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On June 30 2013 21:29 Prog455 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:00 Jek wrote:On June 30 2013 20:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 20:54 Jek wrote:
Well, he did post it on an public forum (Facebook) and as thus it should be considered an terrorism threat in my opinion since it's what it in fact is. He'll face a trial and if considered innocent he'll be released, to be honest I consider it a win-win situation. If he's considered a public threat he'll be locked away and if he's not he has learned a valuable leason. Are IdrA, Nerchio, Destiny etc terrorists too? Are they threatning the public, with what is in fact an act of terrorism? Being charged is not equal to being a terrorist. Consider saying his statement in public, wouldn't you be concerned? I would. There's a precendence for these kind of statements being written online, Breivik for instance, I'd rather the goverment follow up on these cases and potentially prevent a tragedy than writing all threats off as freedom of speech. This has nothing to do with terrorism, and shoot outs in general should not be confused with terrorism. According to 18 USC § 2331: (5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that— (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; (B) appear to be intended— (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States. While (ii) and (iii) can both be immediately dismissed, as his motives are obviously not political motivated, it is also evident that his motives are no to "intimidate or coerce a civilian population", given the fact that this "threat" was targeted towards a single person. Also i highly doubt that jokes, which it obviously was, is considered an act of terror. Would i be concerned if this was said in public? Yes of course i would. But seeing that this was in fact said during a game of League of Legends, i see no reason for alarm. If every threat that was uttered in an online multiplayer game, every other person who ever touched a video game would have to go to jail.I feel sorry for Justin Carter and i am happy that i am not born in a place where the legal system is such an abomination.
It was written on Facebook, which is a public forum. There is a history of this acts of terrorism being posted on various online forums.
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On June 30 2013 21:25 DannyJ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:23 Musicus wrote:
I know so many people who would've to be arrested for making threats in online games... oh my god only in the US or I guess Texas is it possible. I can't believe it and still kinda think this has to be a joke. He is in jail since february? I am too shocked to express my thoughts. It wasn't in a game, it was on facebook, at least according to most reports.
Ah ok, well threats on the internet then. But quite frankly even if I went to the next school and shouted something like he did write, that sentence wouldn't be justified. Usually the police would arrest you, ask a few questions, see you don't even have weapons and are no threat, warn you and maybe charge you with a fine and that's it. Having to pay 1000 bucks should be enough to make a teenager think twice about making stupid comments like that. Holding him since february... I can't believe it.
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On June 30 2013 21:29 sparC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:26 Jek wrote:
@SparC: Well, if he's proven innocent I wouldn't mind if he charged the lady with public slandering. Again, I think throwing him into a prison (do we know if this is a closed or open prison?) is an overreaction and would rather see him in mental evaluation and in a hospital/being in observation for the time being. They should have been able to reach a conclussion much faster.
@Drunken.Jedi: I doubt he's thrown into a jail where there's a good chance he'll be beaten or raped. First of all, how does one know it's a bad joke? How does you know he does not have a mental disorder, where immediate treatment is a great benefit for him and his surroundings.
To be honest, I don't know how to phrase this without sounding arrogant so please bear with me, I don't think the people in uproar has any idea how it is to have a mental disorder - which this kid might very well have - I have a bipolar disorder which if I forget my meds I have the potential to be a threat to myself and my surroundings, I'm glad to know I have a red mark in my journal which allows the officials to by force, if needed, put me into a hospital. exactly, we should just imprison and double/triple check everyone who only hints the smallest kind of threat no matter in what way. bravo
I wouldn't consider threatning with killing and butchering kids a small kind of threat. It does not take long for a psychiatrist to do an evaluation or for the police to investigate his house, which should have happend swiftly.
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What a great idea to privatize prisons, so they earn money for each and every inmate. Absolutely brilliant.
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The american Justice System never ceases to amuse me. Especially Texas, especially Texas. Seriously what is wrong with you guys? This guy wrote a morbid comment and is being imprisoned because of it xd?
And a prison sentence is probably the best way to find out if he's nuts or not. Oh wait. I would never decide to live in a country that has a joke instead of a proper Justice System. How can americans stand this shit?
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I can't believe the police actually acted on this...then again the same thing happened in this country with the guy who made a joke about blowing up the airport on twitter.
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On June 30 2013 21:33 Banishment wrote:
The american Justice System never ceases to amuse me. Especially Texas, especially Texas. Seriously what is wrong with you guys? This guy wrote a morbid comment and is being imprisoned because of it xd?
And a prison sentence is probably the best way to find out if he's nuts or not. Oh wait. I would never decide to live in a country that has a joke instead of a proper Justice System. How can americans stand this shit?
At this point it is safe to purchase shares of american prison companies, they will never go bankrupt. I guess many other politicians in the USA are already doing this, it would explain many things.
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wow, unbelievably ridiculous
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I cant tell which joke is worse; the one this kid made on facebook, or the fact that he was arrested for it. 
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On June 30 2013 21:26 Jek wrote:
@MasterOfPuppets: How do you KNOW there's nothing in it?
To be honest, I don't know how to phrase this without sounding arrogant so please bear with me, I don't think the people in uproar has any idea how it is to have a mental disorder - which this kid might very well have - I have a bipolar disorder which if I forget my meds and trigger a fully-blown manic period I have the potential to be a threat to myself and my surroundings, I'm glad to know I have a red mark in my journal which allows the officials to by force, if needed, put me into a hospital.
Basically I think this kind of actions should be followed up on immediately, and the investigation should be swift so we don't have innocent people sitting incarcerated for this long.
Listen buddy, I don't know where you live, where you've lived, how you've lived or what you're doing on an online gaming forum while having such little experience with online gaming.
But I can tell you from my long history of multiplayer gaming, and the cumulated knowledge of everything I've seen, heard and experienced, that this isn't out of the ordinary. Hell, with XBox live's CoD and Halo, with League of Legends and other such casual-competitive games, it's even more prevalent now than it used to be. I've seen people rage like hell, and I hold nothing against them, fuck I'm not ashamed to admit that I've raged like hell too, and not only once. But it's ok. It's ok to be upset when someone on your team fucks up, or when you fuck up, or when you lose. It's ok, because it's passing. It's called competitive spirit, and anyone who's ever been competitive in anything, sports, board games, gambling, you name it, any of those people will at least understand the sentiment.
You for some reason, don't seem to. Therein lies the problem...
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Honestly it doesn't really matter wheere he said that. How many times havee you said something you did not even in the slightest bit mean it like that? I mean come on guys. Would you go to jail for saying something along the line like "I kill you!" cause you where joking to your friend and your neighbour heared it in another consense ?? Maybe in Texas you could go to jail.. fucking ridicioulus..
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Apparently the source quoted in the OP didn't state correct facts. He wrote the comments on facebook and not in a LOL game, which changes quite a lot.
Even still, I don't know about criminal law in U.S. when it comes to making threats but at least here in Sweden the context in which a ''threat'' was stated is essential, and considering the "threat" was made in a reply in an apparent sarcastic manner, and that he even typed "lol" and "jk", I can't see how there's even reason to start an investigation, let alone a prosecution. Being in jail for 4 months as a 18 year old without a trial is also a violation of fundamental human rights, but then again it's the U.S. were talking about.
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You know what a reasonable response to this "threat" would be? To have an investigation, which would determine if he was serious or not, which appears to be OBVIOUSLY NOT and let that be that. You have to investigate on the complaint in the context of Newtown, but to charge with a crime and possibly sentence the kid to 8 years? That's horribly unjust.
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On June 30 2013 21:41 PerryHooter wrote:
Apparently the source quoted in the OP didn't state correct facts. He wrote the comments on facebook and not in a LOL game, which changes quite a lot.
Even still, I don't know about criminal law in U.S. when it comes to making threats but at least here in Sweden the context in which a ''threat'' was stated is essential, and considering the "threat" was made in a reply in an apparent sarcastic manner, and that he even typed "lol" and "jk", I can't see how there's even reason to start an investigation, let alone a prosecution. Being in jail for 4 months as a 18 year old without a trial is also a violation of fundamental human rights, but then again it's the U.S. were talking about.
Even then, it's far better and far more reasonable and intelligent to start an investigation before you throw some hapless kid into jail.
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It's one thing to investigate someone for saying something suspicious, there's completely another thing to actually try to jail him for clearly a sarcastic comment with no basis in reality. One can be reasonable the other is absurd.
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The handling of this is absurd.
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I think threats like that should be taken seriously, but eight years of imprisonment is a horrible over-reaction. If he's already been in custody for four months that should be enoguh, especially if he has gone through psychiatric examinations and such (don't know if it has happened but it definitely should).
In general internet threats are often bad jokes by ignorant kids, like in Finland after the two school shootings we had some 13year olds going crazy with writing dumb stuff on school blackboards etc. and some action should be taken. If it was only a horrible joke fining the person should be enough, but they should always be inspected by psychiatrist I think. If there is something wrong in the persons head then therapy etc should do the job, but 8 years in jail wont help anyone in cases like this.
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maybe we can finally get rid of the so called "trolling" which is nothing but an excuse to being a giant asshole to everyone else
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A valuable lesson to all. Don't say stupid shit on the internet. Its a bit unreasonable, but that is not a joke you make. Its sort of like posting "I'm building a bomb" and then just putting "JK, its totally fine". If you live near me, I'm still going to call someone to confirm you are not, in fact, building a bomb.
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On June 30 2013 21:00 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 20:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 20:54 Jek wrote:
Well, he did post it on an public forum (Facebook) and as thus it should be considered an terrorism threat in my opinion since it's what it in fact is. He'll face a trial and if considered innocent he'll be released, to be honest I consider it a win-win situation. If he's considered a public threat he'll be locked away and if he's not he has learned a valuable leason. Are IdrA, Nerchio, Destiny etc terrorists too? Are they threatning the public, with what is in fact an act of terrorism? Being charged is not equal to being a terrorist. Consider saying his statement in public, wouldn't you be concerned? I would. There's a precendence for these kind of statements being written online, Breivik for instance, I'd rather the goverment follow up on these cases and potentially prevent a tragedy than writing all threats off as freedom of speech.
Breivik isn't a "precedent" to some kid making a silly comment on Facebook. Making off-color remarks on Facebook isn't an act of terrorism. Breivik had already been breaking the law for months before releasing his manifesto or whatever, by making explosives on a remote farm, while at the same time taking significant steps to keep his plan a secret. There are zero parallels to Breivik in this case.
Developments like this isn't that many steps away from 1984-style thought police... in which case - USA, it was nice knowing you :\
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