What do you guys think about this. I went to WCS Finals today and I was fairly disappointed. They charge everyone the same price for tickets (for general entry) but they they don't give any numbered seats so anyone can sit anywhere and if you leave to get an autograph someone will take your seat. To make matters worse they grossly oversold tickets, there were at least 30-50 people standing around or trying to find seats or just standing and watching on one of the big screens at the back. This kinda made me mad because they are charging for you for seats but don't have enough to give everyone.
To make matters worse there were a LOT (at least in the first couple hours of the event) of free seats listed as "premium" seats that no one was using but they didn't allocate to people that were standing around.
IMO I think in the future they should sell tickets for the number of seats they have available and charge a cheaper ticket for people who want to stand or sit on the floor at the back and watch on the big screen, first come first serve and allocate the "premium" seats to some general ticket holders (after a certain time period) that are the closest and move people up and allow others to get seats.
I think this is a pretty upsetting thing and I can understand where you are coming from, but obviously the people love starcraft enough to stand, try to stay strong , they'll work that out soon im sure
But I don't think the staff expected this sort of thing to happen, which is why they were unprepared. They could have definitely dealt with this better though.
I think that's pretty common practice; also I'm very happy that SC2 events get so much attention and there's not enough place for the willing spectators who showed up at the venue.
On October 28 2013 11:49 KanoCoke wrote: But I don't think the staff expected this sort of thing to happen, which is why they were unprepared.
Actually they *should* have expected it because the exact same thing happened last year at NASL Finals. On the second day people brought their own chairs and there were a lot of folks sitting on the floor.
This has happened at every tournament I can think of. I drove from chicago to MLG Providence finals in 2011 and didnt get a seat till the last day and watch naniwa get crushed.
On October 28 2013 11:54 nGBeast wrote: This has happened at every tournament I can think of. I drove from chicago to MLG Providence finals in 2011 and didnt get a seat till the last day and watch naniwa get crushed.
it's not a big deal lets not make this drama
How is this not a "big deal"? You are paying $15 for 1 day of the event for seats but they don't have enough for everyone.
No they aren't selling you the seating, the problem isn't that they aren't selling you a specific seat, more rather, they are overselling tickets to the point where there aren't enough seats for everyone. I don't care if I got crappy seats at the back if I came late. It's the just stupid that I have to pay the same as everyone else (that is paying for "general seating" ticket) while standings around or sitting on the floor.
On October 28 2013 11:58 Debian wrote: No they aren't selling you the seating, the problem isn't that they aren't selling you a specific seat, more rather, they are overselling tickets to the point where there aren't enough seats for everyone. I don't care if I got crappy seats at the back if I came late. It's the just stupid that I have to pay the same as everyone else (that is paying for "general seating" ticket) while standings around or sitting on the floor.
Does the ticket specify that it was for a seat, or was for entry into the venue?
It's common for events to have General Seating. There's no way they gonna assign seats to everyone. If you want assigned seats, you gonna have to pay up for VIP or Premium.
Well they could rent a basketball court (like they did in the LoL finals) and the problem would be solved. There are plenty of colleges/high schools with more than enough seating...
Well I bought a premium ticket and went home to watch it because I don't like a pillar blocking the main screen. I couldn't see shit in 4 diff spots. Premium tickets are being sold premium seats, but 3/5 aren't so premium. That's probably why nobody was using them mentioned in the first one. Also plenty of ppl with standard tickets that took premium seats. If you had no seat and told one of the workers there, he would just walk up to the edge seats and say show me your tickets and remove a few of them, but that was only on the sides where it is easier to pass. When I get neck pain I get a headache too, so I just had to leave. Personally I had no fun, of course you can see many people did.
On October 28 2013 11:54 nGBeast wrote: This has happened at every tournament I can think of. I drove from chicago to MLG Providence finals in 2011 and didnt get a seat till the last day and watch naniwa get crushed.
it's not a big deal lets not make this drama
How is this not a "big deal"? You are paying $15 for 1 day of the event for seats but they don't have enough for everyone.
Because you're not paying for a seat, its entrance into a venue.
On October 28 2013 12:04 ninjamyst wrote: It's common for events to have General Seating. There's no way they gonna assign seats to everyone. If you want assigned seats, you gonna have to pay up for VIP or Premium.
Like I said I don't think General seating is an issue. I just think they should figure out before hand how many chairs are available and sell enough tickets to fill those seats. You can sit anywhere in those seats, first come first serve. Once all the chairs are sold they should sell tickets for cheaper that you can stand or sit on the floor and watch on the big screen. If people don't show up after some time then they should reallocate the seats to someone else.
On October 28 2013 11:42 Debian wrote: What do you guys think about this. I went to WCS Finals today and I was fairly disappointed. They charge everyone the same price for tickets (for general entry) but they they don't give any numbered seats so anyone can sit anywhere and if you leave to get an autograph someone will take your seat. To make matters worse they grossly oversold tickets, there were at least 30-50 people standing around or trying to find seats or just standing and watching on one of the big screens at the back. This kinda made me mad because they are charging for you for seats but don't have enough to give everyone.
To make matters worse there were a LOT (at least in the first couple hours of the event) of free seats listed as "premium" seats that no one was using but they didn't allocate to people that were standing around.
IMO I think in the future they should sell tickets for the number of seats they have available and charge a cheaper ticket for people who want to stand or sit on the floor at the back and watch on the big screen, first come first serve and allocate the "premium" seats to some general ticket holders (after a certain time period) that are the closest and move people up and allow others to get seats.
What do you guys think?
I knew this would happen. I think it was to be expected from the turnouts on Friday and Saturday. Thank you for supporting the scene though. I recommend people bring their own chairs from home. Sometimes they don't allow them but many people did today.
On October 28 2013 11:54 nGBeast wrote: This has happened at every tournament I can think of. I drove from chicago to MLG Providence finals in 2011 and didnt get a seat till the last day and watch naniwa get crushed.
it's not a big deal lets not make this drama
How is this not a "big deal"? You are paying $15 for 1 day of the event for seats but they don't have enough for everyone.
Because you're not paying for a seat, its entrance into a venue.
IDK How you can make that argument when the ticket name was "general seating".
On October 28 2013 12:04 ninjamyst wrote: It's common for events to have General Seating. There's no way they gonna assign seats to everyone. If you want assigned seats, you gonna have to pay up for VIP or Premium.
Like I said I don't think General seating is an issue. I just think they should figure out before hand how many chairs are available and sell enough tickets to fill those seats. You can sit anywhere in those seats, first come first serve. Once all the chairs are sold they should sell tickets for cheaper that you can stand or sit on the floor and watch on the big screen. If people don't show up after some time then they should reallocate the seats to someone else.
Next time buy premium if you want to sit down so much.
On October 28 2013 11:42 Debian wrote: What do you guys think about this. I went to WCS Finals today and I was fairly disappointed. They charge everyone the same price for tickets (for general entry) but they they don't give any numbered seats so anyone can sit anywhere and if you leave to get an autograph someone will take your seat. To make matters worse they grossly oversold tickets, there were at least 30-50 people standing around or trying to find seats or just standing and watching on one of the big screens at the back. This kinda made me mad because they are charging for you for seats but don't have enough to give everyone.
To make matters worse there were a LOT (at least in the first couple hours of the event) of free seats listed as "premium" seats that no one was using but they didn't allocate to people that were standing around.
IMO I think in the future they should sell tickets for the number of seats they have available and charge a cheaper ticket for people who want to stand or sit on the floor at the back and watch on the big screen, first come first serve and allocate the "premium" seats to some general ticket holders (after a certain time period) that are the closest and move people up and allow others to get seats.
What do you guys think?
I knew this would happen. I think it was to be expected from the turnouts on Friday and Saturday. Thank you for supporting the scene though. I recommend people bring their own chairs from home. Sometimes they don't allow them but many people did today.
There were actually people sneaking into the primum seating that were empty because they didn't want to stand around anymore. Some got removed but couple (I know of) made it. Rather silly people had to resort tot hat.
On October 28 2013 12:04 ninjamyst wrote: It's common for events to have General Seating. There's no way they gonna assign seats to everyone. If you want assigned seats, you gonna have to pay up for VIP or Premium.
Like I said I don't think General seating is an issue. I just think they should figure out before hand how many chairs are available and sell enough tickets to fill those seats. You can sit anywhere in those seats, first come first serve. Once all the chairs are sold they should sell tickets for cheaper that you can stand or sit on the floor and watch on the big screen. If people don't show up after some time then they should reallocate the seats to someone else.
Next time buy premium if you want to sit down so much.
They don't sell premium seating for one day. They sold it for 3 days at once and it was something ridiculous like $120 or something.
On October 28 2013 11:42 Debian wrote: What do you guys think about this. I went to WCS Finals today and I was fairly disappointed. They charge everyone the same price for tickets (for general entry) but they they don't give any numbered seats so anyone can sit anywhere and if you leave to get an autograph someone will take your seat. To make matters worse they grossly oversold tickets, there were at least 30-50 people standing around or trying to find seats or just standing and watching on one of the big screens at the back. This kinda made me mad because they are charging for you for seats but don't have enough to give everyone.
They're not charging you for seats. They're charging you for entrance into the venue.
And yeah, occasionally you get a jerk who steals your seat, but if you leave a jacket on a chair or bring a friend and switch off getting up (so your friend can save your seat for you), there's rarely an issue.
On October 28 2013 11:42 Debian wrote: What do you guys think about this. I went to WCS Finals today and I was fairly disappointed. They charge everyone the same price for tickets (for general entry) but they they don't give any numbered seats so anyone can sit anywhere and if you leave to get an autograph someone will take your seat. To make matters worse they grossly oversold tickets, there were at least 30-50 people standing around or trying to find seats or just standing and watching on one of the big screens at the back. This kinda made me mad because they are charging for you for seats but don't have enough to give everyone.
To make matters worse there were a LOT (at least in the first couple hours of the event) of free seats listed as "premium" seats that no one was using but they didn't allocate to people that were standing around.
IMO I think in the future they should sell tickets for the number of seats they have available and charge a cheaper ticket for people who want to stand or sit on the floor at the back and watch on the big screen, first come first serve and allocate the "premium" seats to some general ticket holders (after a certain time period) that are the closest and move people up and allow others to get seats.
What do you guys think?
I knew this would happen. I think it was to be expected from the turnouts on Friday and Saturday. Thank you for supporting the scene though. I recommend people bring their own chairs from home. Sometimes they don't allow them but many people did today.
There were actually people sneaking into the primum seating that were empty because they didn't want to stand around anymore. Some got removed but couple (I know of) made it. Rather silly people had to resort tot hat.
Clearly you haven't seen BW days of seating, fans are willing to stand around for hours and hours just to watch a game and I don't think anyone ever complained about anything like this before.
On October 28 2013 12:18 Caihead wrote: Clearly you haven't seen BW days of seating, fans are willing to stand around for hours and hours just to watch a game and I don't think anyone ever complained about anything like this before.
That passion. This guy knows. All sorts of fun stories about that and the fan clubs.
On October 28 2013 12:18 Caihead wrote: Clearly you haven't seen BW days of seating, fans are willing to stand around for hours and hours just to watch a game and I don't think anyone ever complained about anything like this before.
That passion. This guy knows. All sorts of fun stories about that and the fan clubs.
Best was still the endless tie breakers, fans who stayed for that, oh man.
I'm confused. Do you think that they should stop selling tickets once they run out of chairs? That would spoil the fun for all of the people who just want to go to watch the game. Clearly they did not anticipate that the venue would be so popular. You were pretty free to sit where you wanted, besides the premium area and areas that would block people's view or obstruct passage. You could have brought your own chair, I saw many people doing that and putting them wherever they wanted.
I fully agree about the premium seats and how many of them were empty though, what a waste. I like the idea about changing how that system works.
Besides that and the obvious lack of foreigners, there were few problems with the venue and I enjoyed the event more than the previous NASL in Toronto, and hope you enjoyed it as well.
On October 28 2013 11:54 nGBeast wrote: This has happened at every tournament I can think of. I drove from chicago to MLG Providence finals in 2011 and didnt get a seat till the last day and watch naniwa get crushed.
it's not a big deal lets not make this drama
How is this not a "big deal"? You are paying $15 for 1 day of the event for seats but they don't have enough for everyone.
Because you're not paying for a seat, its entrance into a venue.
IDK How you can make that argument when the ticket name was "general seating".
Because unless your ticket has a seat number corresponding to a specific labeled seat (like tickets to a sports game), General Seating just means You Can Come In But You're Not Special :/
On October 28 2013 12:04 ninjamyst wrote: It's common for events to have General Seating. There's no way they gonna assign seats to everyone. If you want assigned seats, you gonna have to pay up for VIP or Premium.
Like I said I don't think General seating is an issue. I just think they should figure out before hand how many chairs are available and sell enough tickets to fill those seats. You can sit anywhere in those seats, first come first serve. Once all the chairs are sold they should sell tickets for cheaper that you can stand or sit on the floor and watch on the big screen. If people don't show up after some time then they should reallocate the seats to someone else.
Next time buy premium if you want to sit down so much.
I'm pretty sure the premium seats sold out really fast though
On October 28 2013 12:23 dgwow wrote: I'm confused. Do you think that they should stop selling tickets once they run out of chairs? That would spoil the fun for all of the people who just want to go to watch the game. Clearly they did not anticipate that the venue would be so popular. You were pretty free to sit where you wanted, besides the premium area and areas that would block people's view or obstruct passage. You could have brought your own chair, I saw many people doing that and putting them wherever they wanted.
Agreed. Also, what about the people who buy a ticket and only stay a half day? That should prevent other people who want to come for the second half of the day from getting in at all (because X number of tickets have already been sold)? o.O Sounds silly.
On October 28 2013 11:54 nGBeast wrote: This has happened at every tournament I can think of. I drove from chicago to MLG Providence finals in 2011 and didnt get a seat till the last day and watch naniwa get crushed.
it's not a big deal lets not make this drama
How is this not a "big deal"? You are paying $15 for 1 day of the event for seats but they don't have enough for everyone.
Because you're not paying for a seat, its entrance into a venue.
IDK How you can make that argument when the ticket name was "general seating".
Because unless your ticket has a seat number corresponding to a specific labeled seat (like tickets to a sports game), General Seating just means You Can Come In But You're Not Special :/
I don't see why it has to mean that. I think it mean more like there are you have a one ticket for seats and can sit anywhere in the general seating area.
On October 28 2013 12:04 ninjamyst wrote: It's common for events to have General Seating. There's no way they gonna assign seats to everyone. If you want assigned seats, you gonna have to pay up for VIP or Premium.
Like I said I don't think General seating is an issue. I just think they should figure out before hand how many chairs are available and sell enough tickets to fill those seats. You can sit anywhere in those seats, first come first serve. Once all the chairs are sold they should sell tickets for cheaper that you can stand or sit on the floor and watch on the big screen. If people don't show up after some time then they should reallocate the seats to someone else.
Next time buy premium if you want to sit down so much.
They don't sell premium seating for one day. They sold it for 3 days at once and it was something ridiculous like $120 or something.
Errr no, it was actually half of that. Total after taxes for a premium pass was $64.29.
On October 28 2013 12:08 PhoenixHope wrote: Well I bought a premium ticket and went home to watch it because I don't like a pillar blocking the main screen. I couldn't see shit in 4 diff spots. Premium tickets are being sold premium seats, but 3/5 aren't so premium. That's probably why nobody was using them mentioned in the first one. Also plenty of ppl with standard tickets that took premium seats. If you had no seat and told one of the workers there, he would just walk up to the edge seats and say show me your tickets and remove a few of them, but that was only on the sides where it is easier to pass. When I get neck pain I get a headache too, so I just had to leave. Personally I had no fun, of course you can see many people did.
It sucks you had this experience. I will say the set-up was not the best with the main screen being so low.
On October 28 2013 12:23 dgwow wrote: I'm confused. Do you think that they should stop selling tickets once they run out of chairs? That would spoil the fun for all of the people who just want to go to watch the game. Clearly they did not anticipate that the venue would be so popular. You were pretty free to sit where you wanted, besides the premium area and areas that would block people's view or obstruct passage. You could have brought your own chair, I saw many people doing that and putting them wherever they wanted.
Agreed. Also, what about the people who buy a ticket and only stay a half day? That should prevent other people who want to come for the second half of the day from getting in at all (because X number of tickets have already been sold)? o.O Sounds silly.
I'll speak for myself and my buddies when I say we were going in and out constantly.
On October 28 2013 12:32 XiaoJoyce- wrote: What is premium seat? Why nobody is sitting there?
The seats closer to the front were labeled "premium seating". The people who bought "Premium" seating tickets (3 day) for $120 or w/e get to sit in them. They didn't show up so there were a bunch of empty seats at the front. A lot of people ended up sneaking into them and filling them up later in the event.
On October 28 2013 11:54 nGBeast wrote: This has happened at every tournament I can think of. I drove from chicago to MLG Providence finals in 2011 and didnt get a seat till the last day and watch naniwa get crushed.
it's not a big deal lets not make this drama
How is this not a "big deal"? You are paying $15 for 1 day of the event for seats but they don't have enough for everyone.
Because you're not paying for a seat, its entrance into a venue.
IDK How you can make that argument when the ticket name was "general seating".
Because unless your ticket has a seat number corresponding to a specific labeled seat (like tickets to a sports game), General Seating just means You Can Come In But You're Not Special :/
I don't see why it has to mean that. I think it mean more like there are you have a one ticket for seats and can sit anywhere in the general seating area.
Well you can, but if someone's sitting in the chair, you can't kick them out. So get there early and find an open seat.
I'm going to assume and say Debian bought two tickets.
Also, I wouldn't mind the NASL getting a proper venue in the actual City next time. I think we've shown that we can fill a place. I figured we'd get that amount of people easily.
On October 28 2013 12:23 dgwow wrote: I'm confused. Do you think that they should stop selling tickets once they run out of chairs? That would spoil the fun for all of the people who just want to go to watch the game. Clearly they did not anticipate that the venue would be so popular. You were pretty free to sit where you wanted, besides the premium area and areas that would block people's view or obstruct passage. You could have brought your own chair, I saw many people doing that and putting them wherever they wanted.
Agreed. Also, what about the people who buy a ticket and only stay a half day? That should prevent other people who want to come for the second half of the day from getting in at all (because X number of tickets have already been sold)? o.O Sounds silly.
I'll speak for myself and my buddies when I say we were going in and out constantly.
I've done that as well with my friends and brothers. We've been to half a dozen SC2 events and we understand the importance of getting to the venue early to get decent seats (because we've been to, like, any crowded place ever >.>) and coming up with a system so that we can take turns getting up if necessary, or if we all need to get up, we understand we might not get our chairs back. It happens, you live with it, and you move on.
Not finding a chair is not a big deal IMO. I have been to so many general admission events and concerts where I couldn't sit down and it was fine. Lesson to be learned is that you don't always get a chair.
On October 28 2013 12:23 dgwow wrote: I'm confused. Do you think that they should stop selling tickets once they run out of chairs? That would spoil the fun for all of the people who just want to go to watch the game. Clearly they did not anticipate that the venue would be so popular. You were pretty free to sit where you wanted, besides the premium area and areas that would block people's view or obstruct passage. You could have brought your own chair, I saw many people doing that and putting them wherever they wanted.
Agreed. Also, what about the people who buy a ticket and only stay a half day? That should prevent other people who want to come for the second half of the day from getting in at all (because X number of tickets have already been sold)? o.O Sounds silly.
I'll speak for myself and my buddies when I say we were going in and out constantly.
I've done that as well with my friends and brothers. We've been to half a dozen SC2 events and we understand the importance of getting to the venue early to get decent seats (because we've been to, like, any crowded place ever >.>) and coming up with a system so that we can take turns getting up if necessary, or if we all need to get up, we understand we might not get our chairs back. It happens, you live with it, and you move on.
On October 28 2013 12:32 XiaoJoyce- wrote: What is premium seat? Why nobody is sitting there?
The seats closer to the front were labeled "premium seating". They people who bought "Premium" tickets 3 day for $120 or w/e get to sit in them.
Did you not read my post? Premium seats were $60 plus tax NOT $120 as you continue to believe for whatever reason.
Woops, I didn't see your post. Sorry. I guess that is a lot more reasonable.
They still didn't sell premium seating per day though.
On October 28 2013 12:38 nGBeast wrote: I can't believe you're actually complaining that there were not enough seats, it sounds like you've never been to any kind of esports event.
"GAME IS DED NO VIEWERS"
or
"I DIDNT GET A SEAT WHY DID THEY SELL SO MANY TICKETS"
are we really gonna do this
No. You didn't read what I said at all. Don't oversell seating tickets. Have seating tickets based on the max chairs in the venue and sell standing room tickets for the rest of the people.
On October 28 2013 12:42 Plansix wrote: Not finding a chair is not a big deal IMO. I have been to so many general admission events and concerts where I couldn't sit down and it was fine. Lesson to be learned is that you don't always get a chair.
Screw you. If I'm at a concert I want GA because GA is the best. We want to dance and jump around!
On October 28 2013 12:23 dgwow wrote: I'm confused. Do you think that they should stop selling tickets once they run out of chairs? That would spoil the fun for all of the people who just want to go to watch the game. Clearly they did not anticipate that the venue would be so popular. You were pretty free to sit where you wanted, besides the premium area and areas that would block people's view or obstruct passage. You could have brought your own chair, I saw many people doing that and putting them wherever they wanted.
Agreed. Also, what about the people who buy a ticket and only stay a half day? That should prevent other people who want to come for the second half of the day from getting in at all (because X number of tickets have already been sold)? o.O Sounds silly.
I'll speak for myself and my buddies when I say we were going in and out constantly.
I've done that as well with my friends and brothers. We've been to half a dozen SC2 events and we understand the importance of getting to the venue early to get decent seats (because we've been to, like, any crowded place ever >.>) and coming up with a system so that we can take turns getting up if necessary, or if we all need to get up, we understand we might not get our chairs back. It happens, you live with it, and you move on.
Indeed, that's why I bring my own chairs.
That sounds like an awesome idea, as long as they let you bring your chairs into the venue ^^
On October 28 2013 12:42 Plansix wrote: Not finding a chair is not a big deal IMO. I have been to so many general admission events and concerts where I couldn't sit down and it was fine. Lesson to be learned is that you don't always get a chair.
Screw you. If I'm at a concert I want GA because GA is the best. We want to dance and jump around!
I am talking 5 hour events with zero seating. I want to jump around too, but not for 5 hours. I am just saying that a general admission event/show is just that, general admission. First come, first served for seats.
On October 28 2013 12:23 dgwow wrote: I'm confused. Do you think that they should stop selling tickets once they run out of chairs? That would spoil the fun for all of the people who just want to go to watch the game. Clearly they did not anticipate that the venue would be so popular. You were pretty free to sit where you wanted, besides the premium area and areas that would block people's view or obstruct passage. You could have brought your own chair, I saw many people doing that and putting them wherever they wanted.
Agreed. Also, what about the people who buy a ticket and only stay a half day? That should prevent other people who want to come for the second half of the day from getting in at all (because X number of tickets have already been sold)? o.O Sounds silly.
I'll speak for myself and my buddies when I say we were going in and out constantly.
I've done that as well with my friends and brothers. We've been to half a dozen SC2 events and we understand the importance of getting to the venue early to get decent seats (because we've been to, like, any crowded place ever >.>) and coming up with a system so that we can take turns getting up if necessary, or if we all need to get up, we understand we might not get our chairs back. It happens, you live with it, and you move on.
Indeed, that's why I bring my own chairs.
That sounds like an awesome idea, as long as they let you bring your chairs into the venue ^^
They might have because I saw someone sitting on a leafs folding chair (unless they snuck it in?). It was only one person though so I'm not 100% sure. I guess I'll do that if there is any more events in TO.
On October 28 2013 12:23 dgwow wrote: I'm confused. Do you think that they should stop selling tickets once they run out of chairs? That would spoil the fun for all of the people who just want to go to watch the game. Clearly they did not anticipate that the venue would be so popular. You were pretty free to sit where you wanted, besides the premium area and areas that would block people's view or obstruct passage. You could have brought your own chair, I saw many people doing that and putting them wherever they wanted.
Agreed. Also, what about the people who buy a ticket and only stay a half day? That should prevent other people who want to come for the second half of the day from getting in at all (because X number of tickets have already been sold)? o.O Sounds silly.
I'll speak for myself and my buddies when I say we were going in and out constantly.
I've done that as well with my friends and brothers. We've been to half a dozen SC2 events and we understand the importance of getting to the venue early to get decent seats (because we've been to, like, any crowded place ever >.>) and coming up with a system so that we can take turns getting up if necessary, or if we all need to get up, we understand we might not get our chairs back. It happens, you live with it, and you move on.
Indeed, that's why I bring my own chairs.
That sounds like an awesome idea, as long as they let you bring your chairs into the venue ^^
On October 28 2013 12:42 Plansix wrote: Not finding a chair is not a big deal IMO. I have been to so many general admission events and concerts where I couldn't sit down and it was fine. Lesson to be learned is that you don't always get a chair.
Screw you. If I'm at a concert I want GA because GA is the best. We want to dance and jump around!
I am talking 5 hour events with zero seating. I want to jump around too, but not for 5 hours. I am just saying that a general admission event/show is just that, general admission. First come, first served for seats.
That's why I said concert. ;o Not arguing against the other point.
This will happen at any event that does not have assigned seating. I really don't see why there needs to be drama because you were not allowed to sit down on a chair. Its great that Arrow Hall was able to "over sell" and still be able to fit everyone inside, at least they did not have to reject people because it was too full and had fire code issues.
Seats will always be a problem at any event. Only time there wont be is at a venue like the ACC, Skydome or any other sports venue that has assigned seats. And keeping seats at the front for people who buy the premium seats, it sucks for the event when they are empty, to pan out to the fans and see so many empty seats. People would say that the event sucked.
I believe technically you aren't buying a seat with a ticket, just entry to the venue. I ended up standing a lot on day 3 myself but I don't mind, it is what it is. I was just happy so many people showed up.
They brought out way more chairs on day 3. Since day 1, people were still either at school or at work, it was big crowd, but not over crowded. There was plenty of ways to walk around the venue. On day 3.... my god, they brought out so many more chairs that there was only 1 path way left to go the washrooms. They were just wheeling out more and more chairs and just planting them down anywhere they can place them. I was standing around for the first 2 hours right behind all the VIPs and then to my surprise they wheeled out chairs and everyone in that particular area got to sit down. Even if they didn't I would have been willing stand the whole night. I was on my feet the entire day of day 2. Going around to take pictures and get autographs. I just wish the autograph signings had a schedule. I got all the autographs I lined up for. But for the people who lined up and couldn't get a their turn before the player left, that was too bad.
I think it was amazing the that event managed to draw out such a massive crowd and the cheers were extremely loud. =)
On October 28 2013 12:53 movac wrote: They brought out way more chairs on day 3. Since day 1, people were still either at school or at work, it was big crowd, but not over crowded. There was plenty of ways to walk around the venue. On day 3.... my god, they brought out so many more chairs that there was only 1 path way left to go the washrooms. They were just wheeling out more and more chairs and just planting them down anywhere they can place them. I was standing around for the first 2 hours right behind all the VIPs and then to my surprise they wheeled out chairs and everyone in that particular area got to sit down. Even if they didn't I would have been willing stand the whole night. I was on my feet the entire day of day 2. Going around to take pictures and get autographs. I just wish the autograph signings had a schedule. I got all the autographs I lined up for. But for the people who lined up and couldn't get a their turn before the player left, that was too bad.
I think it was amazing the that event managed to draw out such a massive crowd and the cheers were extremely loud. =)
We knew it would draw out that big a crowd and yes we be loud.
On October 28 2013 12:50 lichter wrote: I would sit on hot coals to watch SC2 live
Where do you live? Are there no events near you?
Same here, unless I travel to NYC and spend way to much money on a hotel. People in Ohio and California have it so good.
I live in NJ and was happy to hit up MLG Columbus a few times, MLG Providence, and IPL?3? in Atlantic City ^^ Haven't had time to go to a NYC event yet :/
On October 28 2013 12:50 lichter wrote: I would sit on hot coals to watch SC2 live
Where do you live? Are there no events near you?
Same here, unless I travel to NYC and spend way to much money on a hotel. People in Ohio and California have it so good.
I live in NJ and was happy to hit up MLG Columbus a few times, MLG Providence, and IPL?3? in Atlantic City ^^ Haven't had time to go to a NYC event yet :/
I live in Boston, so it is a fucking haul to get to any part of the US. I think it would be a 36 hour drive to Columbus. Plus I have this mortgage thing and I can't justify putting that many miles on my car. Don't get old kids, you can do less fun, impulsive stuff.
I will probably never have the opportunity to see a SC match live, even though I'd love to. I'm a student in the UK where there is literally no live scene, I don't understand how you can complain about this when you actually had the opportunity to watch live Starcraft! If you can't stand for a few hours then I think the problem's on your side, sorry.
I was unfortunate to grow up in Utah, and nothing happens out there just some local events, no big ones. I've recently moved out to North Carolina, and I'm hoping MLG does sc2 in Raleigh next year :D
I would stand the whole freaking day if I could watch a pro sc2 event live.
On October 28 2013 13:01 Marcus420 wrote: there was a lack of food vendors. I didnt pack any food thinking the place would have pizza or something. -____- mmm mixed nuts and a can of rebull
The poutine at Sketch's was absolutely disgusting. Anyway, considering the location there are tons of restaurants that goes over a mile long. You really had to go outside of the venue if you wanted decent grub. Mainly steakhouses. Wish we were downtown or at least uptown.
On October 28 2013 12:53 movac wrote: They brought out way more chairs on day 3. Since day 1, people were still either at school or at work, it was big crowd, but not over crowded. There was plenty of ways to walk around the venue. On day 3.... my god, they brought out so many more chairs that there was only 1 path way left to go the washrooms. They were just wheeling out more and more chairs and just planting them down anywhere they can place them. I was standing around for the first 2 hours right behind all the VIPs and then to my surprise they wheeled out chairs and everyone in that particular area got to sit down. Even if they didn't I would have been willing stand the whole night. I was on my feet the entire day of day 2. Going around to take pictures and get autographs. I just wish the autograph signings had a schedule. I got all the autographs I lined up for. But for the people who lined up and couldn't get a their turn before the player left, that was too bad.
I think it was amazing the that event managed to draw out such a massive crowd and the cheers were extremely loud. =)
omg, that made me pretty angry/sad. Lined up (huge lineup) for Hero/Scarlett/Gretorp sig and by the time I got to the front Scarlett and Hero both ditched so we only got Gretorp sig. He was really cool though. Glad I got to meeting him, just sad that Hero and Scarlett left. Then right after we got the sig Genius started signing, which also kinda ticked me off because he literally started signing like a min after we got our sigs.
We actually asked where day9 was because people were talking about him. Apparently he was scheduled to sign then but went out to get food instead. Bummer.
I ended up getting Hack and Gretorp sig in the end.
On October 28 2013 12:50 lichter wrote: I would sit on hot coals to watch SC2 live
Where do you live? Are there no events near you?
Same here, unless I travel to NYC and spend way to much money on a hotel. People in Ohio and California have it so good.
I live in NJ and was happy to hit up MLG Columbus a few times, MLG Providence, and IPL?3? in Atlantic City ^^ Haven't had time to go to a NYC event yet :/
I live in Boston, so it is a fucking haul to get to any part of the US. I think it would be a 36 hour drive to Columbus. Plus I have this mortgage thing and I can't justify putting that many miles on my car. Don't get old kids, you can do less fun, impulsive stuff.
Well it's an 8-9 hour drive from my house in NJ to Columbus, and a 4 hour drive to Boston, so worst case scenario, it's about a 13 hour drive for you (although Google maps says it's only about 12 hours). Boston to Miami is only a 24 hour drive (not including stops) lol.
But either way, long road trips are a pain unless you can rotate drivers x.x
Just looking back at the announcement about tickets, they were labelled as "Premium Seating" and "General Admission" so as a lot of people are saying it does seem to imply general was for entrance to the venue.
On October 28 2013 12:51 FosTA wrote: This will happen at any event that does not have assigned seating. I really don't see why there needs to be drama because you were not allowed to sit down on a chair. Its great that Arrow Hall was able to "over sell" and still be able to fit everyone inside, at least they did not have to reject people because it was too full and had fire code issues.
Seats will always be a problem at any event. Only time there wont be is at a venue like the ACC, Skydome or any other sports venue that has assigned seats. And keeping seats at the front for people who buy the premium seats, it sucks for the event when they are empty, to pan out to the fans and see so many empty seats. People would say that the event sucked.
That's what happened to me. Watching it on TV (stream on TV) the event didn't really look that huge because they panned out and you could see the empty seats. When we got there, it blew me away because it was damn nuts.
On October 28 2013 11:54 nGBeast wrote: This has happened at every tournament I can think of. I drove from chicago to MLG Providence finals in 2011 and didnt get a seat till the last day and watch naniwa get crushed.
On October 28 2013 13:09 JazzJackrabbit wrote: Just looking back at the announcement about tickets, they were labelled as "Premium Seating" and "General Admission" so as a lot of people are saying it does seem to imply general was for entrance to the venue.
Except they sold the tickets as general seating tickets, not general admission. General seating is a much diff than general admission.
On October 28 2013 11:54 nGBeast wrote: This has happened at every tournament I can think of. I drove from chicago to MLG Providence finals in 2011 and didnt get a seat till the last day and watch naniwa get crushed.
It says General Admission and only guarantees seating for Premium Passes. Then again, maybe they worded differently for tickets that were sold at the venue.
Edit: Hmm well they do say "Seating will be divided into sections: premium and general." I don't know....it is what it is.
It says General Admission and only guarantees seating for Premium Passes. Then again, maybe they worded differently for tickets that were sold at the venue.
Not really. It just says the general seating doesn't assign you a seat and that you can sit anywhere in the general seating section and if you get up someone else can take your spot. It doesn't say that there isn't a guaranteed seat for either premium or general seating.
It says General Admission and only guarantees seating for Premium Passes. Then again, maybe they worded differently for tickets that were sold at the venue.
Edit: Hmm well they do say "Seating will be divided into sections: premium and general." I don't know....it is what it is.
You had to get the 3 day premium package to get the front seats. I think this was to have a good sized crowd for the cameras each day.
You could've complained about not being able to see or how Day9 chose to get intimate with the 10% of the people who got autographs and pictures while the 90% waited 3hrs in line just for a high five or the lack of food vendors.
Instead you complain about seating because you were late to the event and didn't have the confidence to ask strangers whether or not the seat next to them was taken.
It says General Admission and only guarantees seating for Premium Passes. Then again, maybe they worded differently for tickets that were sold at the venue.
Edit: Hmm well they do say "Seating will be divided into sections: premium and general." I don't know....it is what it is.
You had to get the 3 day premium package to get the front seats. I think this was to have a good sized crowd for the cameras each day.
No, it's just normal for these type of events to sell them this way. Whether it be conventions or races like Formula 1/Indy. It's just common practice.
Don't buy VIP/Premium passes at E-sports events on the purpose that you will have a reserve seat because it is not happening. The passes I had extended to every game.
I won VIP passes to this year's MLG Anahiem. For the most part people who didn't have passes did not go to the VIP area for the SC2 side, but it wasn't being enforced at all especially at the League section.
At convention centers there is company staff and convention center staff. The convention center staff doesn't give a shit, they don't know whats up and they are usually there to enforce these kinds of things.
Yea I feel like it was really hard for a lot of people to even have a good view of any of the screens due to this problem. It made the event much less fun to watch when you can barely see what is going on. :/
On October 28 2013 13:22 Nightsz wrote: You could've complained about not being able to see or how Day9 chose to get intimate with the 10% of the people who got autographs and pictures while the 90% waited 3hrs in line just for a high five or the lack of food vendors.
Instead you complain about seating because you were late to the event and didn't have the confidence to ask strangers whether or not the seat next to them was taken.
wow.
Because IMO this is a bigger issue. You aren't paying a ticket to get Day9 sig, you're paying a ticket to get seats to watch SC2.
If they put seating not guaranteed in the ticket I wouldn't have complained, but they didn't.
On October 28 2013 13:34 FabledIntegral wrote: Limited chairs probably due to fire safety regulations.
Having done events that required fire safety...
Room can hold - 1,000 people Standing Same room can only hold - 500 people sitting but if you do half and half - 200 sitting 700 standing. you get more people with some sitting and rest standing. *Random numbers but you get the point.
You always aim for the most amount of people that could come to the event and still be comfy. If you do sitting only then you are going to lose out on sales and no company wants to lose out on sales.
On October 28 2013 13:22 Nightsz wrote: You could've complained about not being able to see or how Day9 chose to get intimate with the 10% of the people who got autographs and pictures while the 90% waited 3hrs in line just for a high five or the lack of food vendors.
Instead you complain about seating because you were late to the event and didn't have the confidence to ask strangers whether or not the seat next to them was taken.
wow.
Because IMO this is a bigger issue. You aren't paying a ticket to get Day9 sig, you're paying a ticket to get seats to watch SC2.
If they put seating not guaranteed in the ticket I wouldn't have complained, but they didn't.
It should be a given. Not every ticket you buy must include a what to bring list or what to expect. You are going to a live event that does not have assigned seating like if you were to go to a hockey game at the ACC.
Its more like going to the bar on a Friday night. You should expect to be standing while you drink your beer. And if you get lucky and get a seat perfect. Or go to the bar earlier before the big rush and get a seat.
On October 28 2013 11:54 nGBeast wrote: This has happened at every tournament I can think of. I drove from chicago to MLG Providence finals in 2011 and didnt get a seat till the last day and watch naniwa get crushed.
On October 28 2013 13:34 FabledIntegral wrote: Limited chairs probably due to fire safety regulations.
Having done events that required fire safety...
Room can hold - 1,000 people Standing Same room can only hold - 500 people sitting but if you do half and half - 200 sitting 700 standing. you get more people with some sitting and rest standing. *Random numbers but you get the point.
You always aim for the most amount of people that could come to the event and still be comfy. If you do sitting only then you are going to lose out on sales and no company wants to lose out on sales.
I still can't believe how many people continue to miss what I'm saying...
On October 28 2013 11:49 KanoCoke wrote: I think that's a good idea.
But I don't think the staff expected this sort of thing to happen, which is why they were unprepared. They could have definitely dealt with this better though.
Hopefully they get it all good for Blizzcon.
BlizzCon is general seating. And they put on the main stage a ton of view screens for overseating.
I hope they move the SC2 stage to the main stage for the finals so more people can view the live stage. But I doubt they have the time and logistics to move all the production in a short period of time.
Get there early and work with a group of friends for seating. I think I got to good GSL finals seats 90 minutes early... since its only one tournament this year and its right after another, seating is going to be fierce this year.
On October 28 2013 12:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Because unless your ticket has a seat number corresponding to a specific labeled seat (like tickets to a sports game), General Seating just means You Can Come In But You're Not Special :/
I was at the event and I think this thread is stupid.
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