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On November 07 2013 21:53 Nacl(Draq) wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 21:31 Zealos wrote:On November 07 2013 10:35 Mothra wrote:On November 07 2013 08:23 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On November 07 2013 06:48 ComaDose wrote:On November 07 2013 06:46 Mothra wrote:On November 07 2013 06:41 ComaDose wrote:
"Wearing provocative clothing ... just as valid to label contributing causes of rape"
seeee there is rape culture everywhere you just need to know how to spot it. Are you going to share the reason it is not valid, or is your reason just rape culture full stop? If you can explain in plain English I'll be happy to listen. Because wearing provocative clothing is not at all a contributing factor to rape and to suggest so shifts the blame from the rapist to the victim. almost as obvious of a case i can think of. i.e. telling women they can't dress a certain way or they risk getting raped is not okay. Wearing provocative clothing makes you look prettier. Looking prettier makes you more likely to get raped. Basic logic. The point of contention isn't whether or not provocative clothing makes you more likely to be raped, that isn't even slightly contestable, the point of contention here is how much should we blame women for getting raped for doing things that increase their likelihood of getting raped and how much should we let that affect our sympathy for the victim. Just to let my opinion be known on this one, I don't believe clothes choice should affect how we allocate blame. It doesn't make any particular sense to do that, it's mainly just vindictiveness, envy and this other emotion that is equally inane but I don't know the word for. What I had in mind was more that the prevalence of people objectifying themselves as sexual objects leads to increased animosity, frustration and lust, and decreased respect for others and self. Those lead to more rapes. Not so much that looking pretty on a particular night increases chances of being raped. I think we have to all have to take responsibility for it as a society instead of just blaming either victim or rapist and then washing our hands of it. Rape culture is a vague and meaningless phrase to me, whereas the violence and hypersexualization of society I can understand and believe perpetuates rape. I do believe that dressing in a sexually provocative manner is a part of the problem, but it doesn't mean I blame people for being raped or feel anyone deserves to be. LOL So, women can't wear "Provocative clothing" I suppose men get to define what that means right? We don't want them to be causing problems for potential rapists. Why can't women wear what they want? It's not like they're walking round naked. What counts as provocative clothing for men? Not to mention, if women went to nightclothes making sure not to be "Provocative" then they would probably be called cold and boring. EDIT: Sorry for multiposting btw. I'll try to keep it in one post in future. I don't really think the clothing matters too much. As long as a girl shows interest in a guy he'll probably go after her (not meaning rape her) unless there is a hotter girl there. Men aren't that picky. The idea that provocative clothing causes rape is silly. (I'm agreeing with you) Yes it increases desire for sex but lots of guys control themselves enough to not rape women. A woman should be allowed to wear nothing and not have fear of rape. Sadly in the real world baby's die, people get shot without anyone being found guilty, wars happen, and women get raped. I think there needs to be more effort put towards helping the victim get back to what life was before. It was a tragic event but they should be taught not to let it define them as it happens to be. I can't understand this idea that rape culture means rape is accepted. I can however see the culture where a woman/man who is raped is thought to be ruined by the event. Boyfriends break up with the woman who was raped, friends leave them behind because they don't want to think of the bad event. They might not be blaming the victim but to the victim it seems like everyone is blaming her/him for the event when all people really want is to just not think about bad things. People are selfish like this, they don't want a constant reminder there is evil/misfortune in the world (you see this in cases where marriages end in divorce when a baby is still-born or toddler dies by an accident.) It's like any traumatic event, if you can't move forward you break and stop functioning. Nothing works and everything seems hopeless. It might be best to put in money into traumatic stress treatments and counseling in order to help victims.
It's not as crystal clear as rape being accepted. This is a pretty good example of rape culture: http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/bf/27/54/bf2754f6673eb3a37639b736b2cda20f.jpg
If you actually want to know what it is/want to understand it, just drop me a pm, because I feel like I'm cluttering up the thread saying the same things over and over :')
EDIT: Here is an advert putting the blame of a "night of regret" on the women: http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/77/67/f1/7767f1945253588d462d43dcbd3bc167.jpg
This 2 min video also shows it, but in some more complicated ways: http://vimeo.com/21536363
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I find it ridiculous you're equating personal responsibility ads with rape culture. If such a thing was so prevalent you would think you could find actual examples.
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You know that it shouldn't be a women's responsibility not to get raped, right? 
The 2nd half of the poster is a women that has just been raped, with a caption that basically tells her she should have been more careful.
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On November 07 2013 23:31 Zealos wrote:You know that it shouldn't be a women's responsibility not to get raped, right? The 2nd half of the poster is a women that has just been raped, with a caption that basically tells her she should have been more careful.
It should be everyone's responsibility to take basic precautions to avoid becoming the victim of a crime. Any crime. That poster is telling women to drink responsibly and get home safely. It's the equivalent of saying "don't forget to lock your door when you leave home", and it is good advice.
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Who the fuck said anything about its anyone's responsibility to not be raped? You're the one saying that shit. If I tell someone hey don't go into that part of town its dangerous. I'm not saying its his responsibility to not be mugged I'm saying hey stupid if you go there you are increasing your chances of something bad happening. If you can't get that simple idea through your thick ass skull you have no business arguing anything in this thread. I mean you're so adamant that rape culture is so prevalent but here you are strawmanning and showing stupid ads from 30 years ago. Think about that for a moment genius.
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On November 07 2013 23:31 Zealos wrote:You know that it shouldn't be a women's responsibility not to get raped, right? The 2nd half of the poster is a women that has just been raped, with a caption that basically tells her she should have been more careful.
The only issue I have with the vimeo is they targeted comedians who say things for laughs and not serious discussion. That said their choices are open for discussion. Also snookie or however it is spelled was being sexual not being raped. Not all of the other images were of women being raped they were of women enjoying rough sex. Is it wrong for a woman to enjoy rough sex? If anything popular culture in the past couple years (Fifty Shades of Grey) shows that there are quite a few women who fantasize about rough sex.
Now the videos that have rape in them were older generation back when it was a huge issue, rape has dropped roughly 60% since 1993.
A more current movie to talk about would be the girl with the dragon tattoo that has a rape scene in it if i remember correctly.
Here are some statistics from the US Government concerning rape mostly in the US. http://www.statisticbrain.com/rape-statistics/
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On November 07 2013 13:38 Mothra wrote:
I don't understand getting so hung up on blame. Rape is a violent crime, and it should be punished as such. Does blaming harder help to stop rape? I was not making an empirical assertion but a logical argument. I'm having a hard time following yours. Many men control themselves, many men enjoy looking at scantily clad women... therefore?
Your assertion is that scantily clad women increase the amount of rape. You call this a logical argument but you use no logic. My argument was that it does not; I provided arguments to support it. is that clear enough for you? now its your turn to tell me why dressing in revealing clothing increases rape.
The 2 sentences you repeated at the end of your posts were trying to encourage you to recommend a solution. are you suggesting longer club dresses for women? Don't you have any qualms with telling women how they should dress to protect them from men? are you still so tunnel visioned on the small percentage of rape that happens to strangers that you think this argument matters on the scale of rapes every year?
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On November 07 2013 23:59 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 13:38 Mothra wrote:
I don't understand getting so hung up on blame. Rape is a violent crime, and it should be punished as such. Does blaming harder help to stop rape? I was not making an empirical assertion but a logical argument. I'm having a hard time following yours. Many men control themselves, many men enjoy looking at scantily clad women... therefore? Your assertion is that scantily clad women increase the amount of rape. You call this a logical argument but you use no logic. My argument was that it does not; I provided arguments to support it. is that clear enough for you? now its your turn to tell me why dressing in revealing clothing increases rape. The 2 sentences you repeated at the end of your posts were trying to encourage you to recommend a solution. are you suggesting longer club dresses for women? Don't you have any qualms with telling women how they should dress to protect them from men? are you still so tunnel visioned on the small percentage of rape that happens to strangers that you think this argument matters on the scale of rapes every year?
The occurrence of rape has been dropping in the US while the amount of skin shown by women has increased. If correlation equaling causation has taught me anything this means that the more skin a woman shows the less likely it is for her to be raped.
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On November 08 2013 00:01 Nacl(Draq) wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 23:59 ComaDose wrote:On November 07 2013 13:38 Mothra wrote:
I don't understand getting so hung up on blame. Rape is a violent crime, and it should be punished as such. Does blaming harder help to stop rape? I was not making an empirical assertion but a logical argument. I'm having a hard time following yours. Many men control themselves, many men enjoy looking at scantily clad women... therefore? Your assertion is that scantily clad women increase the amount of rape. You call this a logical argument but you use no logic. My argument was that it does not; I provided arguments to support it. is that clear enough for you? now its your turn to tell me why dressing in revealing clothing increases rape. The 2 sentences you repeated at the end of your posts were trying to encourage you to recommend a solution. are you suggesting longer club dresses for women? Don't you have any qualms with telling women how they should dress to protect them from men? are you still so tunnel visioned on the small percentage of rape that happens to strangers that you think this argument matters on the scale of rapes every year? The occurrence of rape has been dropping in the US while the amount of skin shown by women has increased. If correlation equaling causation has taught me anything this means that the more skin a woman shows the less likely it is for her to be raped.
I would argue that the decrease in rape has more to do with increased availability of porn than it does with amount of skin shown in public.
I would also argue that even if more visible skin did lower the overall prevalence of rape, it would still increase the risk that a potential rapist picks you.
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On November 07 2013 23:41 heliusx wrote:
Who the fuck said anything about its anyone's responsibility to not be raped? You're the one saying that shit. If I tell someone hey don't go into that part of town its dangerous. I'm not saying its his responsibility to not be mugged I'm saying hey stupid if you go there you are increasing your chances of something bad happening. If you can't get that simple idea through your thick ass skull you have no business arguing anything in this thread. I mean you're so adamant that rape culture is so prevalent but here you are strawmanning and showing stupid ads from 30 years ago. Think about that for a moment genius.
Let me ask you this: When this theoretical person gets mugged, or stabbed, and s/he goes to the police, do they immediately doubt her? http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/rape-victims-virginia-assumed-be-lying
If DNA tests are needed to verify who the attacker is, will the police not even bother having the DNA tested after it is taken? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/21/opinion/untested-rape-kits-delay-justice.html?_r=0
And then in the court, will they then, as a defense, ask questions of why the person was taking the risk, when it is clearly a bad idea? (Why were you wearing this underwear http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-129105/Rape-girl-driven-suicide-ordeal-court.html )
(Why did you get that drunk? http://socialistworker.org/blog/critical-reading/2013/03/16/rape-crime-drinking-alcohol-is )
Also, please try to retain some level of self control when debating over the internet, you just make yourself look childish.
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On November 08 2013 00:01 Nacl(Draq) wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 23:59 ComaDose wrote:On November 07 2013 13:38 Mothra wrote:
I don't understand getting so hung up on blame. Rape is a violent crime, and it should be punished as such. Does blaming harder help to stop rape? I was not making an empirical assertion but a logical argument. I'm having a hard time following yours. Many men control themselves, many men enjoy looking at scantily clad women... therefore? Your assertion is that scantily clad women increase the amount of rape. You call this a logical argument but you use no logic. My argument was that it does not; I provided arguments to support it. is that clear enough for you? now its your turn to tell me why dressing in revealing clothing increases rape. The 2 sentences you repeated at the end of your posts were trying to encourage you to recommend a solution. are you suggesting longer club dresses for women? Don't you have any qualms with telling women how they should dress to protect them from men? are you still so tunnel visioned on the small percentage of rape that happens to strangers that you think this argument matters on the scale of rapes every year? The occurrence of rape has been dropping in the US while the amount of skin shown by women has increased. If correlation equaling causation has taught me anything this means that the more skin a woman shows the less likely it is for her to be raped.
haha and cancer causes cell phones!
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On November 08 2013 00:11 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 23:41 heliusx wrote:
Who the fuck said anything about its anyone's responsibility to not be raped? You're the one saying that shit. If I tell someone hey don't go into that part of town its dangerous. I'm not saying its his responsibility to not be mugged I'm saying hey stupid if you go there you are increasing your chances of something bad happening. If you can't get that simple idea through your thick ass skull you have no business arguing anything in this thread. I mean you're so adamant that rape culture is so prevalent but here you are strawmanning and showing stupid ads from 30 years ago. Think about that for a moment genius. Let me ask you this: When this theoretical person gets mugged, or stabbed, and s/he goes to the police, do they immediately doubt her? http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/rape-victims-virginia-assumed-be-lyingIf DNA tests are needed to verify who the attacker is, will the police not even bother having the DNA tested after it is taken? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/21/opinion/untested-rape-kits-delay-justice.html?_r=0And then in the court, will they then, as a defense, ask questions of why the person was taking the risk, when it is clearly a bad idea? (Why were you wearing this underwear http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-129105/Rape-girl-driven-suicide-ordeal-court.html ) (Why did you get that drunk? http://socialistworker.org/blog/critical-reading/2013/03/16/rape-crime-drinking-alcohol-is ) Also, please try to retain some level of self control when debating over the internet, you just make yourself look childish.
Actually yes. Police are notorious for not doing anything when someone gets mugged at least in Dallas. Happens often in Denver too. Those are the two big cities I've lived next to and have had friends get mugged in. The most you'll get is a report, they'll ask for a description; if the mugger wasn't wearing a mask they'll keep the description and then just do nothing but increase the patrol in the area for a few days. As long as you weren't stabbed or shot they won't get too serious about it.
You might as well call it crime culture because lets face it, criminals that wear gloves and have masks and target people walking alone at night aren't gonna get caught if they have any intelligence.
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On November 08 2013 00:21 Nacl(Draq) wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 00:11 Zealos wrote:On November 07 2013 23:41 heliusx wrote:
Who the fuck said anything about its anyone's responsibility to not be raped? You're the one saying that shit. If I tell someone hey don't go into that part of town its dangerous. I'm not saying its his responsibility to not be mugged I'm saying hey stupid if you go there you are increasing your chances of something bad happening. If you can't get that simple idea through your thick ass skull you have no business arguing anything in this thread. I mean you're so adamant that rape culture is so prevalent but here you are strawmanning and showing stupid ads from 30 years ago. Think about that for a moment genius. Let me ask you this: When this theoretical person gets mugged, or stabbed, and s/he goes to the police, do they immediately doubt her? http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/rape-victims-virginia-assumed-be-lyingIf DNA tests are needed to verify who the attacker is, will the police not even bother having the DNA tested after it is taken? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/21/opinion/untested-rape-kits-delay-justice.html?_r=0And then in the court, will they then, as a defense, ask questions of why the person was taking the risk, when it is clearly a bad idea? (Why were you wearing this underwear http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-129105/Rape-girl-driven-suicide-ordeal-court.html ) (Why did you get that drunk? http://socialistworker.org/blog/critical-reading/2013/03/16/rape-crime-drinking-alcohol-is ) Also, please try to retain some level of self control when debating over the internet, you just make yourself look childish. Actually yes. Police are notorious for not doing anything when someone gets mugged at least in Dallas. Happens often in Denver too. Those are the two big cities I've lived next to and have had friends get mugged in. The most you'll get is a report, they'll ask for a description; if the mugger wasn't wearing a mask they'll keep the description and then just do nothing but increase the patrol in the area for a few days. As long as you weren't stabbed or shot they won't get too serious about it. You might as well call it crime culture because lets face it, criminals that wear gloves and have masks and target people walking alone at night aren't gonna get caught if they have any intelligence.
First off, I have no idea what the rates of the police not acting are like comparatively between muggings and rape. Could you cite some sources or something that I can read?
On top of this, you've only responded to one part of the post that I made.
Not to mention, there is not a great deal more that they can do against a mugger. This is not the same as them doubting what you are saying, or assuming your reports to be false.
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On November 08 2013 00:27 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 00:21 Nacl(Draq) wrote:On November 08 2013 00:11 Zealos wrote:On November 07 2013 23:41 heliusx wrote:
Who the fuck said anything about its anyone's responsibility to not be raped? You're the one saying that shit. If I tell someone hey don't go into that part of town its dangerous. I'm not saying its his responsibility to not be mugged I'm saying hey stupid if you go there you are increasing your chances of something bad happening. If you can't get that simple idea through your thick ass skull you have no business arguing anything in this thread. I mean you're so adamant that rape culture is so prevalent but here you are strawmanning and showing stupid ads from 30 years ago. Think about that for a moment genius. Let me ask you this: When this theoretical person gets mugged, or stabbed, and s/he goes to the police, do they immediately doubt her? http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/rape-victims-virginia-assumed-be-lyingIf DNA tests are needed to verify who the attacker is, will the police not even bother having the DNA tested after it is taken? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/21/opinion/untested-rape-kits-delay-justice.html?_r=0And then in the court, will they then, as a defense, ask questions of why the person was taking the risk, when it is clearly a bad idea? (Why were you wearing this underwear http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-129105/Rape-girl-driven-suicide-ordeal-court.html ) (Why did you get that drunk? http://socialistworker.org/blog/critical-reading/2013/03/16/rape-crime-drinking-alcohol-is ) Also, please try to retain some level of self control when debating over the internet, you just make yourself look childish. Actually yes. Police are notorious for not doing anything when someone gets mugged at least in Dallas. Happens often in Denver too. Those are the two big cities I've lived next to and have had friends get mugged in. The most you'll get is a report, they'll ask for a description; if the mugger wasn't wearing a mask they'll keep the description and then just do nothing but increase the patrol in the area for a few days. As long as you weren't stabbed or shot they won't get too serious about it. You might as well call it crime culture because lets face it, criminals that wear gloves and have masks and target people walking alone at night aren't gonna get caught if they have any intelligence. First off, I have no idea what the rates of the police not acting are like comparatively between muggings and rape. Could you cite some sources or something that I can read? On top of this, you've only responded to one part of the post that I made. Not to mention, there is not a great deal more that they can do against a mugger. This is not the same as them doubting what you are saying, or assuming your reports to be false.
You just mentioned mugging... How you can compare them then say they can't be compared...
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On November 08 2013 00:28 Nacl(Draq) wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 00:27 Zealos wrote:On November 08 2013 00:21 Nacl(Draq) wrote:On November 08 2013 00:11 Zealos wrote:On November 07 2013 23:41 heliusx wrote:
Who the fuck said anything about its anyone's responsibility to not be raped? You're the one saying that shit. If I tell someone hey don't go into that part of town its dangerous. I'm not saying its his responsibility to not be mugged I'm saying hey stupid if you go there you are increasing your chances of something bad happening. If you can't get that simple idea through your thick ass skull you have no business arguing anything in this thread. I mean you're so adamant that rape culture is so prevalent but here you are strawmanning and showing stupid ads from 30 years ago. Think about that for a moment genius. Let me ask you this: When this theoretical person gets mugged, or stabbed, and s/he goes to the police, do they immediately doubt her? http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/rape-victims-virginia-assumed-be-lyingIf DNA tests are needed to verify who the attacker is, will the police not even bother having the DNA tested after it is taken? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/21/opinion/untested-rape-kits-delay-justice.html?_r=0And then in the court, will they then, as a defense, ask questions of why the person was taking the risk, when it is clearly a bad idea? (Why were you wearing this underwear http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-129105/Rape-girl-driven-suicide-ordeal-court.html ) (Why did you get that drunk? http://socialistworker.org/blog/critical-reading/2013/03/16/rape-crime-drinking-alcohol-is ) Also, please try to retain some level of self control when debating over the internet, you just make yourself look childish. Actually yes. Police are notorious for not doing anything when someone gets mugged at least in Dallas. Happens often in Denver too. Those are the two big cities I've lived next to and have had friends get mugged in. The most you'll get is a report, they'll ask for a description; if the mugger wasn't wearing a mask they'll keep the description and then just do nothing but increase the patrol in the area for a few days. As long as you weren't stabbed or shot they won't get too serious about it. You might as well call it crime culture because lets face it, criminals that wear gloves and have masks and target people walking alone at night aren't gonna get caught if they have any intelligence. First off, I have no idea what the rates of the police not acting are like comparatively between muggings and rape. Could you cite some sources or something that I can read? On top of this, you've only responded to one part of the post that I made. Not to mention, there is not a great deal more that they can do against a mugger. This is not the same as them doubting what you are saying, or assuming your reports to be false. You just mentioned mugging... How you can compare them then say they can't be compared...
What do you mean?
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Oh so random stories about police departments failing to do their jobs means rape culture? Its not just rape. Its robberies, assaults, etc. Unless you have some actual evidence of rape culture you're wasting your time googling random articles to "support" your argument.
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On November 08 2013 00:30 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 00:28 Nacl(Draq) wrote:On November 08 2013 00:27 Zealos wrote:On November 08 2013 00:21 Nacl(Draq) wrote:On November 08 2013 00:11 Zealos wrote:On November 07 2013 23:41 heliusx wrote:
Who the fuck said anything about its anyone's responsibility to not be raped? You're the one saying that shit. If I tell someone hey don't go into that part of town its dangerous. I'm not saying its his responsibility to not be mugged I'm saying hey stupid if you go there you are increasing your chances of something bad happening. If you can't get that simple idea through your thick ass skull you have no business arguing anything in this thread. I mean you're so adamant that rape culture is so prevalent but here you are strawmanning and showing stupid ads from 30 years ago. Think about that for a moment genius. Let me ask you this: When this theoretical person gets mugged, or stabbed, and s/he goes to the police, do they immediately doubt her? http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/rape-victims-virginia-assumed-be-lyingIf DNA tests are needed to verify who the attacker is, will the police not even bother having the DNA tested after it is taken? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/21/opinion/untested-rape-kits-delay-justice.html?_r=0And then in the court, will they then, as a defense, ask questions of why the person was taking the risk, when it is clearly a bad idea? (Why were you wearing this underwear http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-129105/Rape-girl-driven-suicide-ordeal-court.html ) (Why did you get that drunk? http://socialistworker.org/blog/critical-reading/2013/03/16/rape-crime-drinking-alcohol-is ) Also, please try to retain some level of self control when debating over the internet, you just make yourself look childish. Actually yes. Police are notorious for not doing anything when someone gets mugged at least in Dallas. Happens often in Denver too. Those are the two big cities I've lived next to and have had friends get mugged in. The most you'll get is a report, they'll ask for a description; if the mugger wasn't wearing a mask they'll keep the description and then just do nothing but increase the patrol in the area for a few days. As long as you weren't stabbed or shot they won't get too serious about it. You might as well call it crime culture because lets face it, criminals that wear gloves and have masks and target people walking alone at night aren't gonna get caught if they have any intelligence. First off, I have no idea what the rates of the police not acting are like comparatively between muggings and rape. Could you cite some sources or something that I can read? On top of this, you've only responded to one part of the post that I made. Not to mention, there is not a great deal more that they can do against a mugger. This is not the same as them doubting what you are saying, or assuming your reports to be false. You just mentioned mugging... How you can compare them then say they can't be compared... What do you mean?
You said "Let me ask you this: When this theoretical person gets mugged, or stabbed, and s/he goes to the police, do they immediately doubt her? http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/rape-victims-virginia-assumed-be-lying"
MUGGED. Right there. You put "mugged" in a sentence as if you were comparing things. Then you say you can't compare things to "mugged" the thing you compared things too.
Quite often a police officer will treat a fire as a self inflicted crime done to get insurance money.
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On November 08 2013 00:38 Nacl(Draq) wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 00:30 Zealos wrote:On November 08 2013 00:28 Nacl(Draq) wrote:On November 08 2013 00:27 Zealos wrote:On November 08 2013 00:21 Nacl(Draq) wrote:On November 08 2013 00:11 Zealos wrote:On November 07 2013 23:41 heliusx wrote:
Who the fuck said anything about its anyone's responsibility to not be raped? You're the one saying that shit. If I tell someone hey don't go into that part of town its dangerous. I'm not saying its his responsibility to not be mugged I'm saying hey stupid if you go there you are increasing your chances of something bad happening. If you can't get that simple idea through your thick ass skull you have no business arguing anything in this thread. I mean you're so adamant that rape culture is so prevalent but here you are strawmanning and showing stupid ads from 30 years ago. Think about that for a moment genius. Let me ask you this: When this theoretical person gets mugged, or stabbed, and s/he goes to the police, do they immediately doubt her? http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/rape-victims-virginia-assumed-be-lyingIf DNA tests are needed to verify who the attacker is, will the police not even bother having the DNA tested after it is taken? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/21/opinion/untested-rape-kits-delay-justice.html?_r=0And then in the court, will they then, as a defense, ask questions of why the person was taking the risk, when it is clearly a bad idea? (Why were you wearing this underwear http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-129105/Rape-girl-driven-suicide-ordeal-court.html ) (Why did you get that drunk? http://socialistworker.org/blog/critical-reading/2013/03/16/rape-crime-drinking-alcohol-is ) Also, please try to retain some level of self control when debating over the internet, you just make yourself look childish. Actually yes. Police are notorious for not doing anything when someone gets mugged at least in Dallas. Happens often in Denver too. Those are the two big cities I've lived next to and have had friends get mugged in. The most you'll get is a report, they'll ask for a description; if the mugger wasn't wearing a mask they'll keep the description and then just do nothing but increase the patrol in the area for a few days. As long as you weren't stabbed or shot they won't get too serious about it. You might as well call it crime culture because lets face it, criminals that wear gloves and have masks and target people walking alone at night aren't gonna get caught if they have any intelligence. First off, I have no idea what the rates of the police not acting are like comparatively between muggings and rape. Could you cite some sources or something that I can read? On top of this, you've only responded to one part of the post that I made. Not to mention, there is not a great deal more that they can do against a mugger. This is not the same as them doubting what you are saying, or assuming your reports to be false. You just mentioned mugging... How you can compare them then say they can't be compared... What do you mean? You said "Let me ask you this: When this theoretical person gets mugged, or stabbed, and s/he goes to the police, do they immediately doubt her? http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/rape-victims-virginia-assumed-be-lying" MUGGED. Right there. You put "mugged" in a sentence as if you were comparing things. Then you say you can't compare things to "mugged" the thing you compared things too. Quite often a police officer will treat a fire as a self inflicted crime done to get insurance money.
Yes. I did. I was wondering where I said they can't be compared?
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