW plays LoL now" is enough of a proof that a specific person has changed for the better, then you need a reality check or something. jesus

No. I meant Riot and Blizzard played more significant role in killing BW proscene, like it or not.
Now people support these companies like it didn't happen at all, but refuse to forgive Savior at the same time. That's hypocrisy, at best.

Maestro was unique. at least. Doesn't matter what he represents now. All idols fall, reality checked.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
November 19 2013 20:07 GMT
#55
On November 20 2013 05:01 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 04:53 Stratos wrote:
On November 20 2013 04:49 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On November 20 2013 04:46 supernovamaniac wrote:
On November 20 2013 04:45 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On November 20 2013 04:29 Stratos wrote:
On November 20 2013 03:48 traceurling wrote:
People change. Savior definitely hurt the scene but everything can't be pinned on him. I'm of the opinion that he is a different person than he was a few years earlier.

I'm asking because all I ever hear about Savior is the bad stuff. Then there's a few defenders but they never come with anything concrete and good to say about the guy. Instead they just give random statements like "people change" "time to forgive" "good now" "stop hate".

It should be enough for reasonable people.

Look how big part of e-Sports community moved to LoL after the death of BW proscene

What does LoL have to do with this argument?

It represents everything BW isn't. It means people change with time or something.

Everyone knows people can change. But he specifically states he believes that Savior has changed and I ask for some examples (of his behaviour) that would back that claim.

If you think "People change" and "someone who played BW plays LoL now" is enough of a proof that a specific person has changed for the better, then you need a reality check or something. jesus

No. I meant Riot and Blizzard played more significant role in killing BW proscene, like it or not.
Now people support these companies like it didn't happen at all, but refuse to forgive Savior. That's hypocrisy, at best.

I don't like Blizzard and have never bought their games for years. I doubt many people on this forum love Blizzard either with risk of being called elitist.
Riot has not deliberately acted to damage Brood War pro-scene.

Most importantly, Blizzard and Riot have not done criminal activity.
w/e I can see our viewpoint are incompatible.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
FuryDrone
Profile Joined April 2012
16 Posts
November 19 2013 20:09 GMT
#56
On November 20 2013 04:44 suicideyear wrote:
i would watch him play just out of curiosity to see if he is still any good.

^
One good post in this topic.
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 20:12:12
November 19 2013 20:09 GMT
#57
On November 20 2013 05:01 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 04:53 Stratos wrote:
On November 20 2013 04:49 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On November 20 2013 04:46 supernovamaniac wrote:
On November 20 2013 04:45 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On November 20 2013 04:29 Stratos wrote:
On November 20 2013 03:48 traceurling wrote:
People change. Savior definitely hurt the scene but everything can't be pinned on him. I'm of the opinion that he is a different person than he was a few years earlier.

I'm asking because all I ever hear about Savior is the bad stuff. Then there's a few defenders but they never come with anything concrete and good to say about the guy. Instead they just give random statements like "people change" "time to forgive" "good now" "stop hate".

It should be enough for reasonable people.

Look how big part of e-Sports community moved to LoL after the death of BW proscene

What does LoL have to do with this argument?

It represents everything BW isn't. It means people change with time or something.

Everyone knows people can change. But he specifically states he believes that Savior has changed and I ask for some examples (of his behaviour) that would back that claim.

If you think "People change" and "someone who played BW plays LoL now" is enough of a proof that a specific person has changed for the better, then you need a reality check or something. jesus

No. I meant Riot and Blizzard played more significant role in killing BW proscene, like it or not.
Now people support these companies like it didn't happen at all, but refuse to forgive Savior. That's hypocrisy, at best.

lolwtf ... you notice that most BW fans have an extreme dislike towards Blizz for the stunts they pulled right? It was Blizz's and Savior's actions that brought the abrupt, early end of the BW pro-scene, and Savior's actions had wider impact on eSports as a whole in Korea. Riot has nothing to do with this
Writerptrk
miercat
Profile Joined November 2011
394 Posts
November 19 2013 20:11 GMT
#58
On November 20 2013 03:10 traceurling wrote:
It's in featured articles....TLFE
Man savior playing again :/


I looked at the TLFE page: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlfe/ , but didn't see anything titled " before the fall. " Was he referring to the "god of the battlefield" articles? Or something else?
Kittan
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland3999 Posts
November 19 2013 20:11 GMT
#59
Well it will be interesting to see him play... though I'm not expecting a lot after a long time of inactivity.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81288 <--- How I fell in love with a man, a team, a game and a website in a single day... | "There are no false gods, there is only the Emperor, and Choi Yun Sung is his prophet." -> Zona 40k
Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
November 19 2013 20:11 GMT
#60
On November 20 2013 05:01 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 04:53 Stratos wrote:
On November 20 2013 04:49 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On November 20 2013 04:46 supernovamaniac wrote:
On November 20 2013 04:45 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On November 20 2013 04:29 Stratos wrote:
On November 20 2013 03:48 traceurling wrote:
People change. Savior definitely hurt the scene but everything can't be pinned on him. I'm of the opinion that he is a different person than he was a few years earlier.

I'm asking because all I ever hear about Savior is the bad stuff. Then there's a few defenders but they never come with anything concrete and good to say about the guy. Instead they just give random statements like "people change" "time to forgive" "good now" "stop hate".

It should be enough for reasonable people.

Look how big part of e-Sports community moved to LoL after the death of BW proscene

What does LoL have to do with this argument?

It represents everything BW isn't. It means people change with time or something.

Everyone knows people can change. But he specifically states he believes that Savior has changed and I ask for some examples (of his behaviour) that would back that claim.

If you think "People change" and "someone who played BW plays LoL now" is enough of a proof that a specific person has changed for the better, then you need a reality check or something. jesus

No. I meant Riot and Blizzard played more significant role in killing BW proscene, like it or not.
Now people support these companies like it didn't happen at all, but refuse to forgive Savior at the same time. That's hypocrisy, at best.

Maestro was unique, at least. Doesn't matter what he represent now for me. All idols fall.

You're either high or delusional, you quote my posts but I have no idea where this "conversation", which it really isn't, is possibly going next. Guess we'll never find out anyway because I really don't want to risk permanent brain damage.
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