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On November 08 2013 02:12 gedatsu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 01:53 Zealos wrote:
How is not joking and talking about it as if it is nothing not normalizing it? Disregarding rape in prison settings, very few people do that. Usually they are the rapist, an accessory to the rape, or a close relative or friend to the rapist. These are, on the large scale of things, only a handful of people. By far the majority of people strongly condemn rape. Convicted rapists often require special protection in prison, because the other inmates will consider them the scum of the earth. Or perhaps you are talking about jokes made about people you've never met and never will meet. I myself have told jokes about the Fritzl case, for example, because there's a clever pun about it that can be made in Swedish. "Har du släckt i källaren" means "did you turn off the lights in the basement", while "har du släkt i källaren" means "do you have family (members) in the basement". That doesn't mean I don't think it was a horrible crime. It's no different than making jokes about Hitler or slavery or Mao. Anyway. The point is that you can joke about anything, without supporting the crime or disaster behind it. Very few people would laugh in the face of the victim.
Most people also don't realize that they have performed acts of rape already since to them it isn't rape if they don't hit the other person or if the person doesn't black out.
Such as picking up drunk girls
Getting your girlfriend to have sex even if she's not in the mood
etc...
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Well anything that helps I guess. If some women want that stuff and feel safer this way, so be it. But it's sad something like this has to be produced.
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On November 08 2013 02:44 Musicus wrote:
Well anything that helps I guess. If some women want that stuff and feel safer this way, so be it. But it's sad something like this has to be produced.
The theory is that they hope it gives them more time in order to increase the chances of help coming. If it takes longer for the rape to happen, then maybe someone will pass by and help. No different than a locked door doesn't actually stop break ins, it just slows them down longer.
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On November 08 2013 02:50 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 02:44 Musicus wrote:
Well anything that helps I guess. If some women want that stuff and feel safer this way, so be it. But it's sad something like this has to be produced. The theory is that they hope it gives them more time in order to increase the chances of help coming. If it takes longer for the rape to happen, then maybe someone will pass by and help. No different than a locked door doesn't actually stop break ins, it just slows them down longer.
Yeah definitely not a bad thing. Still it arouses mixed feelings. You can't really hope it is successful, since that would mean many women feel insecure and the product is needed. Well better safe than sorry.
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On November 08 2013 03:06 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 02:50 Thieving Magpie wrote:On November 08 2013 02:44 Musicus wrote:
Well anything that helps I guess. If some women want that stuff and feel safer this way, so be it. But it's sad something like this has to be produced. The theory is that they hope it gives them more time in order to increase the chances of help coming. If it takes longer for the rape to happen, then maybe someone will pass by and help. No different than a locked door doesn't actually stop break ins, it just slows them down longer. Yeah definitely not a bad thing. Still it arouses mixed feelings. You can't really hope it is successful, since that would mean many women feel insecure and the product is needed. Well better safe than sorry.
When women keep getting blamed for rape because they wear clothing the like, its natural that a product like this will come about because of the constant blame being directed at women for rape.
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On November 08 2013 02:16 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Getting your girlfriend to have sex even if she's not in the mood
etc...
How is that an act of rape? Is your girlfriend some kind of pathetic subhuman pet incapable of deciding for herself whether she wants to fuck?
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On November 08 2013 03:32 Severedevil wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 02:16 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Getting your girlfriend to have sex even if she's not in the mood
etc... How is that an act of rape? Is your girlfriend some kind of pathetic subhuman pet incapable of deciding for herself whether she wants to fuck?
how is that not rape?
you'd be surprised how many people think they're entitled to sex because they're in a relationship with someone
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On November 08 2013 03:34 mizU wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 03:32 Severedevil wrote:On November 08 2013 02:16 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Getting your girlfriend to have sex even if she's not in the mood
etc... How is that an act of rape? Is your girlfriend some kind of pathetic subhuman pet incapable of deciding for herself whether she wants to fuck? how is that not rape?
Because both parties consent.
If friends tell me they reaaallly want me to go hang out with them, and I don't want to but I go anyway, that's not a kidnapping. It's my choice.
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On November 08 2013 03:32 Severedevil wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 02:16 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Getting your girlfriend to have sex even if she's not in the mood
etc... How is that an act of rape? Is your girlfriend some kind of pathetic subhuman pet incapable of deciding for herself whether she wants to fuck?
Does she want to have sex? No. Did you have sex with her anyway? Yes. That's rape, by definition.
Sure, you didn't have to hit her.
Sure, she's not violently injured.
But coercing her into having sex with you is rape.
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On November 08 2013 03:40 Severedevil wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 03:34 mizU wrote:On November 08 2013 03:32 Severedevil wrote:On November 08 2013 02:16 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Getting your girlfriend to have sex even if she's not in the mood
etc... How is that an act of rape? Is your girlfriend some kind of pathetic subhuman pet incapable of deciding for herself whether she wants to fuck? how is that not rape? Because both parties consent. If friends tell me they reaaallly want me to go hang out with them, and I don't want to but I go anyway, that's not a kidnapping. It's my choice.
Because that's called abduction, not kidnapping. Just because they put you back from where they took you doesn't make it stop being abduction.
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The dude called a woman who gives in to the sexual demands of her partner a "pathetic subhuman pet", I wouldn't expect much to move him.
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On November 08 2013 03:40 Severedevil wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 03:34 mizU wrote:On November 08 2013 03:32 Severedevil wrote:On November 08 2013 02:16 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Getting your girlfriend to have sex even if she's not in the mood
etc... How is that an act of rape? Is your girlfriend some kind of pathetic subhuman pet incapable of deciding for herself whether she wants to fuck? how is that not rape? Because both parties consent. If friends tell me they reaaallly want me to go hang out with them, and I don't want to but I go anyway, that's not a kidnapping. It's my choice.
Do you enjoy yourself when you are forced out with them? Do you ever regret it? Wish you hadn't gone? Been in a bad mood after and during? It isn't kidnapping but it is making you do something against your will.
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Isn't this video a satire? I saw this video on reddit about a week ago and all I could think is the video wasn't actually selling the pants (if they were it would be like placebo because the video mentions that the clothing strengthens women etc.), but rather trying to convey a message. But I looked at the reddit thread and everyone was discussing the product as an actual possibility for rape prevention much like the thread here and I saw no top comment debating the video as social commentary or the pants as being a placebo.
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On November 08 2013 03:41 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 03:32 Severedevil wrote:On November 08 2013 02:16 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Getting your girlfriend to have sex even if she's not in the mood
etc... How is that an act of rape? Is your girlfriend some kind of pathetic subhuman pet incapable of deciding for herself whether she wants to fuck? Does she want to have sex? No. Did you have sex with her anyway? Yes. That's rape, by definition. Sure, you didn't have to hit her. Sure, she's not violently injured. But coercing her into having sex with you is rape.
You're injecting coercion into the example when there wasn't any to begin with. The way you first wrote it,
Getting your girlfriend to have sex even if she's not in the mood
there's no a priori reason to suspect something nefarious. For instance, convincing someone to go to bed with you would just be seduction or romance.
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On November 08 2013 03:48 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 03:41 Thieving Magpie wrote:On November 08 2013 03:32 Severedevil wrote:On November 08 2013 02:16 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Getting your girlfriend to have sex even if she's not in the mood
etc... How is that an act of rape? Is your girlfriend some kind of pathetic subhuman pet incapable of deciding for herself whether she wants to fuck? Does she want to have sex? No. Did you have sex with her anyway? Yes. That's rape, by definition. Sure, you didn't have to hit her. Sure, she's not violently injured. But coercing her into having sex with you is rape. You're injecting coercion into the example when there wasn't any to begin with. The way you first wrote it, there's no a priori reason to suspect something nefarious. For instance, convincing someone to go to bed with you would just be seduction or romance.
Getting people to do what they don't want to is coercion, by definition.
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On November 08 2013 03:51 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 03:48 oBlade wrote:On November 08 2013 03:41 Thieving Magpie wrote:On November 08 2013 03:32 Severedevil wrote:On November 08 2013 02:16 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Getting your girlfriend to have sex even if she's not in the mood
etc... How is that an act of rape? Is your girlfriend some kind of pathetic subhuman pet incapable of deciding for herself whether she wants to fuck? Does she want to have sex? No. Did you have sex with her anyway? Yes. That's rape, by definition. Sure, you didn't have to hit her. Sure, she's not violently injured. But coercing her into having sex with you is rape. You're injecting coercion into the example when there wasn't any to begin with. The way you first wrote it, Getting your girlfriend to have sex even if she's not in the mood there's no a priori reason to suspect something nefarious. For instance, convincing someone to go to bed with you would just be seduction or romance. Getting people to do what they don't want to is coercion, by definition.
co·er·cion
kōˈərZHən,-SHən/
noun
noun: coercion; plural noun: coercions
1.
the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.
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On November 08 2013 03:52 Severedevil wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 03:51 Thieving Magpie wrote:On November 08 2013 03:48 oBlade wrote:On November 08 2013 03:41 Thieving Magpie wrote:On November 08 2013 03:32 Severedevil wrote:On November 08 2013 02:16 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Getting your girlfriend to have sex even if she's not in the mood
etc... How is that an act of rape? Is your girlfriend some kind of pathetic subhuman pet incapable of deciding for herself whether she wants to fuck? Does she want to have sex? No. Did you have sex with her anyway? Yes. That's rape, by definition. Sure, you didn't have to hit her. Sure, she's not violently injured. But coercing her into having sex with you is rape. You're injecting coercion into the example when there wasn't any to begin with. The way you first wrote it, Getting your girlfriend to have sex even if she's not in the mood there's no a priori reason to suspect something nefarious. For instance, convincing someone to go to bed with you would just be seduction or romance. Getting people to do what they don't want to is coercion, by definition. co·er·cion kōˈərZHən,-SHən/ noun noun: coercion; plural noun: coercions 1. the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.
Are you saying words can't be threatening?
Are you saying that making you unhappy can't be threatening?
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On November 08 2013 03:54 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 03:52 Severedevil wrote:On November 08 2013 03:51 Thieving Magpie wrote:On November 08 2013 03:48 oBlade wrote:On November 08 2013 03:41 Thieving Magpie wrote:On November 08 2013 03:32 Severedevil wrote:On November 08 2013 02:16 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Getting your girlfriend to have sex even if she's not in the mood
etc... How is that an act of rape? Is your girlfriend some kind of pathetic subhuman pet incapable of deciding for herself whether she wants to fuck? Does she want to have sex? No. Did you have sex with her anyway? Yes. That's rape, by definition. Sure, you didn't have to hit her. Sure, she's not violently injured. But coercing her into having sex with you is rape. You're injecting coercion into the example when there wasn't any to begin with. The way you first wrote it, Getting your girlfriend to have sex even if she's not in the mood there's no a priori reason to suspect something nefarious. For instance, convincing someone to go to bed with you would just be seduction or romance. Getting people to do what they don't want to is coercion, by definition. co·er·cion kōˈərZHən,-SHən/ noun noun: coercion; plural noun: coercions 1. the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats. Are you saying words can't be threatening? Are you saying that making you unhappy can't be threatening?
By this logic, asking any person to do anything constitutes coercion, because any request carries with it the implication that you want them to do that thing, and therefore if they do not do that thing, you will be less happy.
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Do these come in guy sizes or styles? gotta protect mah booty in the dangerous streets of seattle!
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