EPTSavior and Movie invited to SCNTV's BW tournament - Page 2
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
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Glioburd
France1911 Posts
On November 20 2013 02:31 ImbaTosS wrote: savior...? Can't wait for the reaction to that.. Can't wait for the GAMES ! MAESTRO FIGHTING ! | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12023 Posts
On November 20 2013 03:44 supernovamaniac wrote: You have no clue how much his actions caused impact in Korea. They impacted Korea a lot, but he was a young guy who made a bad choice, eventually people are either going to have to forget about it and move on or forgive him. Punishing someone for something like that for the rest of their entire life is just ridiculous when you compare it to some of the other things that go on. Saviour made mistakes sure, so did Movie, I think it's time people stop holding grudges and realise that maybe amazing players like them at the time are still human like the rest of us. | ||
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traceurling
United States1240 Posts
I'm excited to see Movie play the Chinese too, will we be able to watch casts and FPVs? | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On November 20 2013 03:44 supernovamaniac wrote: You have no clue how much his actions caused impact in Korea. I have, I just don't have negative feelings towards him. Like, you know, should Blizzard have some piece of responsibility or something? Yet people continue to donate them far more money than Maestro has earned during his entire career. And I don't blame them, like you tend to do. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
On November 20 2013 03:48 Qikz wrote: They impacted Korea a lot, but he was a young guy who made a bad choice, eventually people are either going to have to forget about it and move on or forgive him. Punishing someone for something like that for the rest of their entire life is just ridiculous when you compare it to some of the other things that go on. Saviour made mistakes sure, so did Movie, I think it's time people stop holding grudges and realise that maybe amazing players like them at the time are still human like the rest of us. Like I said, I forgive those who accept what they have done, admit their mistakes, learn from their mistakes and then move on. While he did admit his mistakes, his actions never reflected that he 'became a better person' by learning from his mistakes. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On November 20 2013 03:51 supernovamaniac wrote: Like I said, I forgive those who accept what they have done, admit their mistakes, learn from their mistakes and then move on. While he did admit his mistakes, his actions never reflected that he 'became a better person' by learning from his mistakes. I don't see how playing broodwar again has anything to do with the actual match fixing. Would you be ok with him streaming other games instead? I don't understand it^^ | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
On November 20 2013 03:56 The_Red_Viper wrote: I don't see how playing broodwar again has anything to do with the actual match fixing. Would you be ok with him streaming other games instead? I don't understand it^^ I wouldn't mind if he streamed other games instead. What he caused in the Korean scene.... is unspeakable to a point where the people in Korean e-Sports scene (as in, those running the leagues) do not even want to say his name. Starleague was started by people who had crazy idea that video game can become sports. While their idea was crazy to others at the time, they had the passion. Their passion led to MSL/OSL and Proleague. What this match fixer did was bringing down everyone's effort for past ~10 years. To me, him streaming BW was a direct 'fuck you' to those who truly care about e-Sports. Many fans were hurt from the incident (by the fact that their idol was too selfish to even think about match fixing), sponsorships dropped, and a television studio (MBCGame) shut down partially, if not entirely, due to match fixing scandal. However, instead of reflecting on his mistakes as Progamer, he's still finding ways to make money through a game he helped destroy. To the e-Sports personnel, the players, and the fans, we pretty much received the biggest middle finger. While people in esports were having a hard time keeping the scene together and make sure the entire scene does not collapse, Savior only thought about himself and not the pain he caused for many others who loved esports. That's why most people didn't like it when Savior started streaming. They especially did not like it when Savior tried to do paid tutoring in BW. Oh btw, this is where the 'Afreeca BW streamers are shit' comes from. A place where players break their idolistic character for money. A place where criminals (yes, Savior is a criminal) can still make money from things that they helped destroy in first place. And for those who are saying it was minor mistake, you guys are just lucky that they held OSL and Proleague after the match fixing incident. From what I've heard, if they didn't develop such infracture before match fixing happened (KeSPA, 12 teams, Proleague, OSL/MSL, and other things behind the scenes), it would've been over in 2010. | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
On November 20 2013 03:58 Disregard wrote: Westerners don't understand the culture. Tend to forgive for such minor mistakes. Its hard for them to comprehend without saying its ridiculous and get over it. From what I heard, Korean culture is much more punishing in these cases than the western. Yet, China is inviting Savior to play so it would appear they don't care that much. If someone could explain this to me, the confused westerner, that'd be cool. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
iirc he also said something like "how much longer can we play 2d games? people have to move on" or some shit talking about how bw was going to die. Savior can play bw and stream it in my eyes if he wants to, but just way too consistently he keeps trying to suck everything he can from his remaining fans. It's the tone of the thing: yes, these guys are people who are young with no education and are trying to make a living, but there is a difference from trying to make a living to trying to extort everything you can while it lasts. | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25947 Posts
It's a shame he hasn't transitioned into other things and thus this is all avoided. Perhaps he loves the game still, perhaps it's simply his best income option at this time, but yeah it does leave a bad taste. For all the talk of the unforgiving Korean culture, is it not Koreans by and large who will donate to him on Afreeca? | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
On November 20 2013 04:23 Wombat_NI wrote: Hm, tis a tough one. It's a shame he hasn't transitioned into other things and thus this is all avoided. Perhaps he loves the game still, perhaps it's simply his best income option at this time, but yeah it does leave a bad taste. For all the talk of the unforgiving Korean culture, is it not Koreans by and large who will donate to him on Afreeca? The majority don't. Rather, they avoid him. | ||
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mainerd
United States347 Posts
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
On November 20 2013 03:48 traceurling wrote: People change. Savior definitely hurt the scene but everything can't be pinned on him. I'm of the opinion that he is a different person than he was a few years earlier. And how exactly did this opinion form? I assume you speak Korean and you watched a lot of his streams and are following the guy closely. You must have been following him closely before as well. Has he made a public apology or done anything else positive that you could point out here for the rest of us? I'm asking because all I ever hear about Savior is the bad stuff. Then there's a few defenders but they never come with anything concrete and good to say about the guy. Instead they just give random statements like "people change" "time to forgive" "good now" "stop hate". If you want the rest of us to believe he's changed and deserves another chance why don't you try a bit harder? If he's changed then that's something he would be working very hard on, right? Anything at all you could give us to back your opinion and support the guy? | ||
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dOTY
Germany483 Posts
On November 20 2013 04:12 GeckoXp wrote: thrilled to see the zerg playing again. tard User was warned for this post | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
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