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This seemed like a gamble contract that he'll get to very good/elite level at some point over that term. He's 23 and I think this deal eats up 5 years of his ufa eligibilty. While I agree with most of what you are saying, he's still got a couple of years before we can write him off as not ever gonna be elite.
I dunno I am not too crazy about him. I didn't look up his advanced stats though. However, I look at this and this is exactly what the Habs shoulda done with PK. He was looking for 5/5, they gave him a bridge when PK was lightyears ahead of Bogosian and clearly headed for upper echelon of defenders and now they are gonna pay out the goddamn nose for him. Even Slats abandoned his bridge contract philosophy for the team when McDonagh started tearing shit up as a RFA.
and yeah sub40, I think these deals are more of it being winnipeg, rewarding loyalty and wanting to make themselves attractive to future FAs by being somewhat competitive. Honestly, if Pavelec wasn't brutal last year, they'd be better. That's like MAF levels of bad contract
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On July 30 2013 22:45 QuanticHawk wrote:
This seemed like a gamble contract that he'll get to very good/elite level at some point over that term. He's 23 and I think this deal eats up 5 years of his ufa eligibilty. While I agree with most of what you are saying, he's still got a couple of years before we can write him off as not ever gonna be elite.
I dunno I am not too crazy about him. I didn't look up his advanced stats though. However, I look at this and this is exactly what the Habs shoulda done with PK. He was looking for 5/5, they gave him a bridge when PK was lightyears ahead of Bogosian and clearly headed for upper echelon of defenders and now they are gonna pay out the goddamn nose for him. Even Slats abandoned his bridge contract philosophy for the team when McDonagh started tearing shit up as a RFA.
and yeah sub40, I think these deals are more of it being winnipeg, rewarding loyalty and wanting to make themselves attractive to future FAs by being somewhat competitive. Honestly, if Pavelec wasn't brutal last year, they'd be better. That's like MAF levels of bad contract
yup MB screwed up pretty hard there, pk basically wanted the same type of contract that ek-larsson just got
cap hit comps to bogosian's contract: http://www.capgeek.com/comparables/?player_id=349&year_id=2013
seems like a pretty fair deal imo, jets might have overpaid by like 300-400k but yea theyre pretty much paying for youth/potential
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Yeah I don't think it is a terrible gamble or anything, but we won't know if it was worthwhile for at least 3-4 more years. He'll be in his prime and youll know how he is gonna be as a player. You gotta bit the bullet price wise when you eat up those ufa years. If you bridge him to UFA and he wants to test, a 25 year old player who is viewed as having high potential will get a crazy deal
I really wanna see how much money PK gets. He deserves every penny. I love every thing about that little pesky shit hahah
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without a doubt close to 7.5-8m t.t
and i dont think hell go easy on us cus MB was pretty stingy w/ him during his last contract negotiations
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Wouldn't be surprised to see Subban at Weber's number for sure. He's a real dynamo.
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Yeah I would imagine. They're gonna use Letang as a baseline. He's younger, better in his own end, more physical, prob as good or better offensively, and younger with a norris.
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Bogosian typically plays a 'shut-down' role against tougher competition - or at least he has in years past - so it's natural that he wouldn't stand out. A guy who can play that role and play it well at the age of 23 is a pretty rare find. It's quite a bit of money but Bogosian has always been one of those guys who I wished other managements under-valued so that my shitty team could trade for him.
I've always really liked the player so I'm somewhat biased in the evaluation of his new contract. Personally, I find it relatively likely that he will be worth the money.
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Yeah I forgot to mention that earlier, he draws the tough minutes so Enstrom can rack up points and Buff doesn't have a stroke from lugging his fat ass around the ice for 22 minutes a night.
If anything, the lens i am looking through it at is comparing him to McDonagh. McD is the clear cut best defender on the Rangers and he makes less. Girardi is very good at too, but he just does everything better than him. Bogo (I am using this because it sounds cool) can probably be anywhere from 1-3. Buff is a bit overrated, but Enstrom is underrated if anything. I am not sure about McD's RFA situation compared with Bogo's
I do agree about this most likely being worth it in the long run though
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somekindofninja.com is also good too.
If someone wants to do a little write up on how to analyze advanced stuff, I'd be happy to toss it in the op.
in other news, I just saw on the nyr facebook that Zucc resigned. No words on term/$ yet, but this was an 11th hour deal before arbitration. Teams and players seem to be trying really hard to avoid going to it now. I am sure that is in part due to anything under $3 being binding.
On July 31 2013 00:29 TT1 wrote:
mcd has some really solid numbers
Yeah he just chews up stupid hard minutes with Girardi. Such a fluid skater, and just makes great decisions in his own end a lot. His offensive game isn't great but it is underrated, and I hope he kinda breaks out a bit more in that role under AV. He showed flashes of offensive skill that makes you think he could definitely be a 40pt a year guy regularly.
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mcd has some really solid numbers
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The big difference between the Bogosian and, say, McDonagh contracts are the UFA years.
Players can become UFA in a few ways: two of which are by being 27 years old at the end of June, or by playing 7 NHL seasons.
Bogo (I'm gonna use that too) started playing as an 18 year old and burned his ELC quite quickly. This long term deal is his third contract and he has already played 5 full NHL seasons. That means that a 7 year deal for him, despite being an RFA when signed, actually buys 5 years of his UFA status, which is pretty significant.
Obviously some GM would throw AZUBU money at a 25 year old UFA defenseman who could play top or second pairing.
By comparison, McDonagh would not have become an UFA for three more years, meaning his 6 year deal eats 3 of those expensive years compared to 5. That can explain the difference in cost.
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lol ek-larsson had a 2.761 CORSI Rel QoC while playing against 0.125 qual comp (3rd highest), pretty insane
basic summary of a few of the stats: http://www.broadstreethockey.com/pages/bsh-advanced-stats-glossary
On July 31 2013 00:32 Flaccid wrote:
The big difference between the Bogosian and, say, McDonagh contracts are the UFA years.
Players can become UFA in a few ways: two of which are by being 27 years old at the end of June, or by playing 7 NHL seasons.
Bogo (I'm gonna use that too) started playing as an 18 year old and burned his ELC quite quickly. This long term deal is his third contract and he has already played 5 full NHL seasons. That means that a 7 year deal for him, despite being an RFA when signed, actually buys 5 years of his UFA status, which is pretty significant.
Obviously some GM would throw AZUBU money at a 25 year old UFA defenseman who could play top or second pairing.
By comparison, McDonagh would not have become an UFA for three more years, meaning his 6 year deal eats 3 of those expensive years compared to 5. That can explain the difference in cost.
rofl
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Bogo and AZUBU money are now hockey shitposter approved terms. Carry on folks!
Yeah I figured there might have been a difference in RFA years and stuff but didn't google it. The last CBA added a year to the age/years served now, right? Are older guys grandfathered in at the old rate?
Those RFA deals that eat up UFA years are harder to compare than straight up regular RFA or UFA deals. But your explanation definitely makes sense
But yeah, I do think this is still an alright deal. Wheeler is ok too. Little's payment is the head scratcher. He's not be much more than a mediocre second liner at best other than the one year he potted 30 riding with Kovy.
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OEL is sofuckinggoddamnedgood.
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and hes so young t.t
i wonder if he'll ever turn into a lidstrom-esque player, hes definetly heading in the right direction
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I wish that team moved to Seattle or QC so there would actually be people in the stands to watch him. And so the team would actually be on tv more than once in a blue moon.
Ugh that whole phoenix situation just pisses me off. Within five years, it is gonna be the same song and dance they just went through
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still cant believe gainey gave up mcdonagh for fucking gomez -.,-.. oh well shit happens. with mcd in our lineup we might have not been able to draft galchenyuk, i guess his incompetence sorta paid off in the long run
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On July 29 2013 09:54 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 09:32 Blisse wrote:On July 29 2013 09:18 GolemMadness wrote:On July 29 2013 07:35 Blisse wrote:On July 27 2013 06:19 QuanticHawk wrote:
Apparently talks might be stalling with Franson now because Nonis thinks he is asking too much, per dreger
What in the fuck is Nonis doing??? Franson is pretty good but I can't really give a good assessment because I don't watch him nightly like Leafs fans. BUt I do know that based on the organizational need for defensemen, particularly righties, that is silly. Franson didn't really produce anything after the first 20 games so I would imagine negotiations would be stalled due to him asking for a raise when he did nothing the latter half of the season. Our defensemen prospect pool is good, just no one's really ready for the nhl yet. Franson has a wicked shot though, which Holzer and Kostka don't have, so I guess that's where the stalling comes from. ~1.5-2 million would be about right for Franson I think. The problem is probably that we can't sign Kadri since Kadri will probably want around 3-4 million after this year, and Fraser still needs a raise too... Oh right, and someone needs to get rid of Liles. 8 points in his last 10 regular season games and 6 points in 7 playoff games? 1.5-2 million? You think the top scoring defenseman on the team should be paid like a 5th-6th defenseman? Okay, so spend $3 million on him and now we lose Kadri or Fraser. His previous contract was $1.2 million for a couple years so he's asking for a huge raise, which he probably does deserve, but we don't have the cap space for him if he's jacking up the price so much unless something happens with Liles. *whoa i read his stats upside down rofl Okay yeah he needs more money but fuck Nonis we don't have the space. http://theleafsnation.com/2013/7/26/fransontrade Fraser's pretty low priority compared to Franson and Kadri, but really, I don't see how they'll sign both of them unless they both take a discount. This is why you don't sign David Clarkson for 5.25 million or Bozak for 4.2.
Toronto just signed Fraser to a 1 year deal. I hope we can make a trade to keep Franson and Kadri. Nonis says all the time "if the price makes sense" so he might not have a deal with them because he doesn't want to pay them that much.
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On July 31 2013 00:55 TT1 wrote:
still cant believe gainey gave up mcdonagh for fucking gomez -.,-.. oh well shit happens. with mcd in our lineup we might have not been able to draft galchenyuk, i guess his incompetence sorta paid off in the long run
Gainey put us like 5 years behind were we should had been. and I would keep mcd instead of galchenyuk I think. Would help our goaly which need all the help he can get
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