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On July 29 2013 09:32 Blisse wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 09:18 GolemMadness wrote:On July 29 2013 07:35 Blisse wrote:On July 27 2013 06:19 QuanticHawk wrote:
Apparently talks might be stalling with Franson now because Nonis thinks he is asking too much, per dreger
What in the fuck is Nonis doing??? Franson is pretty good but I can't really give a good assessment because I don't watch him nightly like Leafs fans. BUt I do know that based on the organizational need for defensemen, particularly righties, that is silly. Franson didn't really produce anything after the first 20 games so I would imagine negotiations would be stalled due to him asking for a raise when he did nothing the latter half of the season. Our defensemen prospect pool is good, just no one's really ready for the nhl yet. Franson has a wicked shot though, which Holzer and Kostka don't have, so I guess that's where the stalling comes from. ~1.5-2 million would be about right for Franson I think. The problem is probably that we can't sign Kadri since Kadri will probably want around 3-4 million after this year, and Fraser still needs a raise too... Oh right, and someone needs to get rid of Liles. 8 points in his last 10 regular season games and 6 points in 7 playoff games? 1.5-2 million? You think the top scoring defenseman on the team should be paid like a 5th-6th defenseman? Okay, so spend $3 million on him and now we lose Kadri or Fraser. His previous contract was $1.2 million for a couple years so he's asking for a huge raise, which he probably does deserve, but we don't have the cap space for him if he's jacking up the price so much unless something happens with Liles. *whoa i read his stats upside down rofl Okay yeah he needs more money but fuck Nonis we don't have the space. http://theleafsnation.com/2013/7/26/fransontrade
Fraser's pretty low priority compared to Franson and Kadri, but really, I don't see how they'll sign both of them unless they both take a discount. This is why you don't sign David Clarkson for 5.25 million or Bozak for 4.2.
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Yeah they can't sign both without a trade. I can't imagine a world in which Franson takes a discount and watches two third liners get insane money. Kadri might get whacked by RFA status but I dont know how Nonis negotiates with those guys. If he goes for a two year prove me deal like Slats does with his RFAs, he can maybe get him for a couple million per. They just don't have the money to roll the dice that he'll be a legit top 6 player for his career and sign him long term now, and that is simply because Nonis has been brutal thus far.
Franson, I don't think he is great or anything, but top scoring dman on the leafs, big shot, righty shot, 6'5... they can't afford to lose him. It's like Nonis didn't even look at his team's needs when he opened up the checkbook at the beginning of the month. So silly
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I say let all of those players walk and give FRANCHISEBOZAK another raise.
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I'm really looking forward to seeing how the Red Wings compete in the Eastern Conference, but I am disappointed in the Alfredsson pickup. I think they could have definitely gotten a better forward for 5.5M.
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On July 30 2013 03:19 Rudolph wrote:
I'm really looking forward to seeing how the Red Wings compete in the Eastern Conference, but I am disappointed in the Alfredsson pickup. I think they could have definitely gotten a better forward for 5.5M.
sorry, ken holland has to hire an elderly swede and overpay him. its part of his contract.
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On July 29 2013 09:54 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 09:32 Blisse wrote:On July 29 2013 09:18 GolemMadness wrote:On July 29 2013 07:35 Blisse wrote:On July 27 2013 06:19 QuanticHawk wrote:
Apparently talks might be stalling with Franson now because Nonis thinks he is asking too much, per dreger
What in the fuck is Nonis doing??? Franson is pretty good but I can't really give a good assessment because I don't watch him nightly like Leafs fans. BUt I do know that based on the organizational need for defensemen, particularly righties, that is silly. Franson didn't really produce anything after the first 20 games so I would imagine negotiations would be stalled due to him asking for a raise when he did nothing the latter half of the season. Our defensemen prospect pool is good, just no one's really ready for the nhl yet. Franson has a wicked shot though, which Holzer and Kostka don't have, so I guess that's where the stalling comes from. ~1.5-2 million would be about right for Franson I think. The problem is probably that we can't sign Kadri since Kadri will probably want around 3-4 million after this year, and Fraser still needs a raise too... Oh right, and someone needs to get rid of Liles. 8 points in his last 10 regular season games and 6 points in 7 playoff games? 1.5-2 million? You think the top scoring defenseman on the team should be paid like a 5th-6th defenseman? Okay, so spend $3 million on him and now we lose Kadri or Fraser. His previous contract was $1.2 million for a couple years so he's asking for a huge raise, which he probably does deserve, but we don't have the cap space for him if he's jacking up the price so much unless something happens with Liles. *whoa i read his stats upside down rofl Okay yeah he needs more money but fuck Nonis we don't have the space. http://theleafsnation.com/2013/7/26/fransontrade Fraser's pretty low priority compared to Franson and Kadri, but really, I don't see how they'll sign both of them unless they both take a discount. This is why you don't sign David Clarkson for 5.25 million or Bozak for 4.2.
Since someone decided to bring up Kostka. He signed a two-way contract with Chicago and everybody is looking for the mullah.
On July 30 2013 03:40 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 03:19 Rudolph wrote:
I'm really looking forward to seeing how the Red Wings compete in the Eastern Conference, but I am disappointed in the Alfredsson pickup. I think they could have definitely gotten a better forward for 5.5M. sorry, ken holland has to hire an elderly swede and overpay him. its part of his contract.
How Swede it is! Can anyone name another team with more Swedish players than Detroit?
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On July 30 2013 03:44 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 09:54 GolemMadness wrote:On July 29 2013 09:32 Blisse wrote:On July 29 2013 09:18 GolemMadness wrote:On July 29 2013 07:35 Blisse wrote:On July 27 2013 06:19 QuanticHawk wrote:
Apparently talks might be stalling with Franson now because Nonis thinks he is asking too much, per dreger
What in the fuck is Nonis doing??? Franson is pretty good but I can't really give a good assessment because I don't watch him nightly like Leafs fans. BUt I do know that based on the organizational need for defensemen, particularly righties, that is silly. Franson didn't really produce anything after the first 20 games so I would imagine negotiations would be stalled due to him asking for a raise when he did nothing the latter half of the season. Our defensemen prospect pool is good, just no one's really ready for the nhl yet. Franson has a wicked shot though, which Holzer and Kostka don't have, so I guess that's where the stalling comes from. ~1.5-2 million would be about right for Franson I think. The problem is probably that we can't sign Kadri since Kadri will probably want around 3-4 million after this year, and Fraser still needs a raise too... Oh right, and someone needs to get rid of Liles. 8 points in his last 10 regular season games and 6 points in 7 playoff games? 1.5-2 million? You think the top scoring defenseman on the team should be paid like a 5th-6th defenseman? Okay, so spend $3 million on him and now we lose Kadri or Fraser. His previous contract was $1.2 million for a couple years so he's asking for a huge raise, which he probably does deserve, but we don't have the cap space for him if he's jacking up the price so much unless something happens with Liles. *whoa i read his stats upside down rofl Okay yeah he needs more money but fuck Nonis we don't have the space. http://theleafsnation.com/2013/7/26/fransontrade Fraser's pretty low priority compared to Franson and Kadri, but really, I don't see how they'll sign both of them unless they both take a discount. This is why you don't sign David Clarkson for 5.25 million or Bozak for 4.2. Since someone decided to bring up Kostka. He signed a two-way contract with Chicago and everybody is looking for the mullah. Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 03:40 Sub40APM wrote:On July 30 2013 03:19 Rudolph wrote:
I'm really looking forward to seeing how the Red Wings compete in the Eastern Conference, but I am disappointed in the Alfredsson pickup. I think they could have definitely gotten a better forward for 5.5M. sorry, ken holland has to hire an elderly swede and overpay him. its part of his contract. How Swede it is! Can anyone name another team with more Swedish players than Detroit?
not based on this list, but Chicago is pretty close. http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/story/2013/07/23/sp-sochi-olympics-sweden-preliminary-hockey-roster.html
i guess if you count their roster pre-FA then they were probably tied with Staalberg there too.
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On July 29 2013 23:45 Flaccid wrote:
I say let all of those players walk and give FRANCHISEBOZAK another raise.
Fraser's gonna be locked in once the arbitration happens, since you can't walk away from a deal under $3m now. I forgot about that!
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Hahaha. Yeah, Stalberg is now in Nashville. >_<
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It never ceases to amaze me how many 2nd and 3rd liners Nashville has haha.
With just one or two legitimate offensive threats, they'd be very scary
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On July 30 2013 03:59 QuanticHawk wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me how many 2nd and 3rd liners Nashville has haha.
With just one or two legitimate offensive threats, they'd be very scary
probably still sore about the Kariya signing and Forsberg trade not working out as well as they would have a couple years earlier.
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I would imagine Radulov is the primary hatred for offense first dudes lol
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On July 30 2013 03:59 QuanticHawk wrote:
With just one or two legitimate offensive threats, they'd be very scary
They're waiting for a 30 goal scorer to marry Taylor Swift.
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Didn't Hornqvist score 30?
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On July 30 2013 04:30 sharkeyanti wrote:
Didn't Hornqvist score 30?
He scored 27 if I recall.
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Jets resign bogosian and wheeler to big deals
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=428541
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=428723
six-year, $33.6 million for wheeler; 7/$36 for bogosian.
Little also got signed for 5/23.5 sometime last week
little is a bit high considering his lack of production the past few years. wheeler is a bit better, but it is still a long term considering his age. bogosian, maybe i just dont see him enough but that struck me as a lot for a dude who doesnt particularly stand out that much. he's certainly good but i dont know
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Wheeler and Little have their moments, but will never be real number one options. Winnipeg might be looking at a situation like STL, where they have a bunch of damn fine 2nd-liners and a good blue line. There blue line was bleh last year, but it has the potential to be solid. Bogosian seems to benefit from being lumped with Pietrangelo and Doughty in that draft class. FWIW Schenn was then 5th pick!
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Bogosian never seems to stand out when I see them play. Which is fine. Lots of dmen get by on that and that means they're just smooth but not stand out. It just seems a bit high for that kind of production. I think he was an rfa too?? Wheeler is a bit better since he is proven to be a top 6 player at worst, low end #1 at best. Term is a bit concerning since I think he is 28 now. he's 33 or so at the end of it. I think he is considerably better than little though.
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Nothing says brilliant management like locking down the 'core' that never actually made it to the playoffs, and most of these guys have been playing for at least 4-5 years by now. but i could see how canada's most dangerous city having a hard time attracting players.
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Possession metrics aren't too high on Bogosian. His main partner this past year was Hainsey, and top linemates at forward are Ladd, Kane, Wheeler, and Little. While defensemen take longer to develop, he's unlikely to be an elite player at this point. His contract is similar to Matt Carle, but he is not on that level. As has been said, he doesn't have much point production either. Winnipeg hasn't been very good, but they also played in a crap division, so it's tough to be optimistic about these contracts.
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